spudski Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 29 minutes ago, shelts said: I love football. I love watching Bristol City home and away. Today was just another game against a team not that far away, not a derby of any sorts, the Gas. Football on and off the pitch has changed as has society. The atmosphere today I thought was ok certainly better than lots of other games at home this season. How do we improve it I ain't got the clue. Passion and supporting loudly by singing and chanting have to come naturally I believe mate. Did it when I was a kid...but not for me now...long gone. It can't be forced...the action on the field and 'aura' of a game motivate that passion to happen. I look around Ashton Gate and it's full of old codgers...hardly the type to go jumping around creating a wall of noise. The problem in creating an 'atmosphere' is that it often leads to hostility...we get so many mixed messages from football clubs. They want an 'atmosphere' and the away team to feel uncomfortable...but how do you do that without it getting too aggressive and leading to anti social behaviour? It seems a lot of football fans can't do that...without an element that want to go too far. It's a catch 22. Would you see the Lansdown's or Mrs Dolman creating that 'atmosphere'....no...yet there are many fans of that disposition who support the club. Society as you say has changed...we don't go around making a 'scene' anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldan2010 Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 the constant jib about the chants being made at a game can't help. If it gets the crowd going, sing it. Worry about it later. ******* hate it when people worry about what fans chant against Rovers. If we got a bigger rival, dig them, but just get into whoever. Spend so much time worrying what keyboard warriors say, pc crowd think, the same crowd then complain about sterile atmosphere. i hate rovers, I will always stand up. I want to bounce. I want the team to feel my support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 7 hours ago, Cowshed said: The atmosphere at Ashton Gate has been in decline for seasons. Its pretty mundane. The ten years comment may betray your age. Twenty five years ago the atmosphere would be dark and malevolent, while that dark side can be criticised it also carried an allure of its own. Those days are never coming back, that feel is never coming back. The only way of fans reviving a small part of matchday could be what fans in the Atyeo are attempting. Heads up, keep it up. Disagree, home v Swindon last season was immense, the atmosphere can be generated, and in occasions this season it's been there but performances and results don't help. When we equalised against Leeds it was brilliant and I was in the South Stand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 It doesn't help when one of our supporters spends most of the time with his back to the game talking about everything but football, only glancing around now and then, just makes you wonder why he bothers. Standing in the atyeo all I could hear around me was people chatting among eachother not paying attention to the game and not helping to create any atmosphere. There just doesn't seem to be any passion with fans anymore these days. Years ago even being behind in a game everyone would be still creating a great atmosphere, but we just don't seem to have that spirit anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 7 hours ago, Chairman Mao said: Louder than us, we were shocking england england, sheep shaggers, slience for 20 mins, england england, baseball bat baseball bat zzzzz Did you sing anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrobbin Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 34 minutes ago, spudski said: Neither...they've generally been wearing football shirts...have a flag supporting said football team, or I've overheard them speaking about following their football team. Sorry fella...how you are trying to make out football fans are the same as cricket or football is beyond me. There are many well behaved football fans that enjoy all sports...what other sport do you hear of hooligan elements or hear of fights over what team you support? Very, very rare... Let's say football is not a spectator sport. Where would this hooligan element go? It would certainly still exist. But surface in different aspects of society. The " establishment" tell us in the main the majority of trouble markers are disillusioned working class males. With little or no direction, family troubles and possible psychological issues. Why do seemingly normal people riot en made on occasion. Stokes croft Tescos Bristol for instance . All perpetrators shopping in the very same store the were trying to set fire to I dare say. Pack them off to the army I say then the "establishment" can irradicate the problem illegally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldan2010 Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 15 minutes ago, Harry said: Did you sing anything? Exactly, easy to be Simon Cowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagon Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 I got it. It's mobile phones. They've become lethal in killing all forms of unified social situations. There is always someone distracted and not with the group. Multiply that in crowds and I expect there are hundreds of people doing other stuff. Some are heads down checking scores, some are getting a grilling from a partner, some are organising where they're going after, some are taking a picture, some are filming bits here and there, some are watching people take pictures and filming bits here and there etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 1 hour ago, redponty said: worst atmosphere at scum v us in years.,.why do city ? fans turn up talk about home wife kids car job etc etc arms folded for 90mins then **** off and wonder why we lost... We lost because they scored more than us and no way are 15,000 people cheering and shouting ever going to change that. To suggest they could is, frankly ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfieldred Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 35 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said: We lost because they scored more than us and no way are 15,000 people cheering and shouting ever going to change that. To suggest they could is, frankly ridiculous. True but I like to feel I've supported the team even when they play poorly. Otherwise I'm just a part timer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 37 minutes ago, Flagon said: I got it. It's mobile phones. They've become lethal in killing all forms of unified social situations. There is always someone distracted and not with the group. Multiply that in crowds and I expect there are hundreds of people doing other stuff. Some are heads down checking scores, some are getting a grilling from a partner, some are organising where they're going after, some are taking a picture, some are filming bits here and there, some are watching people take pictures and filming bits here and there etc etc I don't think you are far off fella...there are a generation of people who now prefer to be looking at a screen rather than reality...and they have no idea how to socialise properly. I'm actually astounded at how bad this issue has become. I recently managed a Ski Instructor Course, where people paid up to £11,000 for the privilege. Being free in a mountain environment, experiencing situations most can only dream of...nature at it's wildest. A group of under 25's decided they would rather stay in bed all day, playing computer games and face booking. They all hung out...hardly spoke to one another...communicated in grunts, and when it came to talking, could hardly string a sentence together. Even at the dinner table...face in phone. It's taken over peoples lives. Saying that...I'm on a bloomin forum, rather than talking to the lads on the next table...go figure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 9 hours ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: Don't really care that we lost today. Sure I'm upset a little but the same thing was wrong today that were wrong at the reverse fixture. Did it feel like the Cardiffs games of even 10 years ago? No. It was flat. If I just liked watching football I'd have stayed at home today and watched the North London Derby. I'd save money and a lot of heartache that way. But I come to the Gate, not to observe the game, but to experience and participate in that game. But every week I feel less and less involved. Most people in the Atyeo seem content with singing a few times and then if we score. This does not happen in any other country in the world. Even the yanks and Aussies produce better atmospheres than we do. Would rather we were in League 2 and rocking everyweek than our current arrangement. Football should be about releasing all the stress and tension built up in the week from work, relationships and other crap you've go bringing you down. Football culture has to change, but for the life of me I don't know how. There is no pain, you are receding... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 Its progress. Same thing happened to gigs and free parties. The nanny state mantra with its health and safety ray has made everything less enjoyable. Officialdom telling all they can do that, or only behind that yellow line and smoking that is against the law. Football has become a dull dull boy. Ashton Gate once had a stand where young un severed their apprenticeship. Rites of passage were observed. Tradition was accepted. Characters observed ... Admired even. Noise was a given Now corporate boxes for the rich elite are considered essential for a modern football club. Those stands young un severed their apprenticeship are considered a not. Start again now and? Wouldn't bother enough football to go. Progress? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 8 hours ago, spudski said: I don't think you are far off fella...there are a generation of people who now prefer to be looking at a screen rather than reality...and they have no idea how to socialise properly. I'm actually astounded at how bad this issue has become. I recently managed a Ski Instructor Course, where people paid up to £11,000 for the privilege. Being free in a mountain environment, experiencing situations most can only dream of...nature at it's wildest. A group of under 25's decided they would rather stay in bed all day, playing computer games and face booking. They all hung out...hardly spoke to one another...communicated in grunts, and when it came to talking, could hardly string a sentence together. Even at the dinner table...face in phone. It's taken over peoples lives. Saying that...I'm on a bloomin forum, rather than talking to the lads on the next table...go figure... Perhaps they were all fed up with you praising O'Driscoll, slagging off Cotterill and bigging up LJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 10 hours ago, Redrobbin said: So we have a massive hooligan element hell bent on causing heaps of trouble in France at the Euros rather than dirty their hands today. Better let the police know of this inside knowledge of yours. Comprehension at school probably wasn't a good point of yours was it? Even if I had suggested anything of the sort it wouldn't be 'we' rather the 'Welsh'. What I in fact said was 'some' may think that, not 'I'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 I'll echo the away games are better theme but that's always been the case, everybody at them has made more effort to get there so is de facto more invested in getting an atmosphere going and supporting the team. As to Ashton Gate's atmosphere, well anybody who wants to constructively do something to improve it can do by joining up with the fans group organising flags and negotiating singing sections and seating with the club. The atmosphere at Ashton Gate has been quiet for ages and the Eastend Ultras group (it's just a name in case Bristol Sport are reading) was a concerted and successful effort to improve it. Everybody is allowed to complain about a flat atmosphere, of course you are, but if it really matters to you then there is a direct way in which you personally can improve by joining in with the fan group. Or become one of those solo singers who keep starting chants that nobody joins in. I admire them hugely for their efforts but they actually seem to make people quieter because it shows up how quiet they're being which is embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 12 hours ago, shelts said: I love football. I love watching Bristol City home and away. Today was just another game against a team not that far away, not a derby of any sorts, the Gas. Football on and off the pitch has changed as has society. The atmosphere today I thought was ok certainly better than lots of other games at home this season. How do we improve it I ain't got the clue. We get a team that looks as if it is firstly up for the match and secondly has the ability to fight back. No goals and hardly the hint of one with six conceded in the last two home games. That is why it is like a library. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 Simples really. At home, the vast majority attend most games and expect City to win most games playing good football. When the team doesn't they sit grimly. Away, many fans turn up to a limited number of games at grounds near them, plus the wonderful diehards travelling regularly from Bristol. They enjoy their day out and don't expect to see a win regularly. We like to see effort, and if possible a City goal, if we win that is a tremendous bonus. Last season the City fans at MK,in the draw there, were the best I have ever experienced in over 60 years of supporting the team, better even than the draw at Coventry that saw us remain in the old league 1, or the victory at Chester that began our rise from the depths. The City fans at the loss at Brighton this season were magnificent too. Personally, when I do manage to get to Ashton Gate I feel grand because of all the City and family memories it generates, but the crowd seldom matches away crowds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 Sounds like a song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redponty Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 To the horse with no name, what you are saying then is atmosphere plays no part in any game ever ? you cant have been around football long then ? Ask players management and maybe old school fans. What they think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tully Bascomb Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 As someone who's watched city for over 40 years, so I've seen the good and the bad, I find the atmosphere to be totally related to what's going on on the field. If we are playing well the atmosphere can at times be fantastic. But my biggest gripe has to be the number of songs with swearing in. Being over 50 means bad language is no longer part of my everyday vocabulary (it's not big and it's not clever) so if the singers want people to join in, come up with something the majority are more comfortable singing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron-Bcfc Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 12 hours ago, The Horse With No Name said: We lost because they scored more than us and no way are 15,000 people cheering and shouting ever going to change that. To suggest they could is, frankly ridiculous. No it isn't. After we beat Swindon last season Steve Cotterill proudly said that when our fans are like that, teams can't win here. If we were loud, heated and intimidating from the first minute yesterday Cardiff players would've been making unforced errors, and our players would've upped it, I'm very confident of that. How can our team get fired up for a "Derby" with 0 atmosphere from 14000 home fans and the away fans dominating? Simple answer is they can't. Unfortunately even the atmosphere against Swindon last season is long gone now and probably won't be experienced at Ashton Gate again, even against the Gas. If they get their new ground they'll go exactly the same way. I haven't personally read it, but apparently Harry Redknapp highlights in his autobiography just how much crowd support affects a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 21 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said: I think the Cardiff fans have to take their shame of the blame. Despite selling out their allocation they stood in silence for long periods even when leading the game. I was amazed they were so quiet. They made far more noise than we did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 10 minutes ago, Super said: They made far more noise than we did! At times, yes, but they also spent long periods in silence despite leading a derby match for most of the game. Not saying we were great, but they weren't either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 14 hours ago, The Horse With No Name said: We lost because they scored more than us and no way are 15,000 people cheering and shouting ever going to change that. To suggest they could is, frankly ridiculous. Don't agree with this.... Walsall at home, I think it was around Xmas 1986, we went one nil down then had Keith Curle sent off controversially. And what happened next was amazing...there was only just over 10k in the ground but because of the unfair sending off the atmosphere suddenly went up a fair few notches and we simply would not let City lose. The noise was incredible as everyone roared the boys on, especially the pastel coloured jumper crew in the Enclosure. When we equalised that was great but still not enough and the noise levels went up again. And Paul Fitzpatrick duly popped up with a winner in front of the frenzied East End. The crowd undoubtedly played a huge part in that victory, and the players acknowledged that afterwards...so frankly, it's not ridiculous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 33 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Don't agree with this.... Walsall at home, I think it was around Xmas 1986, we went one nil down then had Keith Curle sent off controversially. And what happened next was amazing...there was only just over 10k in the ground but because of the unfair sending off the atmosphere suddenly went up a fair few notches and we simply would not let City lose. The noise was incredible as everyone roared the boys on, especially the pastel coloured jumper crew in the Enclosure. When we equalised that was great but still not enough and the noise levels went up again. And Paul Fitzpatrick duly popped up with a winner in front of the frenzied East End. The crowd undoubtedly played a huge part in that victory, and the players acknowledged that afterwards...so frankly, it's not ridiculous... So, how come Palace - with their much celebrated super fans and atmosphere - are on a long run of poor form? I'd say the effect on the players is diluted when it's like that week in, week out. It starts to go in one ear, and out the other, taken for granted. It can seem to work but only occasionally, not every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 1 hour ago, Super said: They made far more noise than we did! Yes, I noticed this, at least twice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 1 hour ago, Aaron-Bcfc said: No it isn't. After we beat Swindon last season Steve Cotterill proudly said that when our fans are like that, teams can't win here. If we were loud, heated and intimidating from the first minute yesterday Cardiff players would've been making unforced errors, and our players would've upped it, I'm very confident of that. How can our team get fired up for a "Derby" with 0 atmosphere from 14000 home fans and the away fans dominating? Simple answer is they can't. Unfortunately even the atmosphere against Swindon last season is long gone now and probably won't be experienced at Ashton Gate again, even against the Gas. If they get their new ground they'll go exactly the same way. I haven't personally read it, but apparently Harry Redknapp highlights in his autobiography just how much crowd support affects a team. I wouldn't take as Gospel everything Harry says, but loud support can help on occasions. Very, very vocal support for Spurs yesterday but they couldn't hold on to their lead with a man extra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 7 minutes ago, Jack Dawe said: So, how come Palace - with their much celebrated super fans and atmosphere - are on a long run of poor form? I'd say the effect on the players is diluted when it's like that week in, week out. It starts to go in one ear, and out the other, taken for granted. It can seem to work but only occasionally, not every week. I agree mate, that Walsall atmosphere was sparked by a controversial incident, but it certainly showed the influence a crowd can have on a result.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 7 hours ago, Frenchay Red said: Perhaps they were all fed up with you praising O'Driscoll, slagging off Cotterill and bigging up LJ? haha...for all their problems...they aren't stupid ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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