Red-Robbo Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, Woodsy said: Sorry, but **** League 1 **** Gillingham, **** Chesterfield, **** Bradford, **** Walsall, **** Port ******* Vale And especially **** Bristol R*vers and **** Swindon Town, the ******* ***** **** the ******* lot of them I've had a ******* gut full of the ******* lot of them, I don't want to go back Not so sure we'll be seeing Swindon. Plymouth maybe...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Alessandro said: Me neither. Me neither. It's depressing. I've not given up in this season yet either, though. But in my lifetime it will be nothing new to be playing them. We've got out of that league before and we will have to do it again. It's Bristol City doing what Bristol City do Said it before, I do wander if there are certain people out there who prefer us a big Div 3 club, rather than a bottom 1/3rd Div 2 club. I'm sure some will give me some stick for that, but we do the hard work, then piss it all away. We never seem to learn from our mistakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Red-Robbo said: Not so sure we'll be seeing Swindon. Plymouth maybe...... See, not all bad, is it Robbo!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original BBB Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Get rid before the international break later this month, get someone in to work hard with the squad for 2 weeks and lets come out blasting. How Johnson is still employed by us is mind boggling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Woodsy said: It's Bristol City doing what Bristol City do Said it before, I do wander if there are certain people out there who prefer us a big Div 3 club, rather than a bottom 1/3rd Div 2 club. I'm sure some will give me some stick for that, but we do the hard work, then piss it all away. We never seem to learn from our mistakes What is most disappointing this time for me is that we've done all the hard work behind the scenes and we should be competing in this division. I backed SL for giving LJ time, but for me he should be gone already it is frustrating given the early season signs of promise. I know many people lost patience weeks or even months ago, but for me I've maintained some respect of SL (to some degree) for standing by LJ. This respect will be seriously questioned though if LJ is still here next week (unless miracles happen and we win both games). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, Alessandro said: What is most disappointing this time for me is that we've done all the hard work behind the scenes and we should be competing in this division. I backed SL for giving LJ time, but for me he should be gone already it is frustrating given the early season signs of promise. I know many people lost patience weeks or even months ago, but for me I've maintained some respect of SL (to some degree) for standing by LJ. This respect will be seriously questioned though if LJ is still here next week (unless miracles happen and we win both games). Same here, Fulham was my tipping point SL really does need to put his big boy pants on and pull the trigger. If they are as close as we are led to believe LJ will understand the decision. Like his Dad did when his time was up Nothing personal, I really wanted LJ to work. It's business. Bristol City have an awful lot of pissed off (can't believe I'm going to say this) 'customers' right now. No customers, no business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engvall's Splinter Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 As mentioned previously, I've always been thankful to Lansdown. So much so, that I've never felt able to criticise him even when his decisions could be justifiably critiqued. This is unforgivable though. He's divided the fans by and large, removing all hope of escaping the inevitable. So disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Horsman Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 9 minutes ago, Woodsy said: Same here, Fulham was my tipping point SL really does need to put his big boy pants on and pull the trigger. If they are as close as we are led to believe LJ will understand the decision. Like his Dad did when his time was up Nothing personal, I really wanted LJ to work. It's business. Bristol City have an awful lot of pissed off (can't believe I'm going to say this) 'customers' right now. No customers, no business I think many were a bit taken aback by the muted response to Saturday's dire draw, but I genuinely think that people are so deflated and disillusioned by the whole sorry run but particularly the displays against Fulham and Burton, that what may be perceived as apathy is almost a form of football related depression. Exiting the South Stand post-match Saturday, I was surrounded by loyal supporters just shaking their heads and trudging out of the ground in a pained daze. That kind of almost apathetic dejection will more than likely lead to 'customers' voting with their feet, in my opinion, than anything else. Don't worry just about losing the changing room, there's also a danger that the club will lose the goodwill and loyalty of some of their most informed and loyal supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 12 minutes ago, Andy Horsman said: I think many were a bit taken aback by the muted response to Saturday's dire draw, but I genuinely think that people are so deflated and disillusioned by the whole sorry run but particularly the displays against Fulham and Burton, that what may be perceived as apathy is almost a form of football related depression. Exiting the South Stand post-match Saturday, I was surrounded by loyal supporters just shaking their heads and trudging out of the ground in a pained daze. That kind of almost apathetic dejection will lead more likely lead to 'customers' voting with their feet, in my opinion, than anything else. Don't worry just about losing the changing room, there's also a danger that the club will lose the goodwill and loyalty of some of their most informed and loyal supporters. It's those that just drift off quietly in a "pained daze" as you eloquently described that won't just be gone for the season, but possibly never come back. Same with new supporters, imagine if this was your first season as a City fan? There's nothing that'd make you want to come back at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 SL's job is to run the club in its best interests without responding to the kneejerk views of passionate fans. We're no longer anywhere near kneejerk and I'd suggest he's no longer fit to run BCFC. Other than pots of cash, he's lacking the next key attribute. I'd rather be supporting a L1 Bristol City running on a tiny budget in the old ground with proper fans representation than this. **** the Championship or Premier League if it means this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Landsdown is destroying our club What will it take for him to go It is now beyond depressing, and still no statement from our puppet Board or from the puppeteer Disgraceful Just go Now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: I don't know about anyone else but this sorry episode is going to have lasting damage on my relationship with City and particularly my faith in Steve Lansdown. Steve is the custodian of the football club for a relatively short time span, he is lucky enough to be in a position where he can afford to have such control of the club. But his duty is to serve the tens of thousands of supporters of this club and do what's best for the club overall NOT to serve his own personal interests and relationships by giving 'jobs for the boys'. Deep down he must know that this is not working and will not work and surely must have people around him telling him this. Do what's best for the football club, not you or any of your friends Steve. But the real lasting damage will be that I won't forget in a hurry that I now feel it necessary to not attend Ashton Gate again until Lee Johnson is removed from post. That is not a decision I have taken lightly given it is pretty much my main outlet of socialising with mates on a regular basis. But I cannot stand by and watch one man blindly pursue with a faint hope that one day Lee Johnson might turn out to be a good manager. All and sundry can see the clear evidence in front of our eyes that Johnson cannot turn the club around from this position. The question is can Steve Lansdown? I am very pessimistic unfortunately and my hopes have not been raised by my visit to the barber's this morning. Not because the barber accidentally stuck a pair of scissors in my eye, but because a senior employee at AG who is a regular told my barber just a few weeks ago that Johnson is very much here to stay...it's becoming very apparent that that is the case and so it looks like I'm in for an extended stay away from supporting the club I love... Well said mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: I don't know about anyone else but this sorry episode is going to have lasting damage on my relationship with City and particularly my faith in Steve Lansdown. Steve is the custodian of the football club for a relatively short time span, he is lucky enough to be in a position where he can afford to have such control of the club. But his duty is to serve the tens of thousands of supporters of this club and do what's best for the club overall NOT to serve his own personal interests and relationships by giving 'jobs for the boys'. Deep down he must know that this is not working and will not work and surely must have people around him telling him this. Do what's best for the football club, not you or any of your friends Steve. But the real lasting damage will be that I won't forget in a hurry that I now feel it necessary to not attend Ashton Gate again until Lee Johnson is removed from post. That is not a decision I have taken lightly given it is pretty much my main outlet of socialising with mates on a regular basis. But I cannot stand by and watch one man blindly pursue with a faint hope that one day Lee Johnson might turn out to be a good manager. All and sundry can see the clear evidence in front of our eyes that Johnson cannot turn the club around from this position. The question is can Steve Lansdown? I am very pessimistic unfortunately and my hopes have not been raised by my visit to the barber's this morning. Not because the barber accidentally stuck a pair of scissors in my eye, but because a senior employee at AG who is a regular told my barber just a few weeks ago that Johnson is very much here to stay...it's becoming very apparent that that is the case and so it looks like I'm in for an extended stay away from supporting the club I love... Totally agree 100% If we go down without any type of Affirmative action to prevent this, id lose a hell of a lot of faith in SL and how this club is being run. I would be angry. Angry at the club, and angry at the board for what in essence will be allowing us to be relegated without a fight. To seemingly opt to keep a mate in a job who is dragging us down on a whimper then to keep us in the championship and progressing. There is something not right at the club. It is at the very least arrogant and self serving to have your best mate in charge who is clueless rather then make the change for the clubs sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, Atticus said: Totally agree 100% If we go down without any type of Affirmative action to prevent this, id lose a hell of a lot of faith in SL and how this club is being run. I would be angry. Angry at the club, and angry at the board for what in essence will be allowing us to be relegated without a fight. To seemingly opt to keep a mate in a job who is dragging us down on a whimper then to keep us in the championship and progressing. There is something not right at the club. It is at the very least arrogant and self serving to have your best mate in charge who is clueless rather then make the change for the clubs sake. Many we should drop the suffix "club"! Me, me, me. SL's and nobody else's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodburyred Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Next season will be my 10th season as a Season ticket holder. I struggled to get motivation to renew this season, I wont be making the same mistake next season. Unless the club do something drastic to make me want to come back, I cant see that happening personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 19 minutes ago, Andy Horsman said: I think many were a bit taken aback by the muted response to Saturday's dire draw, but I genuinely think that people are so deflated and disillusioned by the whole sorry run but particularly the displays against Fulham and Burton, that what may be perceived as apathy is almost a form of football related depression. Exiting the South Stand post-match Saturday, I was surrounded by loyal supporters just shaking their heads and trudging out of the ground in a pained daze. That kind of almost apathetic dejection will more than likely lead to 'customers' voting with their feet, in my opinion, than anything else. Don't worry just about losing the changing room, there's also a danger that the club will lose the goodwill and loyalty of some of their most informed and loyal supporters. We are moving, so I spent all Saturday packing, then out looking at tv's and the such like. For me, having not sat through it there was just a relief when the score alert came through that we hadn't lost At home. To Burton Albion #makingbristolproud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Well said, Will. I'm also having a hard time seeing SL as the fantastic custodian and benefactor of our club that he is and has been, as opposed to (what he now appears) a custodian of Johnson's career. We're Bristol City FC not Lee Johnson FC. SL is now risking an unprecedented amount for him. As commented in another thread this AM with the transcript from Lansdown's vote of confidence a month ago, I have exhausted every other rational explanation for his persisting with the manager and can't now look beyond the possibility it is because LJ offers SL some level of access/influence. I am not a conspiracy theorist and to say I thought of other explanations isn't just lip-service. People knew my views of the football I've seen all season but I revisited my view of LJ repeatedly in the past 2 months for fear I missed something. Lansdown is a successful businessman. What had he seen? I really can't find anything, and I've tried. I posted elsewhere yesterday my breakdown of the season's problems and my view of the root causes and I can't see any justification or "potential" to justify continued support of LJ. And then I re-read the transcript of SL's answer to being "hands on"... I find it unsettling because it's the only way that things make sense. Good leaders crave influence. Delegation is hard and often superficial. Hire more junior managers and take "an interest" that amounts more to subtle direction of travel. As a businessman, SL would be unusual if he didn't want a say. Lee Johnson should be SL's firewall to all of the problems at the moment. He would be easy to sacrifice unless someone else's fingerprints were all over this. If you are the sounding board pre/post-match and 24 hours later, it is impossible to be entirely passive. And I very much doubt that SL is. Whether deliberate or subconscious, clinging onto LJ (and that is all this is now) only makes sense if there is something unique for SL that he may not get from a replacement. We know how long SL gave his other failing managers. What is different now? Certainly not the football, or the results. I know there are some on here who desperately wanted to be loyal and promote patience. I may not have agreed in the past two months but if there is anything in this, to be honest it does their goodwill a disservice if the owner preaches that same stability but for more personally indulgent motives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 You'll all be back when the team is winning again........that is literally the Business Plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desert Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Yep it's beyond comprehension that our club and its future fortunes have been hijacked by a personal relationship between a generous if stubborn owner and is incompetent spin merchant head coach. Really hard to watch and impossible to stomach. It's simply tearing the club apart.......the silent suits v the vocal fan base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said: Were McInnes, O'Driscoll, Cotterill afforded the same time as Johnson? If this exact same situation had occurred with any of these three men in charge you think they'd still be in post? Exactly. Look at Cotterill. The guy got us two trophies, first league championship in god knows how long and less then a season later he was sacked. Johnson meanwhile has done **** all, lost 9 in a row, spent a damn fortune, has us in the bottom three and has the team playing like they are clueless. That makes me angry tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 13 minutes ago, Olé said: Well said, Will. I'm also having a hard time seeing SL as the fantastic custodian and benefactor of our club that he is and has been, as opposed to (what he now appears) a custodian of Johnson's career. We're Bristol City FC not Lee Johnson FC. SL is now risking an unprecedented amount for him. As commented in another thread this AM with the transcript from Lansdown's vote of confidence a month ago, I have exhausted every other rational explanation for his persisting with the manager and can't now look beyond the possibility it is because LJ offers SL some level of access/influence. I am not a conspiracy theorist and to say I thought of other explanations isn't just lip-service. People knew my views of the football I've seen all season but I revisited my view of LJ repeatedly in the past 2 months for fear I missed something. Lansdown is a successful businessman. What had he seen? I really can't find anything, and I've tried. I posted elsewhere yesterday my breakdown of the season's problems and my view of the root causes and I can't see any justification or "potential" to justify continued support of LJ. And then I re-read the transcript of SL's answer to being "hands on"... I find it unsettling because it's the only way that things make sense. Good leaders crave influence. Delegation is hard and often superficial. Hire more junior managers and take "an interest" that amounts more to subtle direction of travel. As a businessman, SL would be unusual if he didn't want a say. Lee Johnson should be SL's firewall to all of the problems at the moment. He would be easy to sacrifice unless someone else's fingerprints were all over this. If you are the sounding board pre/post-match and 24 hours later, it is impossible to be entirely passive. And I very much doubt that SL is. Whether deliberate or subconscious, clinging onto LJ (and that is all this is now) only makes sense if there is something unique for SL that he may not get from a replacement. We know how long SL gave his other failing managers. What is different now? Certainly not the football, or the results. I know there are some on here who desperately wanted to be loyal and promote patience. I may not have agreed in the past two months but if there is anything in this, to be honest it does their goodwill a disservice if the owner preaches that same stability but for more personally indulgent motives. This is making sense. Just look at the Cotterill situation. When he came in he was Manager. Not head coach. Manager. He wanted the running of the playing side. He wanted and felt he needed full control to make the club progress. At the time, it was Burt's decision wasn't it? It worked. We played exciting football, got some great players in, pissed the league and won the league trophy. Suddenly it starts going wrong. Lack of investment in playing staff. Cotterill blatantly looking incredibly frustrated. And at the first sign of struggle, he is gone. Suddenly Lee Johnson comes in. He is not a manager but "head coach". Doesn't have much in the way of a pedigree and zero championship experience. In the summer, BANG. transfers coming in all over the place. Heavy investment. Why not the season before? We are now terrible. He has gone on a hell of a worse run then Cotterill ever did, yet Johnson keeps his job. I don't believe you have to be a conspiracy theorist to believe that SL and or the board want some kind of input and control over the playing aspect of the club. It would make sense as to why Cotterill was given the boot super quick. Why he was being frustrated in the transfer windows, and why under Johnson we are signing players left right and centre and he is still keeping his job. Remember after we sacked Cotterill we immediately started signing players while having NO manager in place........ It all sits uncomfortably with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 @Olé and @Atticus I was told several weeks ago by somebody who is "close" (I will not say what I mean by that) to one of the club hierarchy that he (ie one of the club hierarchy) has said he could manage the football team and has regular meetings with the Head Coach to discuss the line up for the next game. And that is all I am saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 11 minutes ago, NickJ said: @Olé and @Atticus I was told several weeks ago by somebody who is "close" (I will not say what I mean by that) to one of the club hierarchy that he (ie one of the club hierarchy) has said he could manage the football team and has regular meetings with the Head Coach to discuss the line up for the next game. And that is all I am saying. Good lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 58 minutes ago, Ivorguy said: Landsdown is destroying our club What will it take for him to go It is now beyond depressing, and still no statement from our puppet Board or from the puppeteer Disgraceful Just go Now With respect Ivor, I think you are a bit OTT. He continues to make mistakes, but personally pays for them. I don't like how he is operating, but he is going absolutely nowhere because he believes that he will finally get his glory when Bristol rugby eventually consolidates in the Premiership and Europe, which can be achieved far more cheaply than sustaining a second tier football club. He is playing poker at the moment. He believes that the apathy of the Bristol sporting public will mean that we will suck up any old shite offered up. Whether we stay up or not, the answer is to withdraw your shillings from the club until you are happy with the product on offer. That's what im, doing anyway, but when I do come back I am certain Mr Lansdown will still be there, and on balance, if he acknowledged he has f ucked up with LJ and shows that things are changing I will thank him for his continued support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 18 minutes ago, NickJ said: @Olé and @Atticus I was told several weeks ago by somebody who is "close" (I will not say what I mean by that) to one of the club hierarchy that he (ie one of the club hierarchy) has said he could manage the football team and has regular meetings with the Head Coach to discuss the line up for the next game. And that is all I am saying. Unbelievable. But actually believable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 20 minutes ago, NickJ said: @Olé and @Atticus I was told several weeks ago by somebody who is "close" (I will not say what I mean by that) to one of the club hierarchy that he (ie one of the club hierarchy) has said he could manage the football team and has regular meetings with the Head Coach to discuss the line up for the next game. And that is all I am saying. We're even more ****** than I thought, and I thought we were really ****** already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 41 minutes ago, NickJ said: @Olé and @Atticus I was told several weeks ago by somebody who is "close" (I will not say what I mean by that) to one of the club hierarchy that he (ie one of the club hierarchy) has said he could manage the football team and has regular meetings with the Head Coach to discuss the line up for the next game. And that is all I am saying. Jesus wept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjam!n Ultra Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Jon Lansdown finally being found out then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 That's interesting @NickJ. I was speaking to someone only last week who had been with senior members of the hierarchy of the club pre-game. He spoke about SL meeting LJ after every game he attends, but has never spoken about team selection? Is this what you are inferring? I'm inclined to believe what i've heard, especially as SL doesn't attend every game? Unless i've missed your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFChris Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, Benjam!n Ultra said: Jon Lansdown finally being found out then? How tall is John Lansdown and has he and LJ been seen in the same room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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