Cider red Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jimmer Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Do one. If you enjoy paying a higher rate of tax than multi millionaires you have made the right choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 No to Labour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Do the Conservatives have a football team then? This is a FOOTBALL forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Do the Conservatives have a football team then? This is a FOOTBALL forum! Actually this is the NON-FOOTBALL forum! And don't vote Conservative; they reduced tax for the rich, forced hundreds of thousands into reliance on food banks and continue to promote the idea of austerity, though now roundly discredited by economists, for purely ideological purposes That said, I'm really not sure any of the others are any better so do what you want! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 VOTE CONSERVATIVE!!!!! THAT IS ALL.. Another turkey voting for Christmas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 It has to be Labour. Another 5 years of Coservatives and the rich will become richer and the working class will become poorer. And you would be prefer it if we all became poorer as long as we were more equal. A 'fairer' society I think you call it on the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke_Gifford_Red Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Vote Conservative for another five years of abject failure. Those millionaires are counting on your support. They are worried that some people may have actually seen through all those inaccurate scare stories and smears in the press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 And you would be prefer it if we all became poorer as long as we were more equal. A 'fairer' society I think you call it on the left. Actually when you ensure more money for the lower paid they spend a much higher proportion of it and the knock on benefits means everyone is better off. This is why when you go to countries with less social divisions, like Holland or Denmark, there is less poverty than in the UK. The "trickle down " theory beloved of conservatives doesn't work. This is called basic economics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Actually this is the NON-FOOTBALL forum! And don't vote Conservative; they reduced tax for the rich, forced hundreds of thousands into reliance on food banks and continue to promote the idea of austerity, though now roundly discredited by economists, for purely ideological purposes That said, I'm really not sure any of the others are any better so do what you want! To be fair to cidered abroad the original thread was posted on the football forum, I moved it to the non football forum. I have now merged in with the longstanding election thread already on here as it wasnt significantly different. Enjoy. It will all be over soon I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jimmer Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 And you would be prefer it if we all became poorer as long as we were more equal. A 'fairer' society I think you call it on the left. Ignoring you now. You are so clueless its unbelievable. Robbo summed it up perfectly though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Miliband seems like a chancer and has bluffed his way where he is now, I wouldn't trust him at all, plus I can't stand Labour's policies. Before Cameron took over, the country was in a complete mess financially and he's slowly brought it back. Cameron has also reduced money for those people on benefits which is 100% right! If you're using the law and are fit to work, ******* work like the rest of us! No to Labour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Ignoring you now. You are so clueless its unbelievable. Robbo summed it up perfectly though. Well if Milliband gets in with SNP support we can have a look at it in 5 years time and see who was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke_Gifford_Red Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Interesting that the latest projections show it as extremely close between Labour and The Conservatives. For example, The Guardian show both parties on 273 seats, Yougov Nowcast shows both parties on 276 seats, Polling Observatory shows Labour on 273 to the Tories 271 and May2015 shows Conservatives on 273 with Labour having 268. In all cases, it is expected that Ed Miliband would be PM as the SNP, PC, SDLP, Respect, the Greens Lady Hermon are "anti-Tory" and would get enough seats to give the left wing a majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Gasbuster Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Interesting that the latest projections show it as extremely close between Labour and The Conservatives. For example, The Guardian show both parties on 273 seats, Yougov Nowcast shows both parties on 276 seats, Polling Observatory shows Labour on 273 to the Tories 271 and May2015 shows Conservatives on 273 with Labour having 268. In all cases, it is expected that Ed Miliband would be PM as the SNP, PC, SDLP, Respect, the Greens Lady Hermon are "anti-Tory" and would get enough seats to give the left wing a majority. Bad enough with Millipede in charge; but God help this country if that ****** Galloway has any say in how this country is run !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 No-one doubts that there are many who are finding it tough Robbo. I should be in theory on my pittance of a pension but I just don't let it get to me. Yet even the IMF, after initially being highly critical, have had to concede that the Tory gov't has done a good job on the economy, and this despite the fact that our major trading partners in Europe have been going through an even worse period. Borrowing will remain high as the debt interest payable on previous borrowing, mainly during the Blair/Brown years , is so high. As for productivity this is destined to remain low. Businesses have no incentive to improve productivity while there is the easy option of employing cheap labour from all over the EU. That was last year Marshy when they compared the UK to a flatlining Eurozone economy, Marshy. The bail-outs of Greece and other southern European economies hit Germany hard because - like than bank bailouts here in 2008-2009 - the expense wasn't expected, billions had to be found at short notice and it knocked Merkel's budgetary plans to cock. It should be noted that a number of eurozone countries still have healthier economies than us and all have a healthier balance of payments than us. In the last three months official stats showed us flatlining and some important sectors of the economy back in recession. I doubt the right-wing Spanish politician who heads the IMF would be so complimentary should his yearly report have fallen now. But behind all the macro-economics above there is the undeniable fact that family incomes are lower in real terms than they were before the world economic crisis. Cameron and Osborne have failed to turn it around for millions of people and millions are having to make what economies and sacrifices they can and work extra hours or take extra jobs to make ends meet. This lack of money in ordinary pockets is seen in low inflation. Consumer demand has fallen. As a pensioner you are lucky enough to have had inflation-linked income, but many millions of Briton have had years of below inflation rises, if indeed they've had any. At the same time the very wealthy have had a tax cut. For this reason. I urge everyone that whoever you vote for, even Ukip. don't vote Tory. The most laughable thing Cameron ever said was."We're all in it together" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 They are all the same. They all promise you everything. What they are really trying to do is get your vote to ensure they are in employment for the next 5 years, looking after number 1. All those ideas on making the country better, more prosperous, better and fairer for all. If those ideas were so great or possible why are they not in place now. Pie in the sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kid in the Riot Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 VOTE CONSERVATIVE FOR PAY-FREEZES FOR NURSES AND TAX-CUTS FOR MILLIONAIRES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Bad enough with Millipede in charge; but God help this country if that ****** Galloway has any say in how this country is run !! He's not even certain to win his seat and there's no need for anyone to invite him into government; no matter how much he'd live to be back in the limelight It's looking possible that Labour will get enough seats to form a government with just the SNP, though I reckon what's more likely is a Lab-Lib Dem minority govt with SNP propping them up in exchange for Miliband agreeing to maintain all the concessions given to Scotland by Cameron (and agreed by all parties to be fair) after the referendum and with them agreeing to maintain there non-voting on English only issues. Can't see the SNP wanting another referendum on independence this soon so the only issue would be Trident which Labour could count on Tory support for the renewal of anyway. What is becoming clear is that another Tory-Lib Dem coalition won't be enough and other than UKIP- who at most are looking at 3-4 seats and probably looking at 1-2- there is no where for them to go in terms of a coalition As much as I share people's nervousness for a Scottish Nationalist influence over the government which is way above their actual vote share, I think they may push Labour a bit to the left and Lib Dem involvement will keep one foot in the centre, leading to broadly socialist policies, but ones that won't bankrupt the country. If it moves away from the thoroughly discredited idea of economic austerity then that's fine in my book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Another turkey voting for Christmas... I hate these one liners. Whats your view? Why shouldn't I vote Conservatives? Look, everyone has a different view and take on the world. Policies that might be an issue for you, may not be an issue for me, so nobody is an idiot, or as you put it "turkey voting for Christmas" at all, unless you're voting for UKIP. I don't care about food banks or people that need to use them, I really don't give a single shite. I don't care about nursing!! Sorry, I don't care that they don't get a wage increase. I got looked after fine a few months ago, so thats all I care about. I feel for them, of course, but its not an issue that "I" care about. I'm not voting for other people, I'm voting for me. So lets be clear, the Conservatives have increased jobs, reduced crime, halved the deficit, and interest rates are the lowest since records began... Now that's what I care about.... So am I turkey voting for Christmas? I am if that means Christmas in a household full of vegetarians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 As it says in my signature just vote people. I am not going to alienate people by discussing my choice, but JUST VOTE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 I hate these one liners. Whats your view? Why shouldn't I vote Conservatives? Look, everyone has a different view and take on the world. Policies that might be an issue for you, may not be an issue for me, so nobody is an idiot, or as you put it "turkey voting for Christmas" at all, unless you're voting for UKIP. I don't care about food banks or people that need to use them, I really don't give a single shite. I don't care about nursing!! Sorry, I don't care that they don't get a wage increase. I got looked after fine a few months ago, so thats all I care about. I feel for them, of course, but its not an issue that "I" care about. I'm not voting for other people, I'm voting for me. So lets be clear, the Conservatives have increased jobs, reduced crime, halved the deficit, and interest rates are the lowest since records began... Now that's what I care about.... So am I turkey voting for Christmas? I am if that means Christmas in a household full of vegetarians Depends how much money you have Badge. Aussie here has said he has lots, lives in a posh area and never uses the NHS (and presumably never will). Under those circumstances, I concede that if you don't give a stuff about anything else, you may not be a turkey voting for Christmas. For those of us in the 40% or 20% tax bands, voting Conservative is a vote for austerity for us, prosperity for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 I've had a last min change of heart. I was going to vote conservative but having read a little about rhe MPs up for election the tory MP just doesn't get what my local area wants or needs. The UKIP candidate does. But I still hope the tories win the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Depends how much money you have Badge. Aussie here has said he has lots, lives in a posh area and never uses the NHS (and presumably never will). Under those circumstances, I concede that if you don't give a stuff about anything else, you may not be a turkey voting for Christmas. For those of us in the 40% or 20% tax bands, voting Conservative is a vote for austerity for us, prosperity for them. I'm not overly wealthy, in fact i sit just under the 40% bracket, but like all of us, I witnessed the devastation of the last Labour government and I do not want to go through that again. What scare me more than Ed Milliband, is Mr Balls!!! I love politics, I study it, but what really gets my goats are people that just shout "you're wrong" without any substance. If you think I'm wrong, or misguided, then explain why, and I might even change my mind. Thats why I love it so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 So lets be clear, the Conservatives have increased jobs, reduced crime, halved the deficit, and interest rates are the lowest since records began... Now that's what I care about.... So to address your economic points: Jobs - an increase, but many are part-time or zero hours jobs. It's a wool-over-the-eyes job from the Tories here. The average wage of new jobs is less under the Tories than it was under Labour. Deficit has decreased because of the reduction in public spending. But the important thing is debt has massively increased. Remember all that stuff from Cameron about "Labour maxed out the national credit card". Well, the Tories have borrowed more than Labour and we now as a nation have debt amounting to 79% of GDP as opposed to 49% of GDP in 2010. Imagine if you owed someone 4/5 of your annual salary. Would you be happy? Crime - was falling under Labour too. It's a long-term trend. Suggestions are the fall may be overstated as people now accept the police don't even bother to investigate much crime, so they don't report it. Interest rates - have had to be low because of poor demand caused by austerity policies hitting people's spending power. Not actually government policy - they want to raise them to 2%, and of course bad news rather than good news for savers. I could add that official interest rates have only a tangential relationship to how much people pay for their mortgages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Do one. If you enjoy paying a higher rate of tax than multi millionaires you have made the right choice. My rate of tax goes up under Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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