Paris attacks news coverage (MERGED)

[Lanterne Rouge]

3 hours ago, The Batman said:

They're already in the stone age. All it would do is waste some very expensive weaponry.

I think the general view is that they`re living in the 14th century when beheading and stoning to death was an acceptable punishment.

[Tre Bong]

18 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

I worked for several years in the Middle East, living amongst muslims from various countries and sometimes socialising with them.

I must say that, with only a few, rare exceptions, I found them (the ones with whom I worked and/or socialised) to be some of the warmest and kindest people I have ever had the pleasure of meeting.

Don't make the mistake of generalising and judging last night's atrocities as being typical of muslims and tar all muslims with the same brush: whilst the culprits were undoubtedly muslim, it was the work of extremists.

If any of you have ever read any parts of the Koran, then you will understand that Islam does not support or condone such evil deeds. Of course there are some awful, even barbaric elements in the Koran, much like the Old Testament, but the general message is one of peace.

Whilst, unfortunately, I consider it unlikely there will be mass protest marches undertaken by the muslim community in Paris or elsewhere in France in condemnation of last night's events, certain notable muslims have already spoken out against against the atrocities and, of course, most muslims are as shocked and horrified as anybody.      

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/14/exclusive-as-paris-burned-uk-islamists-told-muslims-to-struggle-for-islamic-state-in-unprecedented-islamic-show-of-force/

[howey_ducky]

It's now getting to the stage where Muslims need to stand up and rat out the small minority of idiots who cause these issues.  If the peaceful majority of Muslims  in Europe don't step up to the plate and help weedle out the lunatics then unfortunately they will all have to be targeted.  

I'm not xenophobic.  I just want to live my life without the threat of myself or my family being killed for not being a muslim.  

[Aizoon]

5 minutes ago, howey_ducky said:

It's now getting to the stage where Muslims need to stand up and rat out the small minority of idiots who cause these issues.  If the peaceful majority of Muslims  in Europe don't step up to the plate and help weedle out the lunatics then unfortunately they will all have to be targeted.  

I'm not xenophobic.  I just want to live my life without the threat of myself or my family being killed for not being a muslim.  

Or, indeed, the wrong kind of Muslim. ISIS has murdered over 100,000 Muslims in the last few years.

[howey_ducky]

1 minute ago, Aizoon said:

Or, indeed, the wrong kind of Muslim. ISIS has murdered over 100,000 Muslims in the last few years.

Very true.  It smacks of "if your face fits".  

 

[PHILINFRANCE]

27 minutes ago, Tre Bong said:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/14/exclusive-as-paris-burned-uk-islamists-told-muslims-to-struggle-for-islamic-state-in-unprecedented-islamic-show-of-force/

You have provided the link, but have omitted to add any comment, hence I am not sure whether you are seeking to reinforce my point that these Islamist extremists do not represent Islam and nor do they speak for the vast majority of muslims, but are simply radical (even comical, if it wasn't so serious), or whether you are trying, in some puerile way, to demonstrate that there are extremists in England as well as France.

 

[Tre Bong]

Last night I listened to LBC radio, it was a show for muslims to call in a give their thoughts on the event's in Paris, much to his surprise (but not mine) there was a massive lack of comdemnation from muslim caller's.

"Judging from the calls tonight it would appear that to be a good muslim you must support violence" 

[richwwtk]

Who cares if it is? This forum is not the place for it

[chipdawg]

I really don't think that's appropriate on this, or any other forum Big Brother. If my loved ones had died there I'd be very upset about some random posting photos of their corpses on the Internet. I appreciate its probably in the public domain elsewhere, but that doesn't mean you should propagate it

[Moloch]

1 hour ago, Tre Bong said:

Last night I listened to LBC radio, it was a show for muslims to call in a give their thoughts on the event's in Paris, much to his surprise (but not mine) there was a massive lack of comdemnation from muslim caller's.

"Judging from the calls tonight it would appear that to be a good muslim you must support violence" 

Was there really a show for "muslims to give their thoughts on Paris"?

Or was it just a phone in?

Who are you quoting with the last line?

This is from a phone in following the Charlie Hebdo shootings. Still relevant.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/james-obriens-masterclass-on-how-to-deal-with-people-who-blame-muslims-for-paris-attack-102995

 

[PHILINFRANCE]

2 hours ago, Tre Bong said:

Last night I listened to LBC radio, it was a show for muslims to call in a give their thoughts on the event's in Paris, much to his surprise (but not mine) there was a massive lack of comdemnation from muslim caller's.

"Judging from the calls tonight it would appear that to be a good muslim you must support violence" 

Have you ever listened to Geoff Twentyman's 'phone-in on Radio Bristol on a Saturday evening at the end of the City and Rovers games? 

I didn't listen to the LBC radio broadcast, but I suspect the quality, intelligence (and credibility) of the callers was similar.

Out of curiosity, did any of the Bedford or Luton callers - both well known liberal areas - mention their numerous divorces, the death of their dogs or even having had to live through the Thatcher years? 

[AshtonGreat]

France just hit back

[Lanterne Rouge]

8 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said:

France just hit back

Seem to be. They`ve just bombed Raqqa and sounds like they`ve taken out some key targets.

 

Allez France.

[Frenchay Red]

1 hour ago, AshtonGreat said:

France just hit back

Only 20 bombs reported. 

Something on the scale of Dresden might be more appropriate?

[Son of Fred]

4 hours ago, Tre Bong said:

Last night I listened to LBC radio, it was a show for muslims to call in a give their thoughts on the event's in Paris, much to his surprise (but not mine) there was a massive lack of comdemnation from muslim caller's.

"Judging from the calls tonight it would appear that to be a good muslim you must support violence" 

Its a popular opinion that Muslim leaders/communities must do so much more.we must stand together and be strong..if cold blooded murderers do not represent Islam then the Muslim community have to let the barriers down for all our sakes.

[Northern Red]

2 hours ago, Red Right Hand said:

Seem to be. They`ve just bombed Raqqa and sounds like they`ve taken out some key targets.

 

Allez France.

We're not to think of this as revenge or carpet bombing according to Sky News.

[Northern Red]

Meanwhile, French paper Le Parisien is suggesting that the concert venue and band were not random targets. Turns out that the venue is owned by a big mate of Sarkozy and had previously been threatened because it held events for Jewish organisations as well as two gala dinners for the Israeli border police (the Magav).
They say the band had attracted criticism for its gigs in Israel and the rightwing Republican views of its co-founder Jesse Hughes, and also that the gig's promoter is a well-known Jewish showbiz character in Paris.

Apparently, the nature of the music was also a factor: Parisian Arabs don't do rock music, so they knew they wouldn't be killing their own. The paper carries the testimony of one survivor whose friend, about to be executed as they made their way through the hall, was spared because the assassins took his tanned skin to be a sign of Arab blood. The quick-thinking kid stuttered 'yes, I'm one of yours' - and so they shot the bloke next to him instead.

[chipdawg]

9 hours ago, Frenchay Red said:

Only 20 bombs reported. 

Something on the scale of Dresden might be more appropriate?

Yep, we should replicate the bombing of Dresden where 25,000 civilians were killed, creating countless more individuals with a reason to despise the west and proving the IS rhetoric regarding the liberal western powers being at war with Islam correct

I'm all for bombing the living **** out of any ISIS facility, camp or convoy that can be found, but all carpet bombing the towns they control is make them appear to be right in everything they say about us

[AshtonGreat]

1 hour ago, chipdawg said:

Yep, we should replicate the bombing of Dresden where 25,000 civilians were killed, creating countless more individuals with a reason to despise the west and proving the IS rhetoric regarding the liberal western powers being at war with Islam correct

I'm all for bombing the living **** out of any ISIS facility, camp or convoy that can be found, but all carpet bombing the towns they control is make them appear to be right in everything they say about us

It's more of an observation than an opinion, but the Germans are now good friends with us, and the Japanese are friends with the US (kind of). 

[phantom]

12 hours ago, AshtonGreat said:

France just hit back

Shame it took an attack in their country to get them to take these targets out !

['Orns]

Way too much to read all the comments

If someone else has already asked this then I apologise.....what is the answer to all of this, without using the phrases:

1. Ban religion
2. Bomb the ******s off the face of the earth

1 I could live with, but it's as impossible as 2

Eventually it's going to come to the UK again, and from all the comments I've seen on various social media over the weekend I get the feeling it's people like us that are going to end up taking revenge / retaliation into our own hands as no one feels that the various governments are doing the correct thing to keep our families safe. That scares the shit out of me. My 12 year old was just off to bed on Friday night when the reports came through, so we switched over to Sky News and watched the latest reports, she just sat there open mouthed at what was going on, asked some really relevant questions that I just couldn't answer, or she looked at me like I was telling lies:

Why do they hate us?
Why are they killing innocent people?
Why France?
Are they going to come here and get us?
What happens if something happens to you / me and we're not together?

So, you're in charge, how the **** do you sort this out?

[chipdawg]

13 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said:

It's more of an observation than an opinion, but the Germans are now good friends with us, and the Japanese are friends with the US (kind of). 

Dresden was in what became East Germany and they definitely weren't our friends for a long time. But that's not the point and I appreciate you probably didn't mean it literally. I'm all for bombing IS targets to degrade their military capability, but that's all it will do, it won't defeat them. If we're not going to put troops on the ground (and I don't think for a second we should) then the primary way that we, the western powers, can defeat them is by denigrating their support. All that kind of action does is reinforce their 'war on Islam' rhetoric and strengthens them in Syria & Iraq, as well as abroad 

This whole terrible affair has made me think a lot more deeply about this world or ours in 2015 and I can confirm that is deeply depressing thing to do. I think everyone has their theories about how to deal with the threat that ISIS and similar groups pose to people both at home and abroad, but I don't think it's yet appropriate to start politicising what happened in Paris (or Beirut the day before for that matter). I think solidarity with the French and Lebanese people is all we should be striving for today

[TRUEBRIT66]

I felt this was worth posting as comparisons have been made to Nazi Germany in this thread, its the first time its hit me how bad this situation has become....

 The author of this is Dr. Emanuel Tanya, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist--a man, whose family was German aristocracy prior too World War II, and owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.

'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of our world had come.

My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.'

We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.

The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual, prior to World War II, was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians, most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.

And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt. Yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.

Islamic prayers have now been introduced into Toronto and other public schools in Ontario, and, yes, in Ottawa too while the Lord's Prayer was removed (due to being so offensive?! To whom? Not to the vast majority of Canadians!).

The Islamic way is only peaceful until the fanatics move in.

In Australia, and indeed in many countries around the world, many of the most commonly consumed food items have the halal emblem on them. Just look at the back of some of the most popular chocolate bars, and at other food products in your local supermarket. Foods on aircraft have the halal emblem, just to appease the privileged minority who are now rapidly expanding throughout the world.

In the U.K, the Muslim communities refuse to integrate and there are now dozens of ?no-go? zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon. Sharia law prevails there, because the Muslim community in those areas refuses to acknowledge British law.

As for we who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts -- the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

[Portland Bill]

21 hours ago, The Batman said:

They're already in the stone age. All it would do is waste some very expensive weaponry.

Unfortunately they also have some expensive weaponry,it more than likely used to be ours!

[Kid in the Riot]

32 minutes ago, Woodsy said:

Way too much to read all the comments

If someone else has already asked this then I apologise.....what is the answer to all of this, without using the phrases:

1. Ban religion
2. Bomb the ******s off the face of the earth

1 I could live with, but it's as impossible as 2

Eventually it's going to come to the UK again, and from all the comments I've seen on various social media over the weekend I get the feeling it's people like us that are going to end up taking revenge / retaliation into our own hands as no one feels that the various governments are doing the correct thing to keep our families safe. That scares the shit out of me. My 12 year old was just off to bed on Friday night when the reports came through, so we switched over to Sky News and watched the latest reports, she just sat there open mouthed at what was going on, asked some really relevant questions that I just couldn't answer, or she looked at me like I was telling lies:

Why do they hate us?
Why are they killing innocent people?
Why France?
Are they going to come here and get us?
What happens if something happens to you / me and we're not together?

So, you're in charge, how the **** do you sort this out?

I don't think we know a lot of the answers to those questions, as this excelelnt article illustrates: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2015/aug/13/mystery-isis/

 

[chipdawg]

11 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

I felt this was worth posting as comparisons have been made to Nazi Germany in this thread, its the first time its hit me how bad this situation has become....

 The author of this is Dr. Emanuel Tanya, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist--a man, whose family was German aristocracy prior too World War II, and owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.

'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of our world had come.

My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.'

We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.

The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual, prior to World War II, was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians, most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.

And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt. Yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.

Islamic prayers have now been introduced into Toronto and other public schools in Ontario, and, yes, in Ottawa too while the Lord's Prayer was removed (due to being so offensive?! To whom? Not to the vast majority of Canadians!).

The Islamic way is only peaceful until the fanatics move in.

In Australia, and indeed in many countries around the world, many of the most commonly consumed food items have the halal emblem on them. Just look at the back of some of the most popular chocolate bars, and at other food products in your local supermarket. Foods on aircraft have the halal emblem, just to appease the privileged minority who are now rapidly expanding throughout the world.

In the U.K, the Muslim communities refuse to integrate and there are now dozens of ?no-go? zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon. Sharia law prevails there, because the Muslim community in those areas refuses to acknowledge British law.

As for we who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts -- the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

https://www.truthorfiction.com/tanay-merek-german-islam/

Dr Emmanuel Tanay is neither a German aristocrat, nor the author of those words 

This article has further detail of Dr Tanay http://honeymoonover.blogspot.co.uk/2009/09/viral-claptrap-germans-view-on-islam.html?m=1 

Obviously someone wrote those words and you are welcome to believe them, but I think it's unfair top it words into the mouth of a man who is not around to dispute them

[TRUEBRIT66]

3 minutes ago, chipdawg said:

https://www.truthorfiction.com/tanay-merek-german-islam/

Dr Emmanuel Tanay is neither a German aristocrat, nor the author of those words

This article has further detail of Dr Tanay http://honeymoonover.blogspot.co.uk/2009/09/viral-claptrap-germans-view-on-islam.html?m=1

Obviously someone wrote those words and you are welcome to believe them, but I think it's unfair top it words into the mouth of a man who is not around to dispute them

Christ !!!

OK youve done a google search and found it may or may not have been Dr Tanya who wrote it, regardless its a very well written and relevant piece.   

[chipdawg]

2 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

Christ !!!

OK youve done a google search and found it may or may not have been Dr Tanya who wrote it, regardless its a very well written and relevant piece.   

Your right; it took a 10 second Google search to find out that what you'd posted was (at least partly) false. I'd seen this days ago on Twitter and had already noted it was wrong and I think it's crass in the extreme to be putting words into the mouth of a dead holocaust survivor. I'm not suggesting you're culpable for that btw as You didn't write the words. As I said though, you're fully entitled to agree with the words written, but I'm also entitled to point out that it's to all intents and purposes, political propaganda

[Esmond Million's Bung]

As predicted the French are carrying out raids all over France, expect this to be a daily event for the foreseeable future.

 

[Barrs Court Red]

ISIS are on the retreat on major fronts in Syria.

This time next year the "Islamic State" will no longer exist, as it will have been crushed by a whole range of forces. If it wasn't for the bravery of the YPG and the defence of Kobane, forcing mission creep of Coalition bombing, I think ISIS would now control the whole of the Turkish border region, and be all but impossible.

This is the time we face the most deadly of backlashes, desperate attempts to knock coalition partners out of the fight. The job must be finished, but how do we rebuild Syria to stop the bombed out ruins of its towns becoming terrorist breeding grounds?