Moloch Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 3 minutes ago, howey_ducky said: No, I didn't mean them. Well, who then? Not the Met and not the JRRF...68 Signal Unit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 2 hours ago, Red-Robbo said: But they may have had to take their passports for ID at the airport? Best I can suggest... You may well be correct. But I didn't think you had to show passports for internal USA flights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howey_ducky Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Blue peter badge holders. Singing christmas songs..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITYAREREDANDWHITE Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Another bomb scare this evening, caused an execution of a metro station and a very large hotel, went on for about one hour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 30 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: You may well be correct. But I didn't think you had to show passports for internal USA flights? As a Johnny Foreigner it's the easiest type of photo ID they accept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moloch Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 1 hour ago, howey_ducky said: Blue peter badge holders. Singing christmas songs..... Did you read about the reaction force somewhere? I'm not sure it was really Blue Peter badge holders as they are currently deployed in the Falklands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howey_ducky Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 38 minutes ago, Moloch said: Did you read about the reaction force somewhere? I'm not sure it was really Blue Peter badge holders as they are currently deployed in the Falklands. They took a little bit longer than they should have to react to anaya's squibble back then. We're a little better (and closer) equipped these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 I find it interesting that many people will berate religion and then say 'Let's pray for Paris'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 So the first terrorist has been identified as a French citizen not a "Syrian refugee". How unlike the Daily Mail to create a screaming headline that is proved wrong almost immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 10 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said: I worked for several years in the Middle East, living amongst muslims from various countries and sometimes socialising with them. I must say that, with only a few, rare exceptions, I found them (the ones with whom I worked and/or socialised) to be some of the warmest and kindest people I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. Don't make the mistake of generalising and judging last night's atrocities as being typical of muslims and tar all muslims with the same brush: whilst the culprits were undoubtedly muslim, it was the work of extremists. If any of you have ever read any parts of the Koran, then you will understand that Islam does not support or condone such evil deeds. Of course there are some awful, even barbaric elements in the Koran, much like the Old Testament, but the general message is one of peace. Whilst, unfortunately, I consider it unlikely there will be mass protest marches undertaken by the muslim community in Paris or elsewhere in France in condemnation of last night's events, certain notable muslims have already spoken out against against the atrocities and, of course, most muslims are as shocked and horrified as anybody. excellent post Sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 As I said in a previous post it is difficult to defend against these type of attacks when the threat is already within your country. See below: One of the seven gunmen who killed 129 people in near-simultaneous attacks in Paris has been identified by French investigators. He was named as Omar Ismail Mostefai, a 29-year-old French citizen of Algerian origin, who had a criminal record and was known to have been radicalised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 9 hours ago, Portland Bill said: You may well be correct. But I didn't think you had to show passports for internal USA flights? Perhaps you do if you're `staff` i.e. the pilot which they were. Airport security wouldn`t know every employee of every airline any more than every employee could have an airside security pass for every airport that they`re likely to visit. We`ll never really know as the last thing anyone`s going to do is tell us all about airport security! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 23 minutes ago, BigTone said: As I said in a previous post it is difficult to defend against these type of attacks when the threat is already within your country. See below: One of the seven gunmen who killed 129 people in near-simultaneous attacks in Paris has been identified by French investigators. He was named as Omar Ismail Mostefai, a 29-year-old French citizen of Algerian origin, who had a criminal record and was known to have been radicalised. Was known to have been radicalised. No. Shit. Sherlock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 20 hours ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Because it's reported and not confirmed, just like the "I am Syrian" statement. The only people that would gain from such an agenda are Isis and ultra right wing parties. of course they might also be true. Seems like you're right on this one Es. Reading this morning that the Syrian passports are fake, most likely made in Turkey. Therefore the conclusion has to be they carried them to create fear towards the refugees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 1 hour ago, Port Said Red said: So the first terrorist has been identified as a French citizen not a "Syrian refugee". How unlike the Daily Mail to create a screaming headline that is proved wrong almost immediately. Erm, the source claiming that TWO of the eight were false refugees was the Greek Interior Ministry, (and that claim has not been retracted) How do we know that some cells haven't got through, and are now waiting for orders ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 4 minutes ago, Selred said: Seems like you're right on this one Es. Reading this morning that the Syrian passports are fake, most likely made in Turkey. Therefore the conclusion has to be they carried them to create fear towards the refugees. That would seem plausible. It was the Greek Interior Ministry who stated two refugees had got through Greece. As you say, it could have been that the passports were falsified to create fear and division. The Greeks should be able to confirm this, surely ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 2 minutes ago, The Gasbuster said: Erm, the source claiming that TWO of the eight were false refugees was the Greek Interior Ministry, (and that claim has not been retracted), is that not a reliable enough source for you ? As for your earlier comment about it "being only a few in how many thousands", are only a few not enough ? How do you know more cells haven't got through, and are now waiting for orders ? So you are suggesting that thousands and thousands of entirely innocent people should be forced to remain in areas under I.S. control because a very ttiny number of terrorists have managed to get into the country with them. I am more concerned as to how these people were able to access guns and explosives, because I am pretty sure they weren't able to get them across the borders themselves. The people that are the danger are the ones that must have helped them once they entered France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 1 minute ago, Port Said Red said: So you are suggesting that thousands and thousands of entirely innocent people should be forced to remain in areas under I.S. control because a very ttiny number of terrorists have managed to get into the country with them. I am more concerned as to how these people were able to access guns and explosives, because I am pretty sure they weren't able to get them across the borders themselves. The people that are the danger are the ones that must have helped them once they entered France. I have edited my post. Apologies to yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 1 minute ago, Port Said Red said: So you are suggesting that thousands and thousands of entirely innocent people should be forced to remain in areas under I.S. control because a very ttiny number of terrorists have managed to get into the country with them. I am more concerned as to how these people were able to access guns and explosives, because I am pretty sure they weren't able to get them across the borders themselves. The people that are the danger are the ones that must have helped them once they entered France. No not at all. I am just concerned about the shambolic way the refugees have been processed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 This thread is going to descend into petty squabbling soon, it shouldn't be allowed to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 2 minutes ago, The Gasbuster said: No not at all. I am just concerned about the shambolic way the refugees have been processed. Fair enough, but hopefully you can see my point about the enemy within? Also to blame Merkel when the refugees have been processed in numerous countries on their journey seems strangely specific. If she had insisted that only the German Security forces were to be involved in the processing of all refugees at all points then that would make sense. But if they had done, I am sure the outcry would have been huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 20 minutes ago, richwwtk said: This thread is going to descend into petty squabbling soon, it shouldn't be allowed to happen. Fair comment . I won't add anything more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Programme for the West: 1. Stop arming the Islamists. 2. Join the Russians in bombing the shit out of ISIS, Al-Qaeda and anyone else who wants to play 3. Help Russia sort out a solution in Syria, probably including the removal of Assad Simples. Well, it's not, but you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 12 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said: I worked for several years in the Middle East, living amongst muslims from various countries and sometimes socialising with them. I must say that, with only a few, rare exceptions, I found them (the ones with whom I worked and/or socialised) to be some of the warmest and kindest people I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. Don't make the mistake of generalising and judging last night's atrocities as being typical of muslims and tar all muslims with the same brush: whilst the culprits were undoubtedly muslim, it was the work of extremists. If any of you have ever read any parts of the Koran, then you will understand that Islam does not support or condone such evil deeds. Of course there are some awful, even barbaric elements in the Koran, much like the Old Testament, but the general message is one of peace. Whilst, unfortunately, I consider it unlikely there will be mass protest marches undertaken by the muslim community in Paris or elsewhere in France in condemnation of last night's events, certain notable muslims have already spoken out against against the atrocities and, of course, most muslims are as shocked and horrified as anybody. I agree with this with one caveat, it's about time that the law of the land is applied in the UK and to rigorously and without 'fear or favour' prosecute anybody involved in public displays that are so inflammatory as to fan the flames go bigotry, whatever side of the political, religious or ethnic spectrum that they come from, we should not have to tolerate that behaviour and nobody should be above the law of the land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 4 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: I agree with this with one caveat, it's about time that the law of the land is applied in the UK and to rigorously and without 'fear or favour' prosecute anybody involved in public displays that are so inflammatory as to fan the flames go bigotry, whatever side of the political, religious or ethnic spectrum that they come from, we should not have to tolerate that behaviour and nobody should be above the law of the land. Agreed. The law should apply to everyone equally and there should be no `preferential treatment` for anyone. The punishment should be the same whether you burn a poppy or a copy of the Koran with the intent to offend and inflame hatred. If you stand up in public and advocate the killing of the followers of another religion it should not matter whether you are referring to Muslims or Christians or anyone else for that matter. Unfortunately due to the cowardice and lack of moral fibre of those in power in this country, in many cases, we appear to be a long way from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 3 hours ago, Red Right Hand said: Perhaps you do if you're `staff` i.e. the pilot which they were. Airport security wouldn`t know every employee of every airline any more than every employee could have an airside security pass for every airport that they`re likely to visit. We`ll never really know as the last thing anyone`s going to do is tell us all about airport security! Did they not become 'the pilot' mid flight? Anyway, it doesn't really matter now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 1 hour ago, Aizoon said: Programme for the West: 1. Stop arming the Islamists. 2. Join the Russians in bombing the shit out of ISIS, Al-Qaeda and anyone else who wants to play 3. Help Russia sort out a solution in Syria, probably including the removal of Assad Simples. Well, it's not, but you know what I mean. Agree, No.3 is being used as a side show, achieve No.2 and sort Assad out at a later date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Some of the personal stories coming out of these tragic events go to show how tenuous life can sometimes be. People who didn’t originally plan to go to those areas and are now tragically dead. One French girl in one of the targeted restaurants who survived because she argued with her boyfriend and went inside of the restaurant to settle the bill early (both survived by the way). A British man who lives and works in Paris, out celebrating a friends birthday and turned up at restaurant late and in were inside trying to obtain a table when the attack started. A woman who met an old boyfriend for the first time in years, she survived and he is dead. and then the other side of the coin an American eye witness in the Bataclan theatre claiming that the terrorists deliberately targeted the wheelchair bound who were in an area set aside for wheelchairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 41 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: Part of me wants to say bomb them back to the stone age and accept the unavoidable civilian casualties but I just can`t bring myself to believe that`s the right thing to do. I`m glad I don`t have to make these decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted November 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 21 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: Part of me wants to say bomb them back to the stone age and accept the unavoidable civilian casualties but I just can`t bring myself to believe that`s the right thing to do. I`m glad I don`t have to make these decisions. They're already in the stone age. All it would do is waste some very expensive weaponry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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