City fan 1982 Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 3 hours ago, phantom said: Or photos plastered on the evening post or Avon and Somerset Police websites Why should Julie be commenting on this thread @kivsy? Does she not usually give an insight into all things policing ? Don't know why phantom needs to comment ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 09:48, Robbored said: That just confirms why the ko is at midday. Police don't want trouble makers getting beered up before the game. All this "road works" as an excuse is complete and transparent nonsense. what about wolves v villa 5.30pm thats ok then on the piss all day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City fan 1982 Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Griffin said: @JulieH ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 12 minutes ago, kivsy said: ? Just getting her attention to the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieH Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 1 hour ago, archie andrews said: so the other 6 were let off? and all bans lifted if enforced? The remaining 6 phoned police upon seeing photos in media and have made arrangements to be dealt with asap. We are anticipating further charges from them also no doors were put in , everyone answered the door with no issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 17 minutes ago, JulieH said: The remaining 6 phoned police upon seeing photos in media and have made arrangements to be dealt with asap. We are anticipating further charges from them also no doors were put in , everyone answered the door with no issues. so do they all get banned pending court etc regardless guilty or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieH Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 11 minutes ago, archie andrews said: so do they all get banned pending court etc regardless guilty or not? Once arrested and charged to court , they will be released on bail with conditions not to attend any football match. This is decided by the custody Sgt who takes each person history into account, along with with any potential to commit further offences etc. this is before any court case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted January 12, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 1 hour ago, kivsy said: Does she not usually give an insight into all things policing ? Don't know why phantom needs to comment ? Well that was a grown up response! Reason I asked Julie was only invited to otib to respond to q&a, it's obvious she couldn't comment on specific cases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 12 minutes ago, JulieH said: Once arrested and charged to court , they will be released on bail with conditions not to attend any football match. This is decided by the custody Sgt who takes each person history into account, along with with any potential to commit further offences etc. this is before any court case so prove your innocence to get the ban lifted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 3 hours ago, RobintheRed Red said: what about wolves v villa 5.30pm thats ok then on the piss all day Covered by the WMP - what do you expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 10:08, Turbored said: Whenever i hear about trouble it always seems to be the BCFC fans that are vindicated , so is it Hedlu that causes the problem or our fans. Do the Cardiff fans ever get arrested or are we targeted unfairly by Hedlu? When we play at home to Cardiff i never seem to see or hear of any trouble or is it just not reported , have any Cardiff fans been arrested at Ashton Gate or in city centre over the last couple of seasons does anyone know? your right mate its ok for the Cardiff scum to throw piss over are fans over there a steward goes down like hes been poleaxed an all hell breaks loose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 6 hours ago, JulieH said: Once arrested and charged to court , they will be released on bail with conditions not to attend any football match. This is decided by the custody Sgt who takes each person history into account, along with with any potential to commit further offences etc. this is before any court case So innocent until proven guilty! "along with any potential to commit further offences etc" that reads as if you've decided the said parties are guilty already, a complete joke of the whole innocent until proven guilty rubbish we are expected to believe applies in this or any other case involving football fans and the untouchable boys in blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 6 hours ago, JulieH said: Once arrested and charged to court , they will be released on bail with conditions not to attend any football match. This is decided by the custody Sgt who takes each person history into account, along with with any potential to commit further offences etc. this is before any court case Hi Julie, do you have an email address? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 8 hours ago, JulieH said: cctv is clear, however once the court dates are over it will then be able to be released. I will be able to say more after court cases. Tbh this does read as tho your saying once they have been convicted then the Cctv will be released. Many of us on here are true believers in the innocent til proven guilty concept and believe in a fair trial And that that person has the right to defend themselves. If any of these are found innocent by the court will you issue an apology for your presumption of guilt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 9 minutes ago, Up The City! said: Tbh this does read as tho your saying once they have been convicted then the Cctv will be released. Many of us on here are true believers in the innocent til proven guilty concept and believe in a fair trial And that that person has the right to defend themselves. If any of these are found innocent by the court will you issue an apology for your presumption of guilt? :laugh:, will they hell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieH Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 5 hours ago, Up The City! said: Hi Julie, do you have an email address? Yes it is Julie.hayward@avonandsomserset.pnn.police.uk i am in work later so can pick up any e mail then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieH Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 5 hours ago, Up The City! said: Tbh this does read as tho your saying once they have been convicted then the Cctv will be released. Many of us on here are true believers in the innocent til proven guilty concept and believe in a fair trial And that that person has the right to defend themselves. If any of these are found innocent by the court will you issue an apology for your presumption of guilt? In cases like these often once court is finished and guilty pleas or decisions have been made then cctv can be released. Having read this thread many people are concerned as to the content of the cctv so it appears to me that the only way to answer those questions is to release it once all court proceedings have been dealt with? If there is a view from here not to then I will take that on board and people will just have to take my world for what happened!! there is of course a presumption of innocent until proven guilty, it is the basis of the criminal justice system, however when making the decision with regards to bail the custody Sgt will measure the weight of evidence to be presented in court against the threat of committing further offences, being involved in further disorder etc. It is how the decision with regard to bail is made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 I appreciate the club are bound by the decisions of others but will the bans applied be lifted if guilt is not proven? A friend has been issued with a 3 year ban but did absolutely nothing apart from jump a mile when a firework landed at his feet which none of us would be too happy about. Once he is vindicated, will his ban be removed? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieH Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, 8menhadadream said: I appreciate the club are bound by the decisions of others but will the bans applied be lifted if guilt is not proven? A friend has been issued with a 3 year ban but did absolutely nothing apart from jump a mile when a firework landed at his feet which none of us would be too happy about. Once he is vindicated, will his ban be removed? Thanks. I presume you mean a ban by the club as opposed to the 3 year football ban? it currently is the case that the safety officer will contact those just finishing football bans and he tends to have a face to face meeting with them regarding future behaviour and if appropriate can agree a good behaviour type contract with the club. this is obviously done on a case by case basis. with regards to a football banning order issued by the court the defendant can apply once 2/3rds has been served for the remaining third to be lifted at the court. This generally happens unless opposed by police( normally me!) . I have only opposed 1 in 10 years . As long as there is no breach of it he would be able to do this. if he needs any more advice then he can e mail me at the above address in the forum . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 1 hour ago, JulieH said: I presume you mean a ban by the club as opposed to the 3 year football ban? it currently is the case that the safety officer will contact those just finishing football bans and he tends to have a face to face meeting with them regarding future behaviour and if appropriate can agree a good behaviour type contract with the club. this is obviously done on a case by case basis. with regards to a football banning order issued by the court the defendant can apply once 2/3rds has been served for the remaining third to be lifted at the court. This generally happens unless opposed by police( normally me!) . I have only opposed 1 in 10 years . As long as there is no breach of it he would be able to do this. if he needs any more advice then he can e mail me at the above address in the forum . Thank you Julie, I will pass this information on. He's been given a 3 year football ban even though he hasn't been found guilty of anything yet. He was one that received a 'visit' on Wednesday morning over the Cardiff fiasco. AFAIK, he genuinely didn't do anything wrong apart from react when a firework landed at his feet, something we would all have reacted to WTGR. This is a home and away City supporter who travels (or travelled now) all over Europe watching England without getting into any bother. I feel really sorry for the fella TBH as he's distraught over this. I appreciate the advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 I will be strongly urging Julie to release the footage once the court cases have been dealt with, so that we can all see for once and for all what happened in this particular incident on that night. Hopefully the court cases will be held soon so that we can see this evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieH Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 23 hours ago, NOTBLUE said: There hasn't even been a polite tap on the door,let alone a knock. With regards to this rugby incident cid are dealing. The culprits were immediately identified both on the night and the next day therefore we are legally not allowed to release known suspects to media unless they have been charged. i will speak to the officer dealing and get an update, there were a number of person arrested and interviewed last time I was updated but I will check and get back to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSF_FairCop Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Hello This is Amanda, Case Worker for the Football Supporters Federation. One of my roles is to assist fans who are arrested or who have cause to complain about policing and stewarding. I also help people banned by their clubs. One of the cases I've been involved in is this one which some of you may be familiar with. We are lucky enough to have two solicitors we are able to refer fans to for initial free of charge independent advice. One takes up criminal cases and the other civil (complaints against police, stewards or football clubs). In criminal cases, getting expert advice can make all the difference to a case. I see way too many unrepresented fans convicted and given a banning order when having a good solicitor, specialist in football cases, may well mean a different outcome. I'm aware some people don't think getting a solicitor isn't worth it, or are put off by the idea that it'll costs them thousands of pounds when this isn't necessarily true. Again, initial advice is free so people really do have nothing to lose by getting in touch. My details are 07703 519555 or amanda.jacks@fsf.org.uk - feel free to pass them on to anybody who may need them and I'm happy to be contacted outside of normal office hours - just not too early or too late! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTBLUE Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 14 minutes ago, JulieH said: With regards to this rugby incident cid are dealing. The culprits were immediately identified both on the night and the next day therefore we are legally not allowed to release known suspects to media unless they have been charged. i will speak to the officer dealing and get an update, there were a number of person arrested and interviewed last time I was updated but I will check and get back to you. Thanks for the up date and response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Dollymarie said: I will be strongly urging Julie to release the footage once the court cases have been dealt with, so that we can all see for once and for all what happened in this particular incident on that night. Hopefully the court cases will be held soon so that we can see this evidence. I can't wait to see the footage personally. It will show some policeman frothing at the mouth, batons at the ready, barely being able to contain their excitement at the thought of whacking a load of football fans. Highlight of their working week. In fact I can probably dig out a photo or two as evidence from that particular evening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WefellinlovewithMP Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 My wife hates a early morning knock on her back doors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Dream Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Julie can you tell us if any Cardiff fans have been arrested I.e the one who threw the flare / banger into the city end? Sounds like a big stitch up just like a few years ago. Look forward to seeing the cctv footage of this, like mentioned previously I'm sure it will be edited to suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 One more thing Julie. Have the Reading fans who sent off flares at Ashton Gate been identified and dealt with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieH Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Can't stand me now said: Julie can you tell us if any Cardiff fans have been arrested I.e the one who threw the flare / banger into the city end? Sounds like a big stitch up just like a few years ago. Look forward to seeing the cctv footage of this, like mentioned previously I'm sure it will be edited to suit. There were no Cardiff fans arrested from the incident as it happened in Bristol city area. the fire cracker was thrown by a Bristol city fan who attempted to throw it over the segregation fencing however it did not go high enough and bounced back into the crowd. Many witnesses saw this happen including me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieH Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, Up The City! said: One more thing Julie. Have the Reading fans who sent off flares at Ashton Gate been identified and dealt with? The cctv was reviewed and unfortunately they were not caught on it so no one has been arrested. Should evidence turn up on social media showing the culprits then obviously they will be arrested and dealt with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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