BobBobSuperBob Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 12 minutes ago, 29AR said: Reports, which suggest... and correct me if I'm wrong but you say Got turned down a £450k offer so to say we were £1m over Got'a valuation is plainly incorrect. All that can be deduced is that £450k was under their valuation. And as always valuation is relative to who would pay what. Oscar is worth £60m to a team in China, nowhere else, Tevez £615k pw to a team in China, nowhere else. Engval may have been worth £450k to a team in turkey who spent no more than £500k on a single player this summer.. to us... You just need to appreciate as an English side your £££'s don't stretch as far. That's no incompetence. Maybe a Chinese side will make a £20m ' take it or leave it ' bid for Engvall in January !! Put on A bit of Spin ' Swedish International , the next Zlatan etc etc' Someone will bite ! Jobs a good un Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 8 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said: The offer turned down from Turkey was £450.000 only representing half of Gothenburgs valuation of the player which then was £900.000 and we paid £1.950.000 Ok. Fair enough. But if I was CEO of Gothenburg I'd say £900k valuation for a Turkish side is one thing, English championship side who have one 18 year old loanee and a 36 year old up front with £14m fee for last year's top scorer.... double our valuation. If I was and didn't I'd expect to be fired for negligence. Valuation is relative to the market, and the market to Konyaspor as to us is in our current position is vastly different. I mean even in January 2008 we were buying players from the Turkish Prem for £500k [Nick Carle]... especially if we were going to the wall. Even more time to take the risk and try it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 hour ago, JasonM88 said: Saw someone on twitter claiming that Gary Johnson helps the agency company. I'm in no way claiming that is true but saw it on twitter. In Tommy's OP Engvall's agent is named as Per Jonsson. Presumably Mr Hayes somehow read this as Pa Johnson, i.e. Gary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted December 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 If the Swedish companys profit margin for the year ending 2016-12 still is 2,86 %, they still only got one employee, no office costs from what can be understood it would be interesting to know more about the network and the cost for it. VMC Group acted on behalf of Gothenburg, not the player, and the article suggests they approached the club through their network whatever that mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 12 hours ago, Carey 6 said: This nonsense about him not being fit annoys me. He's been fit, Johnson obviously just doesn't rate him. If he wasn't fit a month to six weeks after signing then I have no idea what the **** our coaches do. He wasn't exactly 20 stone when he signed was he. Part of the problem is playing one up top. He's unlikely to start ahead of Tammy at the mo', although the goals drying up a bit might change that equation. Wilbs is LJ's reliable benchman, so makes it difficult. Should we switch to a 2, or we get an injury then he might get more game time. Taylor Moore is in a similar situation trying to oust Flint / Magnússon. That's football and squads. Fitness doesn't mean weight does it. He had a knee injury when he came over, and he said to me on Wednesday that it set him back a bit. Not only was he trying to get over his knee, but get sharp, as well as get used to England (both football-wise and location-wise). Having said that he thinks Bristol is quite similar to Gothenburg, which has helped him settle. His family and girlfriend come over regularly too. (Hordur said Italy was nowhere near as nice as Bristol) 12 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: I think it's more getting fit from injury/match sharpness rather than him being genuinely unfit. He is ready now, and expecting more game time. Certainly has belief in his own ability, sees his career going very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 13 hours ago, phantom said: Don't panic he's one for the future don't you know But do we need a delorean DMC????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 12 hours ago, bristolcitysweden said: The offer turned down from Turkey was £450.000 only representing half of Gothenburgs valuation of the player which then was £900.000 and we paid £1.950.000 By that Tommy you are assuming that what a club plays for a player in any transfer is the price quoted. I am pretty sure that every transfer comes with it's add on's agents fees, solicitors fees, etc, I don't think we have been ripped off if thats what you are suggesting. I think it's kind of ironic that you have been asking the club to sign scandinavian players for years and now we have one, all your posts about him and the signing have been pretty exclusively negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 10 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: I think it's kind of ironic that you have been asking the club to sign scandinavian players for years and now we have one, all your posts about him and the signing have been pretty exclusively negative. Frustration perhaps that previous recommendations have been ignored and he thinks there are better value players available out there? TBF to Tommy, I noticed our other Swedish contributors were fairly unenthusiastic about the news of Engvall's transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted December 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 To be continued Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 8 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Frustration perhaps that previous recommendations have been ignored and he thinks there are better value players available out there? TBF to Tommy, I noticed our other Swedish contributors were fairly unenthusiastic about the news of Engvall's transfer. Agree! I remember the Swedish contributors posting that Engvall was not worth the money and there were better prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 Jesus. And to think people believe the "premier league clubs were looking at him" and "premier league clubs have watched him train with us" shit that gets spouted. He was so badly wanted his agent had to tout him to the club. Paying £1m over asking price and £500k to agents in one deal is the most Bristol City thing I've ever heard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted December 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 The information in this thread is from various reliable sources and I trust they are pretty spot on. Question is who got close to £500,000 for convincing the club to sign Engvall. I very much doubt the money ended up at the very unexperienced Swedish company mentioned. Who is behind the letterbox/shell company/conduit that benefited? Who fooled the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Rick Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 23 hours ago, Red Right Hand said: Interesting Tommy. I suppose that`s the way it works in modern football. How the agent can get 40% of the fee though is beyond me - I`m in the wrong job obviously! Most likely player ownership. Like Tevez & Mascherano. Not uncommon. Silly to sell yourself to an agent like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3City Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 All this stress about a player that we honestly don't know how good he is yet! If he turns out to be crap then we can all say "classic Bristol City behaviour". If he turns out great we'll all be happy! Nothing ventured nothing gained in my opinion - we may lose on this one but we certainly gained on Kodjia. Swings and roundabouts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 22 hours ago, GrahamC said: So this guy is seriously suggesting that Engvall's agent is the current manager of an English league two side and our head coach's father? Leaving aside for one moment just how ludicrous an idea that is, there are clear rules that govern this sort of thing, a manager cannot be an agent, too.. This is genuinely one of the most embarrassing things I have ever seen posted on here. People can have opinions on whether Engvall will turn out to be a good signing or not, whether he represents good value or not, but this is off the scale stupidity and how anyone could even contemplate believing it is true is simply beyond me. I've just this thread an decided I was going to post similar comments to you, before I had read as far as yours. I'm surprised nobody else had picked how it just wouldn't be allowed to happen, just not possible as there would be at best a huge conflict of interest. But you put it much better than I ever could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 It's not just Engvall, we paid a similar amount for O'Dowda and he never seems to get a look-in. If we're paying over £1m for a player he has to be given a run of games in the first team, it's not the same in the reserves. LJ for all his talk about developing young players doesn't seem to have the courage to chuck them in the deep end, even if the team is struggling. Both of these players are full internationals, not kids straight out of the academy. I remember when Joe Bryan was first put in the team by McInnes, he was nowhere near ready but it helped his development no end. Di Girolamo is knocking in goals for the reserves, and he's 22 (and a former Italian youth international) and also should at least be given bench appearances given that our 'best' players can't score at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted December 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 Per Jonsson is Engvalls agent. A very unexperienced Swedish company is suggested to have been benefiting £500.000 from convincing City to sign Engvall for twice the price. I very much doubt that is the whole truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 Just so I can accurately measure my measure my level of outrage I meant to be showing here (using the Daily Mail scale, naturally). How much of this 'one for the future' write off because he's crap and 'agent fee' of half a million is Internet speculation and how much of it is based on fact? I'd hate to reflect in 6 months and look like a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyBrotherErnie Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 Is it just me that's confused about this transfer? He's looked perfectly good/fit/adapted whenever he's played, yet LJ keeps making excuses about how he isn't ready. Makes me wonder if something is going on behind the scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 I have been told from a very good source within the club that he is not considered good enough. Hopefully that will change, but that is the situation at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted December 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, Frenchay Red said: I have been told from a very good source within the club that he is not considered good enough. Hopefully that will change, but that is the situation at the moment. Did they tell you who they paid £500.000 for the advice to sign him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 Panic buy? Or competition for him? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3489747/Stoke-closing-IFK-Gothenburg-forward-Gustav-Engvall-potential-2m-deal.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted December 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, MyBrotherErnie said: Is it just me that's confused about this transfer? He's looked perfectly good/fit/adapted whenever he's played, yet LJ keeps making excuses about how he isn't ready. Makes me wonder if something is going on behind the scenes. Someone mentioned, true or not, that PL clubs have been watching him in training. Was this transfer only for the £500.000 advisory fee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted December 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 5 minutes ago, alexukhc said: Panic buy? Or competition for him? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3489747/Stoke-closing-IFK-Gothenburg-forward-Gustav-Engvall-potential-2m-deal.html Stokes interest was way before (March). In fact they wished him good luck at City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 24 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said: Stokes interest was way before (March). In fact they wished him good luck at City. Well that sounds promising. If he went there and they thought he was poor and shipped him back he wouldn't be on their radar post-trial. As it happens he stayed on their radar and they wished him well in a new role. Sounds like the sort of thing you'd do for someone who wasn't quite ready, but you suspect might get there... keep him sweet, keep him thinking highly of the club should he prove himself and come good and they once again become interest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 Transfermarkt the German website says his agent is NSKY; http://www.nsky.se/index-1eng.html http://www.nsky.se/index-2Eng.html# He's played twice for Sweden in friendlies....he's hardly Ali Dia is he. Had some idiot not incorrectly tweeted that Gary Johnson was the main man at the Agency, would this really be an issue that we've forked out a load to an agent. Maybe that's why Kodjia's €3m turned out to be more than £3m accordingly to SL, and he wasn't referring to the exchange rate. Might turn out to be a bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyBrotherErnie Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 Apparently Jonas Svensson's agent is also NSKY. Coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 30 minutes ago, MyBrotherErnie said: Apparently Jonas Svensson's agent is also NSKY. Coincidence? They have got loads of players on their books. We've dealt with them once, perhaps they're easy to deal with.....for the right krona? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted December 24, 2016 Report Share Posted December 24, 2016 Tommy's suggesting that we only bought Engvall because of a persuasive football agent. That flies in the face of everything we know about how this management team work. When you see the sort of effort they put in to signing a kid on loan, I for one find it hard to believe they would do so much less work on someone that cost a transfer fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted December 24, 2016 Report Share Posted December 24, 2016 10 hours ago, Frenchay Red said: I have been told from a very good source within the club that he is not considered good enough. Hopefully that will change, but that is the situation at the moment. Neither are several others who play regularly so nothing to be too concerned about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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