Tinmans Love Child Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 What I d o know is the home fans in the atyeo are pretty much un-audible at that end, due to the massive gap next to them, from an atmosphere point of view it's killed it to be honest, would be much better swapping home and away fans over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamsober Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 The catylist of 1000 or so in there at the moment. Look at he Homesdale at palace, once they were allowed to create something more people wanted to get involved. It's genuinely impressive although not quite my cup of tea.I was in the at Atyeo since it opened( shows my age!) and the only time I heard the EE is when you had at least 1/2 of that stand. I am now in the south stand and unless you manage to get at least half the fans in the stand making noise you will not be heard in the south stand although may be heard in blocks a b c and d of the dolman and the players in your half of course which is what its all about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Swapping the sides around would improve the atmosphere. Anybody against that? That is this season dealt with. Next season? Anybody got a better, practical idea that would not require upheaval and a U turn on things such as rakes of stands? Doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 I was in the at Atyeo since it opened( shows my age!) and the only time I heard the EE is when you had at least 1/2 of that stand. I am now in the south stand and unless you manage to get at least half the fans in the stand making noise you will not be heard in the south stand although may be heard in blocks a b c and d of the dolman and the players in your half of course which is what its all about!Good point, I've never been an EastEnd or Atyeo season ticket holder just recognise their importance. The atmosphere enhances the match day experience for myself and many others so I believe strongly that all that can be done to create a home should be done. Acoustics are an issue and I agree, I'm in the south stand end of the dolman and seldom hear the Atyeo. Hopefully when the Williams is up this will improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamsober Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Good point, I've never been an EastEnd or Atyeo season ticket holder just recognise their importance. The atmosphere enhances the match day experience for myself and many others so I believe strongly that all that can be done to create a home should be done. Acoustics are an issue and I agree, I'm in the south stand end of the dolman and seldom hear the Atyeo. Hopefully when the Williams is up this will improve.agree with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 I agree with cider head about having a sports bar in the Atyeo, we could call it Big John's bar. When is this swapping over likely to happen? To me it seems like they are trying to rush it through without any consultation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmycolour Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 What I d o know is the home fans in the atyeo are pretty much un-audible at that end, due to the massive gap next to them, from an atmosphere point of view it's killed it to be honest, would be much better swapping home and away fans over.totally agree with you.against MK Dons atmosphere was very quiet.no wonder there playing the way they are. Let's start tomorrow night get behind the lads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Probably should keep it how it is this season with both away/home fans . But as long as behaviour etc is kept up. Otherwise club will not have an option and there hand will be forced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 It has nothing to do with inside fans behaviour but more to do with a few lack of extra's which has been noted by SAG (which i won't go in to) and home and away fans leaving together in what is see as a bottle neck corner, This would not be the club's doing but more the concerns of SAG, The Saftey Advisory Group and Police reassessing the situation.What is the key now is fans, club and this SAG can get together and work out a decent solution to appease everyone concerned and to carry on what the lads in the Atyeo are trying to do for their football club. I don't see any other solutions to be fair that would appease 90% if not all concerned,, fine i will work with anyone to sort it out and pretty much up for swapping sides but let's get this right and involve the fans moving forward doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Good point, I've never been an EastEnd or Atyeo season ticket holder just recognise their importance. The atmosphere enhances the match day experience for myself and many others so I believe strongly that all that can be done to create a home should be done. Acoustics are an issue and I agree, I'm in the south stand end of the dolman and seldom hear the Atyeo. Hopefully when the Williams is up this will improve.I sat at the Atyeo end of Dolman v Reading and all I could hear was Reading fans, I could see the flags waving but couldn't hear anything, and that was before we let one in. It was the same v Leeds when I sat in the SS although when we equalised the whole ground was loud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 If fan trouble keeps happening it will cement the decision to give away fans Atyeo next season. I know Atyeo fans want to stay there and are pushing for away fans to be somewhere else but why would the club do that when fans can't be trusted. FYI away fans in Atyeo next season is the only choice for me anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 If fan trouble keeps happening it will cement the decision to give away fans Atyeo next season. I know Atyeo fans want to stay there and are pushing for away fans to be somewhere else but why would the club do that when fans can't be trusted. FYI away fans in Atyeo next season is the only choice for me anyway Can the away fans be trusted? Again it has nothing to do with fan behaviour but concerns of lack of resourses noted dealing with it if something did happen in a enclosed bottled neck area outside the ground.I have been to a recent meeting and sat there and listened to the concerns (from the horses mouth who i won't name) they are not fan behaviour related more a resourses problem.I really don't want to say what they mean by resourses unless a member of the club and trust board would like to comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Can the away fans be trusted? Again it has nothing to do with fan behaviour but concerns of lack of resourses noted dealing with it if something did happen in a enclosed bottled neck area outside the ground.I have been to a recent meeting and sat there and listened to the concerns (from the horses mouth who i won't name) they are not fran behaviour related more a resourses problem.I really don't want to say what they mean by resourses unless a member of the club and trust board would like to comment.Why the secrecy ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Why the secrecy ?Because i'm not sure it's my place really to release fully what i have heard and been told until we know what the club stance will be but i'm a little peeved that fans get the blame all the time for this type of thing.For sure SAG are not happy with how things are configured in the Atyeo and they dish out the stadium certificatesThe club and trust are working on getting this out in to the public domain fully soon, but it's coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Because i'm not sure it's my place really to release fully what i have heard and been told until we know what the club stance will be but i'm a little peeved that fans get the blame all the time for this type of thing.For sure SAG are not happy with how things are configured in the Atyeo and they dish out the stadium certificatesThe club and trust are working on getting this out in to the public domain fully soon, but it's coming.There's definitely issues on away fans leaving stadium, as Mk dons had no more than 400 fans and there were scuffles leaving stadium also seen scuffles with reading fans. Not sure this is all down to Atyeo layout but not sure its helping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Why can't we go back to the SS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Why can't we go back to the SS?I thought it was basically that people wanted to stand and sing and the rake n the SS was too steep to be safe, therefore people would be required to sit and this was never going to be adhered to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 If fan trouble keeps happening it will cement the decision to give away fans Atyeo next season. I know Atyeo fans want to stay there and are pushing for away fans to be somewhere else but why would the club do that when fans can't be trusted. FYI away fans in Atyeo next season is the only choice for me anyway what a 4K capacity stand for away fans that will usually bring 1-2k max? If were relegated halve that! Where do our vocal support go then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 I thought it was basically that people wanted to stand and sing and the rake n the SS was too steep to be safe, therefore people would be required to sit and this was never going to be adhered to?Cynically I don't think the idea of vocal singing , standing and shouting fans in the shiny new stand was popular amongst certain people in the club/bs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Cynically I don't think the idea of vocal singing , standing and shouting fans in the shiny new stand was popular amongst certain people in the club/bs.This season, yes I agree with you. But when they all relocate back to their rebuild Williams, I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 what a 4K capacity stand for away fans that will usually bring 1-2k max? If were relegated halve that! Where do our vocal support go then?Take a look at the away support stats for last season in the Championship, there's a fair chance the minimum away support will be at least 2000 every game, with a lot of clubs bringing a lot more depending on the game. With a 27k stadium there are 23k seats for home fans to fill, why would you restrict the amount of away fans? http://72andbelow.co.uk/sky-bet-championship-average-away-support-league-201415/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Take a look at the away support stats for last season in the Championship, there's a fair chance the minimum away support will be at least 2000 every game, with a lot of clubs bringing a lot more depending on the game. With a 27k stadium there are 23k seats for home fans to fill, why would you restrict the amount of away fans? http://72andbelow.co.uk/sky-bet-championship-average-away-support-league-201415/ Averages are skewed by a bottleneck of teams in the north/Midlands etc. Also the median figure there is 1200 with only 4 teams breaching 2000 so no; there isn't.Teams bring less to us as we're fairly remote in comparison to lots of northern/Midlands sides that there's a lot of. There's simply not the requirement for 4K away seats.Where do our singers go then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 How about put singers in the Dolman block A, or along the front of Dolman? A better question is where do you put the away fans if not the Atyeo and without completely screwing up the beatifically created open concourse underneath the stands?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 There's definitely issues on away fans leaving stadium, as Mk dons had no more than 400 fans and there were scuffles leaving stadium also seen scuffles with reading fans. Not sure this is all down to Atyeo layout but not sure its helping. first game of the season as home fans and away left together behind the ateyo I said this will get messy. Wait til Cardiff at home or if we drew Swindon or God forbid millwall or the gas in the cup ... Warzone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 How about put singers in the Dolman block A, or along the front of Dolman? A better question is where do you put the away fans if not the Atyeo and without completely screwing up the beatifically created open concourse underneath the stands??This is my concern too, the only place I could think would be the first couple of blocks of the Dolman, but then you have to do something about the concourse given its whole idea was to connect the 3 home stands, and if you do its more likely to inconvenience more people than benefit those who wish to be in the Atyeo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Averages are skewed by a bottleneck of teams in the north/Midlands etc. Also the median figure there is 1200 with only 4 teams breaching 2000 so no; there isn't.Teams bring less to us as we're fairly remote in comparison to lots of northern/Midlands sides that there's a lot of. There's simply not the requirement for 4K away seats.Where do our singers go then?you can use stats to support any argument, another question, why not give a possible 4K away fan capacity when we wont even fill out remaining 23K tickets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 you can use stats to support any argument, another question, why not give a possible 4K away fan capacity when we wont even fill out remaining 23K tickets?But you said "there's a fair chance teams will bring a minimum of 2k every game" using a link which was simply incorrect! Hence why I picked you up on it.Because there's no need to, if teams are going to bring between 1-2.5k in this league then give them that. There's a reason why clubs like Reading no longer give out 4K capacity, it gives the opposition a HUGE advantage if they have a massive bank of support. The only team I know of that gives essentially an unlimited allocation is MK Dons which is bizarre; why give the opposition an advantage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Given there's no tunnel for the Atyeo next season is there really an issue internally within the stand which set of fans go which side? Could there be a way of clubs predicting early how many fans they would be likely to bring and then giving a majority of the Atyeo to away fans with a small section of a vocal home support? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC&T Board Members Blagdon red Posted October 15, 2015 SC&T Board Members Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 I think this idea has a lot of merit and I hope that BS will certainly consider it as they ponder where to house the away fans / City 'singing section' for next season and beyond.It seems to have several benefits:- It keeps the away fans and what the police might term the home 'risk' fans away from each other as they exit the ground, which is apparently a concern at present- It keeps the away fans in a largely self-contained area (for all but the very occasional FA Cup match with a large following, when the West Stand upper might be used as overflow), which will again keep the police and SAG happy- If a way can be found to allow home Atyeo fans to access the Dolman concourse, it also completes the 'horseshoe' and makes all concourse facilities under the Dolman, South and West Stands available to ALL City fans, which must surely be better than these being available to only 90% of City fans- If a pub-like supporters bar can be created under the Atyeo, it provides a further option for City fans to socialise pre- and post-match in an environment that many might find more welcoming than the gltzy South Stand sports bar and from BS's point of view makes better commercial use of that space than using it as groundsman's storage, as currently plannedAll in all, I think the idea is certainly worth serious consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTMS Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 How about put singers in the Dolman block A, or along the front of Dolman? Moving City fans across the Atyeo / using a couple of the lower sections is easily achievable, and would not necessitate moving a significant number of fans, which is what would have to occur for the above to be considered, along with the Club - Bristol Sport dropping their zero standing policy in the Upper Dolman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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