Atyeo Stand Proposal (From Monday's Fans Meeting 9/3/15)

[Kid in the Riot]

Narcissism is an inaccurate and inappropriate reply.

 

Maybe I should point out my season ticket is in the Dolman and probably will continue to be. Nevertheless I recognize what the EastEnders started to do with the atmosphere at Ashton Gate, to the benefit of everybody.

 

Exactly. I wonder how many would bother turning up (suits included) if there was next to no singing or atmosphere at AG anymore...

[Hartcliffe red]

This is going to be interesting and i can see a few dismiss it out of hand, but we were asked to go away and think it over..

Atyeo stand Proposal from BCFC which had a lot of input from Steve Cotterill as he does not like the away fans near the tunnel and has asked for a switch round next season, with much of this taken on board from the supporters club and trust survey. Although the following idea was not expected to be offered and surprised a few in the room..

That in mind the club's proposal is to move the current set of fans which is family oriented to another section of the ground (unless those in the Atyeo want to get involved) and then giving the opportunity for former Eastenders (current Williams E&F or whoever is interested in that type of support) to have first dibs in the stand and seeing it will be empty to go and stamp their mark on it.

I know this is no Eastend of a stand but i guess the space is now being offered in the same set up next to away fans and much more room for flags.

If fans take up the offer then and it works out then the chance to stay there and make it more of the fans home could be made more permanent..

The acknowledgement that calling anything a singing section is a no, no, fans offered to make up a name??.. no south stand though that is not going to be a singing section now this idea is offered out, it also was said of concerns about it's rake at the back for standing without rail seating....

The tolerance for standing given in the Atyeo area with unreserved seating/standing offered.

Price of the section in the Atyeo to reflect the current Williams and former Eastend. NOTE: This was not asked for at the meeting...

Room for kids to roam around the front of the stand and a flag box area offered like the EE.

Temp bar offrered and a chance to make the area the fans own,,.

The Dolman was said to be no to tolerance for standing and unreserved seating and not good for the Eastend ethos due to it;s rake etc..

In the near future there will be a Williams stand consultation meeting about relocation.

Plans for season ticket info for next season to be out next Monday..

I know we have had our downside about the Atyeo in the past but this could be the best scenario to get back some of what was once done in the Eastend and for me freedom to move around, i find the Williams stand too claustrophobia..

Well that is what is on offer and the club bods at the meeting said go away and have a chat and think about it..

This is NO Eastend granted but then we have NO Eastend....THOUGHTS?...

A ROUGH IDEA HOW IT COULD WORK as city fans would need to be around the tunnel like Steve cotts would like?

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in fairness its a a bit more than a section in the corner,not far off the ee split,this is a good idea and we can make it work im sure

[exAtyeoMax]

Just a small point, is the rake percentage issue solely to do with standing in designated seating areas or encompassing possible safe standing areas? If it's both how does that affect the plans for safe standing in future?

What's the rake of dortmunds tribune as it looks pretty steep.

I'm sure that the rake percentage is not such a problem when there are rail seat installed as the rails are a lot higher offering more support in front

[Bristol Rob]

ATYEO-

Why don't we put 2 of those circular things in like at Ac/Inter Milan, put some corporate boxes in one, a fan shop at the bottom and with the other one turn it into a hotel, we could then dig out a load of space and drop a curved, canteliver two tiered end, cheaper tickets at the bottom with bench like seating, spilt it in half and put a cage on it.

Very European but it wouldnt restrict light for the houses behind and the area could be made into a fans concourse.

WILLIAMS- why not drop it back further into the car park and move the pitch according, that gives us room to build a bigger stand and more importantly it frees up space for the DOLMAN to be remodelled as the pitch would move towards the Williams.

By my calculations thst be a capacity of 30/32k, secure away areawith a tunnel straight to coaches, police escort, a hotel and some state of the art boxes/tv studios, all from pushi g the Williams back 30 meters.

 

Have you got a time machine so we can go through the planning process, then travel back in time to today so that you can implement your new plan?

[NickJ]

I'm sure that the rake percentage is not such a problem when there are rail seat installed as the rails are a lot higher offering more support in front

 

This rake 23%/27% thing makes me laugh. I've been standing up for 50 years, often in steep places, and think I've become quite good at it, even without a rail.

[Kid in the Riot]

This rake 23%/27% thing makes me laugh. I've been standing up for 50 years, often in steep places, and think I've become quite good at it, even without a rail.

 

It's most probably bollocks. Just got to find the evidence to prove it. 4 degrees over a rake approximately 25 metres deep is going to make such a minimal difference... I was stood on the top tier at MK and that was steep. In excess of 25 degrees I'm sure of it. Reading is similar.

[NickJ]

When you say MK was steep mate did you at any time feel like your legs were about to give way?

[pongo88]

Exactly. I wonder how many would bother turning up (suits included) if there was next to no singing or atmosphere at AG anymore...

The implication from this post is that hardly anyone would go to Ashton Gate if the ex east-end singers weren't there. If that's true, perhaps the club should let them in for free, or even pay them to attend!

 

I'm deliberately being ridiculous with this suggestion to illustrate a point.  There's far too much "we are better than you" comments on the forum (not referring to you Kid).  All fans are important and all fans should accept and respect that different people have different needs.  

[Ashtonboy]

This rake 23%/27% thing makes me laugh. I've been standing up for 50 years, often in steep places, and think I've become quite good at it, even without a rail.

What are you, a hill sheep farmer?

[Mad Cyril]

Exactly. I wonder how many would bother turning up (suits included) if there was next to no singing or atmosphere at AG anymore...

Thats true. I am guessing what, less than a handful of people come to watch the football on a Saturday.

Indeed, sometimes the bloody match distracts me from effing and jeffing at the opposition fans or forgetting which gesticulation to aim at them next. Perhaps the fans group could consider game free match days?

[Bristol Rob]

What are you, a hill sheep farmer?

He's a mountain goat.

[One Team In Keynsham]

IMO the best place for away fans is as far away from the pitch and as high up as is possible.

The less noise from them that reaches the playing area, the better. Enough Premier clubs have realised and implemented this. Everton were doing it twenty five years ago!

At the new Ashton Gate that place is the upper deck of the new Williams.

And leave us with HOME supporters behind both goals. To turn Ashton Gate into Fortress AG.

 

Atop the school book depository on the other side of Greville Smyth works for me.  

[Port Said Red]

it's a little ironic that the threads discussing the clubs intransigence regarding flags, colour, singing sections etc were on the front page for weeks, yet one to discuss a positive move has dropped off the front page in a couple of days..... until now of course.

[Sixtyseconds]

it's a little ironic that the threads discussing the clubs intransigence regarding flags, colour, singing sections etc were on the front page for weeks, yet one to discuss a positive move has dropped off the front page in a couple of days..... until now of course.

Even more ironicer [sic] is that singing and standing and and unreserved seating and pay on the day and flags and all the rest of that is OUT, OUT, OUT unless its where THEY think the little people should go.

Maybe that is why no conductors on Otibs have stood up to conduct a new orchestra.

[Port Said Red]

Even more ironicer [sic] is that singing and standing and and unreserved seating and pay on the day and flags and all the rest of that is OUT, OUT, OUT unless its where THEY think the little people should go.

Maybe that is why no conductors on Otibs have stood up to conduct a new orchestra.

oh is that the spin that is being put on this now? Before it was we want an area where we can do all these things, now that has been offered it's oh but it's the one the club have offered not the one that we thought we would get. WTMS was complaining that it was offered without consultation, does he seriously believe it would have been offered at all without the work that he and other s have done. Those who wanted the area where they can sing and standing is treated fairly should be jumping up and down with joy, not crying into their ciders and complaining about how they have knocked down the east end.

[Sixtyseconds]

oh is that the spin that is being put on this now?

I cant do the maths not enough fingers toes and furniture to work out what % of a % it all is.

But

It wont be making Bristol Proud.

It wont be making football go look at Bristol City fans .. They are the new Sex Pistols.

It might even the Blackthorn terraces Barca smile for a moment.

Not good ..

[RedYoshi]

Even more ironicer [sic] is that singing and standing and and unreserved seating and pay on the day and flags and all the rest of that is OUT, OUT, OUT unless its where THEY think the little people should go.

Maybe that is why no conductors on Otibs have stood up to conduct a new orchestra.

 

I saw someone else mention that too, and it probably should have been my point 5.

 

This is how such logic looks to me:

 

 

Fan 1: "They haven't given us a choice. They won't accept us anywhere other than where they want."

 

Fan 2: "Yeah, and I don't like that area. I won't accept anywhere other than where I want."

 

Fan 1: "Too right!"

 

 

You're holding the club up to standards you yourself are not prepared to meet.

 

A consultation involves people finding a middle ground. The club have made a move which seemed unlikely, suggesting it departs from their initial "ideal". It's in the fans' court now to depart from their "ideal".

 

It's called compromise, as opposed to stamping up and down until you get exactly what you want.

 

I can only see one set of people stamping up and down.

[Port Said Red]

I cant do the maths not enough fingers toes and furniture to work out what % of a % it all is.

But

It wont be making Bristol Proud.

It wont be making football go look at Bristol City fans .. They are the new Sex Pistols.

It might even the Blackthorn terraces Barca smile for a moment.

Not good ..

nope, not a clue what you are talking about, never mind i am sure it is very inciteful.....

[RedRaw]

I cant do the maths not enough fingers toes and furniture to work out what % of a % it all is.

But

It wont be making Bristol Proud.

It wont be making football go look at Bristol City fans .. They are the new Sex Pistols.

It might even the Blackthorn terraces Barca smile for a moment.

Not good ..

Proof that natch at 8.00 in the morning is a bad idea

[Port Said Red]

I saw someone else mention that too, and it probably should have been my point 5.

 

This is how such logic looks to me:

 

 

Fan 1: "They haven't given us a choice. They won't accept us anywhere other than where they want."

 

Fan 2: "Yeah, and I don't like that area. I won't accept anywhere other than where I want."

 

Fan 1: "Too right!"

 

 

You're holding the club up to standards you yourself are not prepared to meet.

 

A consultation involves people finding a middle ground. The club have made a move which seemed unlikely, suggesting it departs from their initial "ideal". It's in the fans' court now to depart from their "ideal".

 

It's called compromise, as opposed to stamping up and down until you get exactly what you want.

 

I can only see one set of people stamping up and down.

I was going to post something along the lines of the bemused look on the face of an angry drunk, who instead of getting a rise out of someone, they get offered a handshake....

[cider head]

It is all being discussed away from a bitch fest. Fans who were at the meeting will sit down today and have a chat over pint about the way forward as talking to various fans some like the idea and some are unsure to some sayIng "no way I am going in the Dolman'. The fans who will have to use such an area need to discuss it which is fair enough. Although if some fans take up the offer then it should not end anything that fans would like to do in say the Dolman as some ideas suggested by wtms.

[Barrs Court Red]

Any danger of a mod cleaning up this thread.

Its a worthy topic in danger of getting derailed.

[Port Said Red]

It is all being discussed away from a bitch fest. Fans who were at the meeting will sit down today and have a chat over pint about the way forward as talking to various fans some like the idea and some are unsure to some sayIng "no way I am going in the Dolman'. The fans who will have to use such an area need to discuss it which is fair enough. Although if some fans take up the offer then it should not end anything that fans would like to do in say the Dolman as some ideas suggested by wtms.

Good to hear, I really hope the talks are positive. I do want our brand new stadium to have an atmosphere that other fans talk about, but can understand that the club need to change to entice all types of supporter. 

[Harry]

Good to hear, I really hope the talks are positive. I do want our brand new stadium to have an atmosphere that other fans talk about, but can understand that the club need to change to entice all types of supporter.

A group of fans gathered this morning to discuss the proposal and we had lots a good discussion and a few challenges/negotiations to respond to the club with.

All of those involved in today's meeting went out and about and chatted to lots of others today too, to get a feel for what others thought/desired.

Plenty of good feedback and some things to go back to the club with.

Suffice to say, this is not all done and dusted just yet. There's one or two things we need clarity on and one or two things we'd still like some negotiation on. But it's looking promising and we'll keep people informed.

It's certainly not everyone's bag but there are lots willing to take this forward.

[Port Said Red]

cheers Harry, thanks for keeping us informed. to paraphrase Half Man Half Biscuit, I hope the light at the end of the tunnel is not from an oncoming train.

[James]

Did I read somewhere that Season Ticket information would be released at some point today, or did I Imagine that?

[cider head]

A group of fans gathered this morning to discuss the proposal and we had lots a good discussion and a few challenges/negotiations to respond to the club with.

All of those involved in today's meeting went out and about and chatted to lots of others today too, to get a feel for what others thought/desired.

Plenty of good feedback and some things to go back to the club with.

Suffice to say, this is not all done and dusted just yet. There's one or two things we need clarity on and one or two things we'd still like some negotiation on. But it's looking promising and we'll keep people informed.

It's certainly not everyone's bag but there are lots willing to take this forward.

 

This is my feelings also, as you say a few small things to iron out but the feedback was promising...

 

Ok this is my thoughts on this..

I don't like the Williams section (it just has not worked out to what was intended) and a few have moved out or like the bar,, yes things have moved away from what was intended, reason being you can't swing a cat in there and no room to do anything like what fans did in the EE,, things like flags on poles, flags on walls and segregation the freedom to move around, kids to wander around the front and the main reason people are going in to the legends bar and staying in the is due to the stand being too claustrophobic.

The dolman this season some have gone over there and are hanging flags over the side but that won't last as that is just while the building work is going on.

The Dolman will be 0 tolerance to standing and not unreserved which means if your sat in the middle row wanting piss then you annoy everyone when moving out your seat. The south stand is going to mixed up with kids one corner and corporate mixed in with other stands refugees who i can tell you they won't get on with each other.

That leaves this Atyeo space of unreserved seating and being allowed to stand with space for flags that alone sways me main reason is freedom of movement and not claustrophobic, pretty much offering what the Eastend had or the nearest thing to it

FOR LIKE MINDED FANS.

A bar would be good but i'd still use the pubs if i really had to.

Every one i spoke to all day / night Saturday said it was a good idea and the best solution (surpised me how many liked the idea) and said why are people against it? i can't see the problem etc.

I like the idea due to a blank canvas and freedom of movement, high side walls and back walls for flags and use for flags on the segregation, i don't see them being very cooperative in the A-B blocks of the Dolman, under the concourse they could well be up for doing a bar and parts of that area for art etc, i just don't like the i dea of sitting there in the stand reserved, that don't mean others should not push for the Dolman it's just not an appeal for me or even the south stand untill any safe standing is sorted out.

I think this Ateyo idea has legs due to what your allowed to do in the stand (at least for a season)

main seller is unreserved and much more room to move around, standing allowed and vast room  to be more visual with flags..

More fine details but for me it appeals

[Port Said Red]

This is my feelings also, as you say a few small things to iron out but the feedback was promising...

 

Ok this is my thoughts on this..

I don't like the Williams section (it just has not worked out to what was intended) and a few have moved out or like the bar,, yes things have moved away from what was intended, reason being you can't swing a cat in there and no room to do anything like what fans did in the EE,, things like flags on poles, flags on walls and segregation the freedom to move around, kids to wander around the front and the main reason people are going in to the legends bar and staying in the is due to the stand being too claustrophobic.

The dolman this season some have gone over there and are hanging flags over the side but that won't last as that is just while the building work is going on.

The Dolman will be 0 tolerance to standing and not unreserved which means if your sat in the middle row wanting piss then you annoy everyone when moving out your seat. The south stand is going to mixed up with kids one corner and corporate mixed in with other stands refugees who i can tell you they won't get on with each other.

That leaves this Atyeo space of unreserved seating and being allowed to stand with space for flags that alone sways me main reason is freedom of movement and not claustrophobic, pretty much offering what the Eastend had or the nearest thing to it

FOR LIKE MINDED FANS.

A bar would be good but i'd still use the pubs if i really had to.

Every one i spoke to all day / night Saturday said it was a good idea and the best solution (surpised me how many liked the idea) and said why are people against it? i can't see the problem etc.

I like the idea due to a blank canvas and freedom of movement, high side walls and back walls for flags and use for flags on the segregation, i don't see them being very cooperative in the A-B blocks of the Dolman, under the concourse they could well be up for doing a bar and parts of that area for art etc, i just don't like the i dea of sitting there in the stand reserved, that don't mean others should not push for the Dolman it's just not an appeal for me or even the south stand untill any safe standing is sorted out.

I think this Ateyo idea has legs due to what your allowed to do in the stand (at least for a season)

main seller is unreserved and much more room to move around, standing allowed and vast room  to be more visual with flags..

More fine details but for me it appeals

Outbreak of positivity among a what has been a pretty disgruntled bunch? I am not being facetious, I genuinely feel a sense of relief that this whole issue may be resolving itself. What I hope long term is that the new area will be a success, will prove that the fans there can be trusted to act sensibly whilst still enjoying themselves and that the club/BS will see and understand why they are a positive part of our fan base.

[exAtyeoMax]

This is my feelings also, as you say a few small things to iron out but the feedback was promising...

 

Ok this is my thoughts on this..

I don't like the Williams section (it just has not worked out to what was intended) and a few have moved out or like the bar,, yes things have moved away from what was intended, reason being you can't swing a cat in there and no room to do anything like what fans did in the EE,, things like flags on poles, flags on walls and segregation the freedom to move around, kids to wander around the front and the main reason people are going in to the legends bar and staying in the is due to the stand being too claustrophobic.

The dolman this season some have gone over there and are hanging flags over the side but that won't last as that is just while the building work is going on.

The Dolman will be 0 tolerance to standing and not unreserved which means if your sat in the middle row wanting piss then you annoy everyone when moving out your seat. The south stand is going to mixed up with kids one corner and corporate mixed in with other stands refugees who i can tell you they won't get on with each other.

That leaves this Atyeo space of unreserved seating and being allowed to stand with space for flags that alone sways me main reason is freedom of movement and not claustrophobic, pretty much offering what the Eastend had or the nearest thing to it

FOR LIKE MINDED FANS.

A bar would be good but i'd still use the pubs if i really had to.

Every one i spoke to all day / night Saturday said it was a good idea and the best solution (surpised me how many liked the idea) and said why are people against it? i can't see the problem etc.

I like the idea due to a blank canvas and freedom of movement, high side walls and back walls for flags and use for flags on the segregation, i don't see them being very cooperative in the A-B blocks of the Dolman, under the concourse they could well be up for doing a bar and parts of that area for art etc, i just don't like the i dea of sitting there in the stand reserved, that don't mean others should not push for the Dolman it's just not an appeal for me or even the south stand untill any safe standing is sorted out.

I think this Ateyo idea has legs due to what your allowed to do in the stand (at least for a season)

main seller is unreserved and much more room to move around, standing allowed and vast room  to be more visual with flags..

More fine details but for me it appeals

what do you mean by that?

[cider head]

what do you mean by that?

 

corporate?

 

It has been said that many of the corporate side of the club will be moved temp in to the corner of the south stand/williams next season while the new stand is being built, therefore they may not like too much cider swilling next to them.

 

That goes for the other corner kids, community trust, i think the meaning is trying not to annoy each other too much..