REDOXO Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Bloke from Essex on Twentyman..... Quote....Burnley 'Chief Scout' stated "that its not Bristol City aren't paying the wages, Baker is on a Kings Randsom, it's players for some reason don't want to com here" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Just now, REDOXO said: Bloke from Essex on Twentyman..... Quote....Burnley 'Chief Scout' stated "that its not Bristol City aren't paying the wages, Baker is on a Kings Randsom, it's players for some reason don't want to com here" Exactly what we have been told on this forum by the likes of Harry and KITR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Steve Cotterill is the reason. Players don't like him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 How does the Burnley chief scout know what Baker is on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted December 5, 2015 Author Share Posted December 5, 2015 Who knows....I suppose Burnley were interested in Baker!! But he has a a good idea of Grey, Perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted December 5, 2015 Author Share Posted December 5, 2015 2 minutes ago, Bs4Red said: Steve Cotterill is the reason. Players don't like him Mmmm I'm starting to wonder! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 2 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: How does the Burnley chief scout know what Baker is on? Maybe they wanted to sign him but didn't think he was worth it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco Rojo Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 5 minutes ago, Bs4Red said: Steve Cotterill is the reason. Players don't like him How do you know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 2 minutes ago, Bs4Red said: Steve Cotterill is the reason. Players don't like him That's nonsense. The reason better quality players like Andre Grey didn't sign was because City, unlike Burnley are not (yet) an established Championship club. Newly promoted clubs find it difficult to attract players that are better quality than the ones they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Just now, Loco Rojo said: How do you know this? It's been murmured from inside the club, previous players and clubs have had the same problem. Cotts transfer record at this level is abysmal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 1 minute ago, Robbored said: That's nonsense. The reason better quality players like Andre Grey didn't sign was because City, unlike Burnley are not (yet) an established Championship club. Newly promoted clubs find it difficult to attract players that are better quality than the ones they have. I never mentioned Gray. What about all the players we should have got who went other clubs and were easily accessible from smaller clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted December 5, 2015 Author Share Posted December 5, 2015 1 minute ago, Robbored said: The reason better quality players like Andre Grey didn't sign was because City, unlike Burnley are not (yet) an established Championship club. Newly promoted clubs find it difficult to attract players that are better quality than the ones they have. You are right Robbo...........But the relentless horse shit on here about what we are not prepared to pay, just gets up my nose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Total nonsense,if he ever got a job at a prem club(which he won't obviously but play along)do you really think players would sign for Champ clubs because they"don't like him",it's money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 3 minutes ago, REDOXO said: You are right Robbo...........But the relentless horse shit on here about what we are not prepared to pay, just gets up my nose! Shut up you muppet. Nobody has said about prices. It's about the bloke himself. Players I know and things I've read from previous players that he isn't popular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted December 5, 2015 Author Share Posted December 5, 2015 shut up you muppet.:laugh:....****! Not on this thread on this forum since August!...God! Muppet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 I'm in agreement with Louis Carey who thinks that SOD if given more time would have built a true philosophy. I think sacking him was the wrong decision and to sack Cotts without giving him January to make amends for this summer would also be a mistake. Cotts needs to change his transfer approach but I will say if he continues to aim for players like Gayle and Gray then he might have to go. I think some people on this thread are desperate for their self-fulfilling prophecies to come true. Many are desperate for change in the hope all the problems leave when the manager does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 2 minutes ago, Bs4Red said: Shut up you muppet. Nobody has said about prices. It's about the bloke himself. Players I know and things I've read from previous players that he isn't popular Calm down sweetheart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_eastender Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 I'm thinking the problem is Cotts reputation more then what we are willing to pay in wages... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 16 minutes ago, Bs4Red said: Steve Cotterill is the reason. Players don't like him Correct! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 3 minutes ago, Shtanley said: I'm in agreement with Louis Carey who thinks that SOD if given more time would have built a true philosophy. I think sacking him was the wrong decision and to sack Cotts without giving him January to make amends for this summer would also be a mistake. Cotts needs to change his transfer approach but I will say if he continues to aim for players like Gayle and Gray then he might have to go. I think some people on this thread are desperate for their self-fulfilling prophecies to come true. Many are desperate for change in the hope all the problems leave when the manager does. I agree that we should have kept SOD and we have spoke about this previously but I can't agree that he should have January. What if he has another summer window this time? We are down. Do you honestly think he can SIGN PERMANENTLY players who are good enough. He said "we won't sign anyone who won't enhance the squad" you're telling me Kodjia is the only player in world football good enough to enhance our squad on a permanent deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 3 minutes ago, Shtanley said: I'm in agreement with Louis Carey who thinks that SOD if given more time would have built a true philosophy. I think sacking him was the wrong decision and to sack Cotts without giving him January to make amends for this summer would also be a mistake. Cotts needs to change his transfer approach but I will say if he continues to aim for players like Gayle and Gray then he might have to go. I think some people on this thread are desperate for their self-fulfilling prophecies to come true. Many are desperate for change in the hope all the problems leave when the manager does. Wasn't building a true philosophy Rodgers kept banging on about at Liverpool,manager talk for I'm struggling but don't want the sack,agree with everything else tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 25 minutes ago, Bs4Red said: Steve Cotterill is the reason. Players don't like him Correct - but the SC disciples won't have it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 6 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: Wasn't building a true philosophy Rodgers kept banging on about at Liverpool,manager talk for I'm struggling but don't want the sack,agree with everything else tho Well his philosophy got them 1 game away from the premier league title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 30 minutes ago, Bs4Red said: Steve Cotterill is the reason. Players don't like him http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/want-City-boss-ndash-Fielding/story-27992913-detail/story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 2 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Correct - but the SC disciples won't have it Perhaps because it's nothing more than unsubstantiated bollocks from posters who clearly don't like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 did anyone hear SC talking about someone "Allison" missed the first bit but said something like "don't bother calling me with info again". Was basically the opening gambit to the interview - very odd. Anyone catch/understand the context? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 1 minute ago, Phileas Fogg said: did anyone hear SC talking about someone "Allison" missed the first bit but said something like "don't bother calling me with info again". Was basically the opening bandit to the interview - very odd. Anyone catch/understand the context? He's a referee - not sure whether he might have a liaison role or we had him earlier in season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 17 minutes ago, Shtanley said: 17 minutes ago, Shtanley said: I'm in agreement with Louis Carey who thinks that SOD if given more time would have built a true philosophy. I think sacking him was the wrong decision and to sack Cotts without giving him January to make amends for this summer would also be a mistake. Cotts needs to change his transfer approach but I will say if he continues to aim for players like Gayle and Gray then he might have to go. I think some people on this thread are desperate for their self-fulfilling prophecies to come true. Many are desperate for change in the hope all the problems leave when the manager does. Built a true philosophy from the 4th division? Great idea Louis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 8 minutes ago, Bs4Red said: I agree that we should have kept SOD and we have spoke about this previously but I can't agree that he should have January. What if he has another summer window this time? We are down. Do you honestly think he can SIGN PERMANENTLY players who are good enough. He said "we won't sign anyone who won't enhance the squad" you're telling me Kodjia is the only player in world football good enough to enhance our squad on a permanent deal? We aren't down. Yes. No of course not that would be a ridiculous thing to think. Just because he didn't sign people doesn't mean he didn't try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 1 minute ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Built a true philosophy from the 4th division? Great idea Louis. We wouldn't have been relegated for certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 3 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Perhaps because it's nothing more than unsubstantiated bollocks from posters who clearly don't like him. And you know otherwise ???? So youre 'unsubstantiated bollocks' is correct you believe ? you keep believing ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokey Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 3 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: did anyone hear SC talking about someone "Allison" missed the first bit but said something like "don't bother calling me with info again". Was basically the opening bandit to the interview - very odd. Anyone catch/understand the context? Dave Allison, in charge of match officials for the football league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 1 minute ago, Shtanley said: We aren't down. Yes. No of course not that would be a ridiculous thing to think. Just because he didn't sign people doesn't mean he didn't try That's my point, how could he have possibly only signed one player? ONE. Out of the 100 of possible players we could have got. If we theoretically had a different manager would he have attracted players? I believe so. We were such an attractive prospect at the start of the season. Champions, 99 points, new stadium, nice place to live, tight knit squad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said: And you know otherwise ???? So youre 'unsubstantiated bollocks' is correct you believe ? you keep believing ........... I will thanks Bob, and you keep stirring....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 if any of you genuinely genuinely believe that we are paying Baker £40k a week then it supports a lot of people's theories on here that our fans seems more deluded than the average fan. This is all based on a guy who supposedly met Burnleys chief scout before we played them (why would their chief scout be at their own away game for one?) in the back of a cab. Would take the "players don't like Cotts" statement with an enormous pinch of salt. if no one liked him how did we near enough hand pick the best players in the same league as us last year to join us without hesitation? funny how all these 'stories' come out the woodwork after a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 6 minutes ago, nebristolred said: http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/want-City-boss-ndash-Fielding/story-27992913-detail/story.html Just because this group of lads seem to like him(imagine his style gets old real quick when you're losing) doesn't mean he wasn't an ass to players at previous clubs. His damage could already be done and a reputation established. Not saying any of it is true but if he isn't liked, that damage would've been done long before he got here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 3 minutes ago, Shtanley said: We wouldn't have been relegated for certain. That's your opinion, I'm convinced we would have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 1 minute ago, petehinton said: if any of you genuinely genuinely believe that we are paying Baker £40k a week then it supports a lot of people's theories on here that our fans seems more deluded than the average fan. This is all based on a guy who supposedly met Burnleys chief scout before we played them (why would their chief scout be at their own away game for one?) in the back of a cab. Would take the "players don't like Cotts" statement with an enormous pinch of salt. if no one liked him how did we near enough hand pick the best players in the same league as us last year to join us without hesitation? funny how all these 'stories' come out the woodwork after a loss. In defence of the caller, he did say it was the total package. Just done some quick maths that could be way off. Is there a chance Baker is on 20k and the loan fee is 1m? Not totally unrealistic figures but would be surprised if we are paying that. Usually with loans we'd only pay a % of the wage, would the Burnley guy be privy to that? I doubt it.. Sounded very high to me personally, but after doing those sums for a premier league defender if we were absolutely desperate it's not completely bonkers that those are the figures.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 I think the players here are behind SC but also that potential transfer targets are put off by him and that I can well understand listening to his bullshit interviews. he is either trying to shield the players (noble but time to stop that as it's not working) or watch the same game as everyone else and not the one he dreams of the night before the match where we play great and just get beaten by a worse team every week..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Ain't it funny, players don't like Cotts even though he's managed to sign plenty of players (plenty of in-demand players at that); he's had players follow him from previous clubs; he's had staff follow him through clubs; he's been employed a number of times; we had a fantastic team spirit last year and integrated a young squad well and a number of players have renewed their contracts since being here. Sorry, it seems a nonsense to me. We had our big club syndrome again heading into this season - history repeating itself - and we've now had a wake up call. Thankfully we're in a very recoverable position if Cotts approaches this January window as he did the first: get the players in who will do a job and get us safe. No vanity needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 28 minutes ago, Shtanley said: Well his philosophy got them 1 game away from the premier league title. Think that was more to do with Dracula rather than his philosophy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 20 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: I will thanks Bob, and you keep stirring....... Stirring. :laugh: !!! Did you learn that word in class ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 22 minutes ago, petehinton said: if any of you genuinely genuinely believe that we are paying Baker £40k a week then it supports a lot of people's theories on here that our fans seems more deluded than the average fan. This is all based on a guy who supposedly met Burnleys chief scout before we played them (why would their chief scout be at their own away game for one?) in the back of a cab. Would take the "players don't like Cotts" statement with an enormous pinch of salt. if no one liked him how did we near enough hand pick the best players in the same league as us last year to join us without hesitation? funny how all these 'stories' come out the woodwork after a loss. You need to listen better It was the FULHAM game , not our game with Burnley So having rubbished what he had to said on basis of facts ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall King Blox Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 I sooooooo love this forum, talk about the rats jumping ship when it's still sailing, i call this a blimp,time to relax guys ffs....but i might be wrong...just enjoy the ride boys n girls, it's what supporting a club is all about, win every game we would be top of the prem, but sadly life aint like that....it's our club, and i for one love it, keep the faith xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 16 minutes ago, Kingswood mask said: I sooooooo love this forum, talk about the rats jumping ship when it's still sailing, i call this a blimp,time to relax guys ffs....but i might be wrong...just enjoy the ride boys n girls, it's what supporting a club is all about, win every game we would be top of the prem, but sadly life aint like that....it's our club, and i for one love it, keep the faith xxx I support them every new match. I support them during the match. I think it's ok for people to vent their frustrations here though. Doesn't mean they're jumping ship. Just frustrated with how it's going. It's how I feel anyway. We've been poor but I'll be there in 2 weeks yelling support and applauding them. And if they're poor, I'll have my rants and do it all again on Boxing Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 42 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Stirring. !!! Did you learn that word in class ??? Mmm........ yes, of course I did Bob - were you the one in the dunce's hat in the corner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted December 5, 2015 Author Share Posted December 5, 2015 57 minutes ago, petehinton said: if any of you genuinely genuinely believe that we are paying Baker £40k a week then it supports a lot of people's theories on here that our fans seems more deluded than the average fan. This is all based on a guy who supposedly met Burnleys chief scout before we played them (why would their chief scout be at their own away game for one?) in the back of a cab. Would take the "players don't like Cotts" statement with an enormous pinch of salt. if no one liked him how did we near enough hand pick the best players in the same league as us last year to join us without hesitation? funny how all these 'stories' come out the woodwork after a loss. As BBSB said below regarding the game and taxi. Also he said with what we are paying Villa for his services it amounts to 40K a week...Who knows if it is true, but a bloke calling into radio Brizz and saying it on the radio makes me believe there 'could be' some truth 34 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: You need to listen better It was the FULHAM game , not our game with Burnley So having rubbished what he had to said on basis of facts ..... 16 minutes ago, Kingswood mask said: I sooooooo love this forum, talk about the rats jumping ship when it's still sailing, i call this a blimp,time to relax guys ffs....but i might be wrong...just enjoy the ride boys n girls, it's what supporting a club is all about, win every game we would be top of the prem, but sadly life aint like that....it's our club, and i for one love it, keep the faith xxx I agree, although to be fair I don't see to much ship jumping, more of the make Cotts walk the plank! I will keep the faith we will not be relegated for sure, but we certainly need to change a few things around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 I must admit that I sometimes laugh out loud when reading some comments on here. "The players don't like Cotterill" was one of them. Even if it was true it wouldn't make the slightest difference. Let's not forget that Gary Johnson was literally hated by virtually all of his players and yet took City to the brink of the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 8 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Mmm........ yes, of course I did Bob - were you the one in the dunce's hat in the corner? Ha ha ha - you really are an amusing little 'bad' boy ha ha If I was the dunce - guess that puts you in the category of educational need !!! More achievement and success than you could dream of Back to writing your idols post match interviews book of excuses (crayons I guess) for him while I ignore you and laugh at you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 2 minutes ago, Robbored said: I must admit that I sometimes laugh out loud when reading some comments on here. "The players don't like Cotterill" was one of them. Even if it was true it wouldn't make the slightest difference. Let's not forget that Gary Johnson was literally hated by virtually all of his players and yet took City to the brink of the PL. You don't work for the sun do you rob."the players don't like cotterill " would be the headline,nothing to do with current players it was about signings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 1 minute ago, joe jordans teeth said: You don't work for the sun do you rob."the players don't like cotterill " would be the headline,nothing to do with current players it was about signings No - he just has a very worrying obsession with a former manager - and can't settle until he's managed to churn out the same shite on every thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 1 hour ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Perhaps because it's nothing more than unsubstantiated bollocks from posters who clearly don't like him. It's not unsubstantiated though is it? There has been plenty written about SC over the years by people in the know - including his mate Harry Redknapp, the Secret Footballer book etc - and we know SC isn't a particularly popular character within footballing circles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Back to Nathan Baker... Gary Rowett said that he wanted him at Brum but couldn't match what we were willing to pay him, so clearly we are paying him a decent amount. However what that says to me is that after an utter shambles of a summer we may well have realised we need to pay the going rate and whoever is in charge by January, we need to ensure we do that for a few more or we will be going back where we came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 1 hour ago, petehinton said: if any of you genuinely genuinely believe that we are paying Baker £40k a week then it supports a lot of people's theories on here that our fans seems more deluded than the average fan. This is all based on a guy who supposedly met Burnleys chief scout before we played them (why would their chief scout be at their own away game for one?) in the back of a cab. Would take the "players don't like Cotts" statement with an enormous pinch of salt. if no one liked him how did we near enough hand pick the best players in the same league as us last year to join us without hesitation? funny how all these 'stories' come out the woodwork after a loss. In fairness to the bloke from Essex ( Twentyman show this evening) it was not the Burnley game that he sat in the taxi with the Burnley employee, it was different league game, he also corrected himself and said it 'wasnt' the chief scout, just a Burnley scout. To me it's pretty obvious that if a player gets the the choice of two or more clubs to sign for in the Championship, he signs for whose paying him the most. At the moment, that's not us. But, I expect that may well change in the January window! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 1 hour ago, petehinton said: if any of you genuinely genuinely believe that we are paying Baker £40k a week then it supports a lot of people's theories on here that our fans seems more deluded than the average fan. This is all based on a guy who supposedly met Burnleys chief scout before we played them (why would their chief scout be at their own away game for one?) in the back of a cab. Would take the "players don't like Cotts" statement with an enormous pinch of salt. if no one liked him how did we near enough hand pick the best players in the same league as us last year to join us without hesitation? funny how all these 'stories' come out the woodwork after a loss. He didn't say we were paying Baker 40K a week, he said the package i.e. loan fee and wages amounted to 40k a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 37 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: It's not unsubstantiated though is it? There has been plenty written about SC over the years by people in the know - including his mate Harry Redknapp, the Secret Footballer book etc - and we know SC isn't a particularly popular character within footballing circles. The secret footballer chapter is particularly damning. Interesting book overall actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Whether you like SC or not...the fact is, SC is marmite to many that work in football. Speak to anyone that works in the game Professionally, and they will all say the same thing...it's no coincidence. As a fan, it's understandable for some fans to like him, especially with the recent success he's had in League 1. But those fans do not generally hear what is said 'behind closed doors' by those in the game. Funnily the comment by the Burnley Scout doesn't surprise me... A good friend of mine works with their first team, and he has said exactly the same thing. Of course certain players will come here, and some will get on with him, but he definitely is a character that many Pros don't want to work for...heard it loads of times from Scouts, ex players, Agents and Coach's within the game. It doesn't mean he's a bad manager...it just limits the amount of players who would be willing to sign. As for wages....we pay bloody good money....don't believe half the crap you hear about players not wanting to come here, just based on wages. As for the comment by a forum member, thinking they know better than Louis Carey who knows the Club inside out....what a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 2 hours ago, REDOXO said: Bloke from Essex on Twentyman..... Quote....Burnley 'Chief Scout' stated "that its not Bristol City aren't paying the wages, Baker is on a Kings Randsom, it's players for some reason don't want to com here" He just talking crap didn't he say baker was on 40k a week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 2 minutes ago, Super said: He just talking crap didn't he say baker was on 40k a week? He said the package was 40k. This is feasible, if a little steep. Is it unrealistic to suggest we paid 1m to have him for the season and 20k wages? Perhaps not if we really were desperate. Seems a little high to me considering our summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Well considering he's probably on 20k a week and saying we are paying another 20k a week in fees seems feasible to me. It was a deadline day deal so maybe it was a last ditch effort to get talent. Reading are paying a 2.5m loan fee for Vydra. So it's not like a 1m for Baker would be outrageous. Seems steep though. If that is the case, it shows we are willing to pay and up until today Nathan has been a rock. Hopefully we can have a bit more success on permanent transfers because 2m a year on a loan is a lot of money that can't be recovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 1 minute ago, JoeAman08 said: Well considering he's probably on 20k a week and saying we are paying another 20k a week in fees seems feasible to me. It was a deadline day deal so maybe it was a last ditch effort to get talent. Reading are paying a 2.5m loan fee for Vydra. So it's not like a 1m for Baker would be outrageous. Seems steep though. If that is the case, it shows we are willing to pay and up until today Nathan has been a rock. Hopefully we can have a bit more success on permanent transfers because 2m a year on a loan is a lot of money that can't be recovered. Another guy on Twitter who's pretty reliable said he's heard about the money for Baker before today. Makes you think then why presumably we didn't offer Grey/Gayle 20k per week.. Or perhaps we did? What a confusing summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 All so very predictable this after a loss. A bloke says something on the radio so it must be true. We've even had the immortal "we should have kept SOD" line. SOD - the only City manager to ever make me consider giving up my season ticket! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 20 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: He said the package was 40k. This is feasible, if a little steep. Is it unrealistic to suggest we paid 1m to have him for the season and 20k wages? Perhaps not if we really were desperate. Seems a little high to me considering our summer. It's complete rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 4 minutes ago, Super said: It's complete rubbish. Based on what? Him saying that has just as much credence as you saying its rubbish. Baker probably is on about 40k, maybe more. It's not THAT unrealistic to say our package might reach 40k, it was a real late signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 14 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Another guy on Twitter who's pretty reliable said he's heard about the money for Baker before today. Makes you think then why presumably we didn't offer Grey/Gayle 20k per week.. Or perhaps we did? What a confusing summer. Very confusing and one we will probably never have a full understanding of. I don't mind assuming we offered Gayle and Gray competitive if not superior wage packages. One bet on himself playing for a prem club and one went to a club that on paper at the time(and now) looks much closer to the prem. We took chances and they didn't come off. I just hope pursuing signings such as those didn't cost us time to sign others and that's why our summer was poor. I don't think we were as stingy with wages as some think. I'd imagine we'd prefer to stick around 10k wage cap but if the right player were to be available to be flexible. It's all assumptions and this ITK says one thing and that ITK says something else. Something went wrong but I don't think it was wages. I do think we wanted to keep a small squad but that squad be stacked with quality and confidence. It didn't happen and now we have a small squad with little confidence. Now January is around the corner and we don't seem to be in a position to attract the players we will need. So it seems loans will be the answer again in January unless we learned and seriously got our s**t together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 2 hours ago, Kingswood mask said: I sooooooo love this forum, talk about the rats jumping ship when it's still sailing, i call this a blimp,time to relax guys ffs....but i might be wrong...just enjoy the ride boys n girls, it's what supporting a club is all about, win every game we would be top of the prem, but sadly life aint like that....it's our club, and i for one love it, keep the faith xxx Sadly I'm really not enjoying this and have failed to attend the last 4 home games, call me a poor fan i really don't care, after being a season ticket holder for 15 years in a row i think i finally may be losing the love and am preferring to spend my Saturdays at the christmas market with the Wife ALA today.. (things must be bad).. I've dream't for years that we can be a successful club challenging for premier league status but i'm coming to the realisation We're just a league 1 club who pay the occasional visit to the championship for a season or 2 of humiliation. All this makes Gary Johnsons achievements all the more impressive and i thank him for those memories, I truly think thats as good as its ever going to get... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 3 hours ago, Shtanley said: I'm in agreement with Louis Carey who thinks that SOD if given more time would have built a true philosophy. I think sacking him was the wrong decision and to sack Cotts without giving him January to make amends for this summer would also be a mistake. Cotts needs to change his transfer approach but I will say if he continues to aim for players like Gayle and Gray then he might have to go. I think some people on this thread are desperate for their self-fulfilling prophecies to come true. Many are desperate for change in the hope all the problems leave when the manager does. Carey's entitled to his opinions, but I'm afraid that one is horsesh*t. There was only one place this club was going under O'Miserable and that was down the swanny. Oh, and those people who are saying players don't like Cotterill - Korey Smith, Luke Freeman, Luke Ayling, Kieran Agard, Aaron Wilbraham etc didn't have a problem with him, did they Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 38 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Based on what? Him saying that has just as much credence as you saying its rubbish. Baker probably is on about 40k, maybe more. It's not THAT unrealistic to say our package might reach 40k, it was a real late signing. 40k a week and he can't even stay on a football pitch for 90 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 3 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said: Carey's entitled to his opinions, but I'm afraid that one is horsesh*t. There was only one place this club was going under O'Miserable and that was down the swanny. Oh, and those people who are saying players don't like Cotterill - Korey Smith, Luke Freeman, Luke Ayling, Kieran Agard, Aaron Wilbraham etc didn't have a problem with him, did they It doesn't mean ALL PLAYERS don't like him...but he is seriously not a POPULAR manager to work for by many. So obviously some will come...plus we do pay good money. Those players you mention will be on good money for their ability and experience and Wilbs is one last pay cheque. As for Carey's comments...would you seriously sit opposite him, and tell him to his face that his opinion is horseshit? A player who knows the club inside out and how it works, it's pros and cons....and would know what would improve it....seriously...you know more than him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 3 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Built a true philosophy from the 4th division? Great idea Louis. Talking of unsubstantiated... 3 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said: That's your opinion, I'm convinced we would have been. Yup that is your opinion, its quite conceivably wrong mind but who knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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