Aizoon Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 12 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: parasite gravy train riding human rights lawyers and the UK's strict observance of the human rights act, even when the rulings for the few put the many in danger for a liberal ideal, that's why. Interesting choice of words there. I would suggest that it's the interpretation of the HRA that is the problem. It seems to give no weight to the human rights of those who are not terrorists and other criminals, but who are put at risk by allowing such people into, or to stay in, this country. If the HRA doesn't allow for this, then it should be amended forthwith, but I suspect that a well-motivated judge would have no problem making such a ruling with the Act as it stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 12 minutes ago, Aizoon said: Interesting choice of words there. I would suggest that it's the interpretation of the HRA that is the problem. It seems to give no weight to the human rights of those who are not terrorists and other criminals, but who are put at risk by allowing such people into, or to stay in, this country. If the HRA doesn't allow for this, then it should be amended forthwith, but I suspect that a well-motivated judge would have no problem making such a ruling with the Act as it stands. Britain does not ignore HRA rulings that doesn't square with the national interest, virtually every other country does, it's very much like EU laws Britain adheres to the laws it signed up for bit most other member countries ignore what does not suit them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Just now, Esmond Million's Bung said: Britain does not ignore HRA rulings that doesn't square with the national interest, virtually every other country does, it's very much like EU laws Britain adheres to the laws it signed up for bit most other member countries ignore what does suit them. A visiting French driver on the Talyllyn Railway brought a bottle of wine on to the footplate and was told in no uncertain terms that it was against EU regulations. "EU regulations? You don't take any notice of those, do you? We don't." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 1 hour ago, Fordy62 said: The most inappropriate, insensitive and ill thought comment many of us have ever read on here. So I should apologise for my opinions,as big tone said we are all allowed them 1 hour ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: and ignorant ill informed unnecessary attacks on the French police. Ignorant and ill informed attacks on the French police,totally the opposite you will find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 12 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: Ignorant and ill informed attacks on the French police,totally the opposite you will find No mate you were talking right out of your arse. of course I am willing to listen to your explanation of how in the biggest city in Europe that is in chaos and lock down, you believe logistically that they could have mobilised elite firearms teams, arm them, kit them up, secure a perimeter, formulate plans and execute those plans in less than hour, bringing all of your military experience to bear of course?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/world-europe-34822666 Not one of France`s better weekends with this happening as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 2 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/world-europe-34822666 Not one of France`s better weekends with this happening as well. On the bright side U2 have cancelled their Paris gigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Just been released that one of the suicide bombers had a ticket for last nights France v Germany game and tried to gain entry 15 minutes into the game and detonated when security guards frisked him and realised that had he a suicide vest under his coat, last night could have been a hell of of lot worse. On a personal note a British acquaintance of mine, her brother was shot twice at the Bataclan siege but has mercifully survived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 1 minute ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Just been released that one of the suicide bombers had a ticket for last nights France v Germany game and tried to gain entry 15 minutes into the game and detonated when security guards frisked him and realised that had he a suicide vest under his coat, last night could have been a hell of of lot worse. On a personal note a British acquaintance of mine, her brother was shot twice at the Bataclan siege but has mercifully survived. Wow. Scary stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 2 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Just been released that one of the suicide bombers had a ticket for last nights France v Germany game and tried to gain entry 15 minutes into the game and detonated when security guards frisked him and realised that had he a suicide vest under his coat, last night could have been a hell of of lot worse. On a personal note a British acquaintance of mine, her brother was shot twice at the Bataclan siege but has mercifully survived. Jesus. Doesn`t bear thinking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 2 hours ago, The Gasbuster said: So, one of the eight attackers has now been identified as a Syrian refugee who came through Greece in October. Well, well, well. Who would have thought that then ?! Well done Frau Merkel !! Time for you to resign. Sorry? 8 out of how many? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 3 hours ago, Aizoon said: I've never understood how someone can claim to be a citizen of the "Islamic State" and then return to their host country and claim citizenship there... Don't mean to make light of the situation but probably in the same way a Man Utd fan can go home to Japan. Anyway, was at our local Cafe / Bar this morning and the atmosphere was surprisingly upbeat albeit sad as well. I think most here are now of the opinion that the SYNT's should just be obliterated off the face of the earth. My opinion is that IS have now pissed off the West and Russia and will now reap their just rewards. I certainly hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 2 minutes ago, BigTone said: Don't mean to make light of the situation but probably in the same way a Man Utd fan can go home to Japan. Eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 6 hours ago, Red-Robbo said: Not sure why you'd bother to carry a passport on you if you were carrying out a suicide attack? Didn't the same happen re 9/11... supposably.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 1 hour ago, Portland Bill said: Didn't the same happen re 9/11... supposably.... similar to leaving a business card but sick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 1 hour ago, AshtonGreat said: Eh? sorry but posted before I finished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 1 minute ago, BigTone said: sorry but posted before I finished Haha no worries. It strikes me as being the equivalent of letting Ian Brady back into society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 1 hour ago, AshtonGreat said: Haha no worries. It strikes me as being the equivalent of letting Ian Brady back into society exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 2 hours ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: No mate you were talking right out of your arse. of course I am willing to listen to your explanation of how in the biggest city in Europe that is in chaos and lock down, you believe logistically that they could have mobilised elite firearms teams, arm them, kit them up, secure a perimeter, formulate plans and execute those plans in less than hour, bringing all of your military experience to bear of course?. I know for a fact(and no I won't be naming sources)that had it happened in London that we would of had as you put it kitted up and secured a perimeter,within 30 minutes,this happened in Paris,what were they playing at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moloch Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 16 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: I know for a fact(and no I won't be naming sources)that had it happened in London that we would of had as you put it kitted up and secured a perimeter,within 30 minutes,this happened in Paris,what were they playing at Have a quiet word with yourself, fella. If this happened in London, the results would be horribly similar. Our armed forces are amongst the best in the world but they would struggle to get into central London in 30 mins, let alone set up a perimeter. Your comments appear to be extremely disrespectful of the French police and the emergency responders who attended the disaster. That is why you are getting angry responses. If you are in the forces you will know that bragging about what you can do and talking down the other guy usually ends badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howey_ducky Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 5 minutes ago, Moloch said: Have a quiet word with yourself, fella. If this happened in London, the results would be horribly similar. Our armed forces are amongst the best in the world but they would struggle to get into central London in 30 mins, let alone set up a perimeter. Your comments appear to be extremely disrespectful of the French police and the emergency responders who attended the disaster. That is why you are getting angry responses. If you are in the forces you will know that bragging about what you can do and talking down the other guy usually ends badly. I agree with most of what you say but we do have a quick dispatch unit based in central London solely for this type of issue. Although JJTs comments were out of order and poorly conceived last night, he does have a point that in this country the reaction would probably have been quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 21 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said: I expect Corbin is dancing in the street This comment was not your opinion but a awful attempt at humour! Just apologise and stop hiding behind Everyone is entitled to an opinion. You were just trying to get more likes. # embarrassing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 1 hour ago, Portland Bill said: Didn't the same happen re 9/11... supposably.... But they may have had to take their passports for ID at the airport? Best I can suggest... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 48 minutes ago, howey_ducky said: I agree with most of what you say but we do have a quick dispatch unit based in central London solely for this type of issue. Although JJTs comments were out of order and poorly conceived last night, he does have a point that in this country the reaction would probably have been quicker. Sorry that is just not the case, he has no point whatsoever, There is no way given the magnitude of last nights events, that even the Met and their quick dispatch unit could have gotten firearms teams to multiple locations + the extra specialist equipment and comms and a team large enough to storm a full 1,500 seat music venue within quicker than 1 hour it is logistically impossible and utter nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 The country needs solidarity now as well not idiotic far right groups like Front National storming vigils in Lille. Pathetic, embarrassing behaviour as per...and exactly what IS want. Utter simpletons. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-attack-far-right-protesters-who-stormed-silent-vigil-chased-away-by-attendees-shouting-go-away-a6734686.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moloch Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 44 minutes ago, howey_ducky said: I agree with most of what you say but we do have a quick dispatch unit based in central London solely for this type of issue. Although JJTs comments were out of order and poorly conceived last night, he does have a point that in this country the reaction would probably have been quicker. Do you mean the Joint Rapid Reaction Force based in Northwood? The JRRF is ready to move at 48 hours notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 My guess is that the MET would have had about 60 armed officers on last night. They'd have called a rendez-vous point and had a briefing. There's no way units would have been sent straight to that concert. And that's forgetting about the other two incidents taking place at the same time. Under an hour? Wouldn't have thought so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 I worked for several years in the Middle East, living amongst muslims from various countries and sometimes socialising with them. I must say that, with only a few, rare exceptions, I found them (the ones with whom I worked and/or socialised) to be some of the warmest and kindest people I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. Don't make the mistake of generalising and judging last night's atrocities as being typical of muslims and tar all muslims with the same brush: whilst the culprits were undoubtedly muslim, it was the work of extremists. If any of you have ever read any parts of the Koran, then you will understand that Islam does not support or condone such evil deeds. Of course there are some awful, even barbaric elements in the Koran, much like the Old Testament, but the general message is one of peace. Whilst, unfortunately, I consider it unlikely there will be mass protest marches undertaken by the muslim community in Paris or elsewhere in France in condemnation of last night's events, certain notable muslims have already spoken out against against the atrocities and, of course, most muslims are as shocked and horrified as anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howey_ducky Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 1 hour ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Sorry that is just not the case, he has no point whatsoever, There is no way given the magnitude of last nights events, that even the Met and their quick dispatch unit could have gotten firearms teams to multiple locations + the extra specialist equipment and comms and a team large enough to storm a full 1,500 seat music venue within quicker than 1 hour it is logistically impossible and utter nonsense. It has nothing to do with the Met. It is certainly not "utter nonsense". And let's all hope the country never has to go through the type of attack that happened in Paris last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howey_ducky Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 1 hour ago, Moloch said: Do you mean the Joint Rapid Reaction Force based in Northwood? The JRRF is ready to move at 48 hours notice. No, I didn't mean them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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