Alessandro Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 2 hours ago, NickJ said: What about my Lee Johnson stuff? I'm surprised you even challenge the level of investment issue, but backing it up with figures is quite easy. Over the past 10 years our P&L deficit (well Steve's now) has increased by almost £100 million. Burnley's hasn't, and by the way I believe they have a fans representative on their board of directors, none of whom unlike ours are paid. You say Burnley are unlikely to ever be any more than a yo-yo club. I agree. Same as us, but between different divisions. I asked you to provide figures and you haven't. As I've already said, the reason Burnley are now in that financial position is because of their parachute payments - spent wisely over 4 years back in the championship. Quote I haven't "admitted" Steve will not go crazy, because I have never said or implied that he would or is in the first place. But the ownership and control does matter for precisely the reasons I have already outlined. Do you really think that the past 10 years have been as successful as they should have been given the money pumped in, and if not why not? As @spudski says. We can pull figures out to suit arguments. While you offer Burnley, I'll offer Sheffield United. An owner who has now pumped in over £90m of investment and £15m or more from the Middle East. Despite also having a manager that fits the 'criteria' that many on here would look for. Where has it got Sheffield United? Stuck in league one for 5 years. Quote Look at the composition of the directors of the holding company, and of the football club. Are they of the necessary calibre and experience? Do they even make the big decisions? Who for example decided that a manager who had been outrageously successful on a relatively low budget for 18 of his 24 months in charge (and that's without even going into who was responsible for the less successful other 6) should be bombed out rather than supported at a difficult time and replaced with a complete novice with a win rate of 36% in League One and seemingly minimal man management skills? I once had to recruit junior members of staff for a new department I was setting up at a company I worked for, and on the basis that as you don't really know what you are going to get, agreed with my boss that they would be female, attractive with blond hair and certain other attributes, the rationale being that if nothing else they would at least be pleasing on the eye. In the event the policy was enormously successful for all of the right reasons as well as the wrong ones. You do wonder sometimes what the selection criteria is for Bristol City managers. I'm struggling to see where you're going with this one Nick. So you and your boss made some bad judgement calls on recruitment once....so.....SL is bad at recruiting too? This is a businessman with a FTSE 100, multi billion pound company with employees of over 1000. I think he perhaps knows a little bit about buisness. So not entirely sure what your business comparison has do to with his picking of football managers. We know you disagree with the choice of LJ. But SL has picked well before, and picked badly. This has been discussed to death. I've posted facts about how only a tiny percentage of championship managers vs. Managers employed achieve promotion. SL is not alone in making bad managerial decisions for time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 @Alessandro and @spudski You two keep likeing each others posts and we'll all see each other in League One next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCulturalBomb Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 O' Neil and Hegeler as the CM's? I had no idea we were playing walking football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 15 hours ago, Alessandro said: I asked you to provide figures and you haven't. As I've already said, the reason Burnley are now in that financial position is because of their parachute payments - spent wisely over 4 years back in the championship. As @spudski says. We can pull figures out to suit arguments. While you offer Burnley, I'll offer Sheffield United. An owner who has now pumped in over £90m of investment and £15m or more from the Middle East. Despite also having a manager that fits the 'criteria' that many on here would look for. Where has it got Sheffield United? Stuck in league one for 5 years. I'm struggling to see where you're going with this one Nick. So you and your boss made some bad judgement calls on recruitment once....so.....SL is bad at recruiting too? This is a businessman with a FTSE 100, multi billion pound company with employees of over 1000. I think he perhaps knows a little bit about buisness. So not entirely sure what your business comparison has do to with his picking of football managers. We know you disagree with the choice of LJ. But SL has picked well before, and picked badly. This has been discussed to death. I've posted facts about how only a tiny percentage of championship managers vs. Managers employed achieve promotion. SL is not alone in making bad managerial decisions for time to time. Sheffield Utd have had £105 million pounds worth of investment... that is the biggest load of bollocks I've ever heard... the majority of my family are blades supporters and I can assure you that is not true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 14 minutes ago, 'keepuplino' said: Sheffield Utd have had £105 million pounds worth of investment... that is the biggest load of bollocks I've ever heard... the majority of my family are blades supporters and I can assure you that is not true... I have just reviewed Sheffield United's accounts and can confirm that @Alessandro's comments of alleged £105m investment are indeed bollocks. EDIT: Not even close to not being bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 @'keepuplino' @NickJ Bollocks eh? I wasn't saying the owner has invested £100m on the team, but into the club as SL has at City: http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-united/owner-mccabe-reveals-financial-commitment-to-sheffield-united-1-7741657 @NickJ - let's see the accounts then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 7 hours ago, 'keepuplino' said: Sheffield Utd have had £105 million pounds worth of investment... that is the biggest load of bollocks I've ever heard... the majority of my family are blades supporters and I can assure you that is not true... http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-united/owner-mccabe-reveals-financial-commitment-to-sheffield-united-1-7741657 https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/03/sheffield-united-saudi-arabia-co-owner @'keepuplino'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trueredsupporter Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Players were at the Community trust football camp at Whitchurch which was sold out. don't seem to be doing as much now in between school holidays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 5 hours ago, Alessandro said: @'keepuplino' @NickJ Bollocks eh? I wasn't saying the owner has invested £100m on the team, but into the club as SL has at City: http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-united/owner-mccabe-reveals-financial-commitment-to-sheffield-united-1-7741657 @NickJ - let's see the accounts then? Any chance? How have the community trust widened engagement with junior clubs and schools via football who cannot afford these partnerships? Are the trust scaling back aspects of what they do because of these products which can cost thousands of pounds? How wide is the community trusts prescience via its football pathway? I think Spudski may know more than he is letting on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publandlord Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Well the project seems sensible to me: ACADEMY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLAYER RECRUITMENT & TALENT IDENTIFICATION Players on the way up so have resale value FINANCIAL CONTROL FACILITIES But this project is simple common sense and must be operated in the majority of league clubs. Why does it seem that LJ is the only one who can understand it - that is patent nonsense - there are 100s of managers who would be prepared to operate this way - nice stadium, lots of money for signings etc. Now if youre SC and think is clever to operate with your bench shorthanded when there are academy players available fine but most managers would be happy. I'm not talking about the 19 points we have dropped from winning positions - as a whole all teams lose a few points this way. However how many points has LJ cost us this season because of: Playing Tammy upfront on his own Constantly changing the team making Flint undroppable but leaving magnusson out for a month beting unable to be clever enough (until its too late) to react to other teams tactics Having a England Youth International commenting on Radio bristol rather than playing when we are short in defence A Conference South Manager able to see right through LJ's tactical naiveity Spending 5 million on Engvall and Tomlin and not playing them No understanding how to get the best from his team ETc Etc. I would expect Johnson's incompetence has cost us 30 points, if we stay up I suspect lee will "learn on the job" and only cost us 25 points next year. There are 100s of managers who could come in NOW and save this team with money SL has spent? WHY CAN'T SL SEE THIS????? I notice an increasing number of anti SL posts on here, and if I had bankrolled the club to the extent of £97 million losses since SL has been in charge and 47 million on a nice shiny stadium I would be feeling a little sore at this apparent ingratitude. These anti posts to will only continue to grow until LJ is sacked - I don't care what the Burton result is LJ is a menace and shouldn't be our manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Let me say, I buy totally into SLs vision and am enormously grateful to him and his family for the commitment, financial and otherwise to the 'cause'. The vision gets 10/10 from me. My interest - albeit it passive at present - in other Bristol sports; rugby, women's football, basketball has grown, which is an indicator that the 'project' can deliver benefits to all the sports involved (including City). The infrastructure has improved beyond belief and the likelihood of the enterprise being self-sustaining in the future much increased. The concept of a primarily Bristol based set of players is also admirable and engagement with the local community is superb. All well and good. The 'playing side' of the project, however, is a total let down. What is the 'DNA' of this team? Whether management or players, I just don't see one - all froth, no substance or bottle. More about individual crusades than collective responsibility. It's a simple team game. Forget utility players, worrying about the opposition, complex tactics, just pick the best specialist in each position and tell them to go out and win the individual battles. Not hard. As Warnock was saying at the weekend - I half suspect with our issues in mind - settled side and impose yourself on the opposition. More than sickening if SLs dream is scuttled because of a load of incompetents and backlash from disgruntled fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 22 hours ago, 'keepuplino' said: Sheffield Utd have had £105 million pounds worth of investment... that is the biggest load of bollocks I've ever heard... the majority of my family are blades supporters and I can assure you that is not true... 21 hours ago, NickJ said: I have just reviewed Sheffield United's accounts and can confirm that @Alessandro's comments of alleged £105m investment are indeed bollocks. EDIT: Not even close to not being bollocks. 14 hours ago, Alessandro said: @'keepuplino' @NickJ Bollocks eh? I wasn't saying the owner has invested £100m on the team, but into the club as SL has at City: http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-united/owner-mccabe-reveals-financial-commitment-to-sheffield-united-1-7741657 @NickJ - let's see the accounts then? Still no comment @'keepuplino' @NickJ? Posting on other threads, but not this one...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, Alessandro said: Still no comment @'keepuplino' @NickJ? Posting on other threads, but not this one...... Totally forgot TBH... the figures shown in that article are highly debatable to say the least with hardly any money being invested in the squad.. Not a fair comparison in my opinion babs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 1 minute ago, 'keepuplino' said: Totally forgot TBH... the figures shown in that article are highly debatable to say the least with hardly any money being invested in the squad.. Not a fair comparison in my opinion babs Well, they're the figures out in the open press and public domain. He wouldn't say it if he couldn't back it up on the accounts, that would be 'political suicide' We were talking about SL investing £100m in the club and he should have seen a better return. Sheffield United have invested the same amount, and it's not got them much further than us, so I'd say it was a fair comparison me Babbers! Anyway, i'm tired of debating peoples' 'opinions' with actual facts on this thread, only to be told those facts are still wrong, in their opinion....and i'm the one talking bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, Alessandro said: Well, they're the figures out in the open press and public domain. He wouldn't say it if he couldn't back it up on the accounts, that would be 'political suicide' We were talking about SL investing £100m in the club and he should have seen a better return. Sheffield United have invested the same amount, and it's not got them much further than us, so I'd say it was a fair comparison me Babbers! Anyway, i'm tired of debating peoples' 'opinions' with actual facts on this thread, only to be told those facts are still wrong, in their opinion....and i'm the one talking bollocks. You are talking bollocks on that particular point my friend have a look at the accounts at Companies House not what the media tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Just now, NickJ said: You are talking bollocks on that particular point my friend have a look at the accounts at Companies House not what the media tell you. As I expected, a sentence from you with 0 facts. Here is mine: http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-united/owner-mccabe-reveals-financial-commitment-to-sheffield-united-1-7741657 Show me yours! Don't tell me in your opinion this fact is wrong. Prove it @NickJ Don't be lazy and tell me to go look it up at Companies House. Back up your argument yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 8 minutes ago, NickJ said: You are talking bollocks on that particular point my friend have a look at the accounts at Companies House not what the media tell you. Thank you for clarifying my point... McCabe is talking utter shite to appease the fans.. fans who want him gone.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, 'keepuplino' said: Thank you for clarifying my point... McCabe is talking utter shite to appease the fans.. fans who want him gone.... Opinion and speculation matey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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