Top Robin Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Now don't get me wrong.....I really hope we will have a decent next season and with our form towards the end of the last one and the new players brought in we should do ok. But we kind of thought this at the start of last season and as we know, things went downhill nastily. Will Lee be with us for the duration no matter how bad things get next season....I think he will. He has a lot riding on next season as he has chosen the players, spent a decent amount of money,picked the team, done the training strategy so its all down to him. In short he has now had enough time to create his own side. Lets hope this never comes into the equation but this is Bristol City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 All I ask for IS NOT ANOTHER RELEGATION BATTLE. I'm tired of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortia Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 I'd be willing to bet money that if we're in the relegation zone and doing poor come December, he will certainly be sacked. Quite possibly before that, October/November time. This whole notion of 'invincible LJ' is a bit silly, although admittedly it did seem that way at times last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 16 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said: All I ask for IS NOT ANOTHER RELEGATION BATTLE. I'm tired of them. Tommy, you obviously support the wrong team !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheddarReds Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 17 minutes ago, Distortia said: I'd be willing to bet money that if we're in the relegation zone and doing poor come December, he will certainly be sacked. Quite possibly before that, October/November time. This whole notion of 'invincible LJ' is a bit silly, although admittedly it did seem that way at times last season. Agree he won't last if we start well as most fans will lose patience again quickly. Personally love that we bucked the trend of sack the boss as soon as we have a poor stint, just hope long term it pays off rather than looking back and thinking we just got away with it at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 We start the new season with 3 strikers who have little to no exp in this division and another couple who might not come back at all and one of them is also very light on championship football. I wont mention the goalkeeper situation but another would be good. So Lee will need to find his dream team a bit quicker than last season for us to make a better impression. Cant see even relegation shifting him though; so we go with what we have until SL fancies a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 16 minutes ago, CheddarReds said: Agree he won't last if we start well as most fans will lose patience again quickly. Personally love that we bucked the trend of sack the boss as soon as we have a poor stint, just hope long term it pays off rather than looking back and thinking we just got away with it at the end of the season. Fans displeasure made no difference last season, it wont this season either......and I`m afraid he will be here for a while yet....so we have to go with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_eastender Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 1 minute ago, glos old boy said: We start the new season with 3 strikers who have little to no exp in this division and another couple who might not come back at all and one of them is also very light on championship football. I wont mention the goalkeeper situation but another would be good. So Lee will need to find his dream team a bit quicker than last season for us to make a better impression. Cant see even relegation shifting him though; so we go with what we have until SL fancies a change. Depressing isn't it, the two signings lifted the mood a little, but still can't remember going into a season feeling that the best we can do is to come top of the bottom 6. #Johnson Out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Don Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, old_eastender said: Depressing isn't it, the two signings lifted the mood a little, but still can't remember going into a season feeling that the best we can do is to come top of the bottom 6. #Johnson Out Depends how you look at things. I looks at our excellent start & end to last season and feel we can improve on our position this year, of course the new striker is an unknown quantity but we have a few players that will I feel will kick on this year in Paterson, Brownhill & Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, old_eastender said: Depressing isn't it, the two signings lifted the mood a little, but still can't remember going into a season feeling that the best we can do is to come top of the bottom 6. #Johnson Out Cheer up mate! We've just spent £5.3 million on a striker and smashed our transfer record! Signed a old school itlian full back and will Probaly add a few more to the already promising squad! Fingers crossed we can start the season how we finished the last 15 games! but get the feeling some want us to fail? Not sure why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 I know it's said every year but this season the championship does look harder than ever, villa will surely do better, this year wolves have spent big and Bolton and Sheffield utd are no mugs, but I still feel things will be better than last season, a more consistent one would be the thing I'm looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 I'm no fan of LJ, but it's a but early to talk about when he's going to get sacked. The season hasn't even started yet, so give him the benefit of the doubt for a bit. If we talk about sacking him in July, it will be uproar if we actually lose a match in August Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, Spoons said: Cheer up mate! We've just spent £5.3 million on a striker and smashed our transfer record! Signed a old school itlian full back and will Probaly add a few more to the already promising squad! Fingers crossed we can start the season how we finished the last 15 games! but get the feeling some want us to fail? Not sure why. just so some can said I told you so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 FFS the start of the season can't come soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackson Lamb Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: FFS the start of the season can't come soon enough. So we can sack Johnson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 I would have thought a wretched start for City with a clamour for LJ to be sacked was everything Bristolians wanted. How else are they going to keep their World Champion status of being the most pessimistic moaning b*****ds on the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtimmy11 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 He was in charge of our longest losing run.dismantled a promotion squad and signed 19 average players. Over half our fans don't want him.Even if we went down we were told to like it or lump it by lansdown ,I think he's here for a while yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Mtimmy11 said: He was in charge of our longest losing run.dismantled a promotion squad and signed 19 average players. Over half our fans don't want him.Even if we went down we were told to like it or lump it by lansdown ,I think he's here for a while yet. That's some poll you've run there, @Mtimmy11 - on what basis do you allege that over half of our fans don't want him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 43 minutes ago, glos old boy said: Cant see even relegation shifting him though; so we go with what we have until SL fancies a change. SL will make the change if things don't improve. LJ is in the last chance saloon after last seasons debacle and he knows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, Mtimmy11 said: He was in charge of our longest losing run.dismantled a promotion squad and signed 19 average players. Over half our fans don't want him.Even if we went down we were told to like it or lump it by lansdown ,I think he's here for a while yet. Dismantled the promotion side that the year before also was in a relegation battle. Don't know why that's a stick to beat him with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 47 minutes ago, glos old boy said: We start the new season with 3 strikers who have little to no exp in this division and another couple who might not come back at all and one of them is also very light on championship football. Just like last season then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Robbored said: Just like last season then. And your point is ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 6 minutes ago, Mtimmy11 said: He was in charge of our longest losing run.dismantled a promotion squad and signed 19 average players. Over half our fans don't want him.Even if we went down we were told to like it or lump it by lansdown ,I think he's here for a while yet. Where's the evidence that over half our fans don't want him. I hope nobody is going to refer to any poll conducted by the Post which is derided at every turn on the forum. The more than half that don't want him clearly didn't turn up at Burnley, Newcastle or Brighton or amongst the 20k crowds cheering to the rafters at the Gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t_b Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 6 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: Dismantled the promotion side that the year before also was in a relegation battle. Don't know why that's a stick to beat him with. Quite. Most promoted squads in football often don't translate into capable squads the division up. Some individuals, yes, but not squads. To still have a core of 5/6 within the first team towards the end of last season two years and four windows after promotion? I reckon that is rare these days for successful teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, BigTone said: And your point is ? Three strikers with no SBC experience. At least Taylor now has half a season of SBC experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtimmy11 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Just now, RoystonFoote'snephew said: Where's the evidence that over half our fans don't want him. I hope nobody is going to refer to any poll conducted by the Post which is derided at every turn on the forum. The more than half that don't want him clearly didn't turn up at Burnley, Newcastle or Brighton or amongst the 20k crowds cheering to the rafters at the Gate. I did turn up to all those, but I still don't want him in charge when s.c. got the bullet I really thought we were about to reach for the stars .Then we headhunted the little one .Ambition my ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Robbored said: Three strikers with no SBC experience. At least Taylor now has half a season of SBC experience. and scored goals for fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Think we will be midtable and LJ the manager whole season. New striker, italian rb. Odowda, Brownhill, Paterson, Hegeler maybe Engvall and others. Think it looks ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Let's have it right, LJ could deliver on his talk of Europa League in 5 years* or whatever it was, and there would still be posters on here who don't want him as manager. * And no, I don't think he will either before anyone starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 6 minutes ago, BigTone said: and scored goals for fun None of us have a crystal ball so we have no idea how next season will go but if otib is known for anything it's known for the wild speculation based on guesswork we see on here. This time every year I'm cautiously optimistic about the upcoming campaign and I'm exactly the same again. Im hoping (again) for a decent season with a chance of the pray-offs come the last 15 games or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 34 minutes ago, Mtimmy11 said: He was in charge of our longest losing run.dismantled a promotion squad and signed 19 average players. Over half our fans don't want him.Even if we went down we were told to like it or lump it by lansdown ,I think he's here for a while yet. that same promotion winning squad that had us 5 points a drift at the bottom of the championship looking dead and burried and got cotts the sack, which lee then came in and saved us...........twice (once of his own making) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 45 minutes ago, pongo88 said: I'm no fan of LJ, but it's a but early to talk about when he's going to get sacked. The season hasn't even started yet, so give him the benefit of the doubt for a bit. If we talk about sacking him in July, it will be uproar if we actually lose a match in August Unfortunately, for some on here it's never to early to talk about when LJ is going to be sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, Robbored said: None of us have a crystal ball so we have no idea how next season will go but if otib is known for anything it's known for the wild speculation based on guesswork we see on here. This time every year I'm cautiously optimistic about the upcoming campaign and I'm exactly the same again. Im hoping (again) for a decent season with a chance of the pray-offs come the last 15 games or so. and I dream of finding Kylie Minogue AND Dolly naked in my Xmas stocking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 38 minutes ago, Mtimmy11 said: He was in charge of our longest losing run.dismantled a promotion squad and signed 19 average players. Over half our fans don't want him.Even if we went down we were told to like it or lump it by lansdown ,I think he's here for a while yet. You do realise that a League One promotion squad does not equate to a Championship promotion squad don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 1 minute ago, ChippenhamRed said: You do realise that a League One promotion squad does not equate to a Championship promotion squad don't you? How do we know as it was dismantled ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 25 minutes ago, Mtimmy11 said: I did turn up to all those, but I still don't want him in charge when s.c. got the bullet I really thought we were about to reach for the stars .Then we headhunted the little one .Ambition my ass language timothy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 1 hour ago, glos old boy said: We start the new season with 3 strikers who have little to no exp in this division and another couple who might not come back at all and one of them is also very light on championship football. I wont mention the goalkeeper situation but another would be good. So Lee will need to find his dream team a bit quicker than last season for us to make a better impression. Cant see even relegation shifting him though; so we go with what we have until SL fancies a change. It is utter nonsense to suggest that he would still be here if we were to be relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 1 minute ago, BigTone said: How do we know as it was dismantled ? I'm not certain if you're joking or not. I'll assume you're not and point out that a squad largely unchanged from the promotion side was 23rd when LJ arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Acton Red Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 22 minutes ago, BigTone said: and scored goals for fun I think Taylor will do ok next season,he has a lot to prove and will be hungry to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Just now, FramptonRed said: I think Taylor will do ok next season,he has a lot to prove and will be hungry to succeed. Those in Row Z will be relieved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 36 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: Where's the evidence that over half our fans don't want him. I hope nobody is going to refer to any poll conducted by the Post which is derided at every turn on the forum. The more than half that don't want him clearly didn't turn up at Burnley, Newcastle or Brighton or amongst the 20k crowds cheering to the rafters at the Gate. I don't necessarily agree with the claim but assuming attendance equates to support for the manager is a pretty weak argument to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Notgetinya Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 We could try and get behind him - mental idea I know! The negativity is overwhelming at times. I think with what we have right at this moment we are a good GK away from a decent side. An extra speedster if I'm being greedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortia Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 46 minutes ago, Mtimmy11 said: He was in charge of our longest losing run.dismantled a promotion squad and signed 19 average players. Over half our fans don't want him.Even if we went down we were told to like it or lump it by lansdown ,I think he's here for a while yet. This 'dismantling' then.. Sold Derrick Williams to Blackburn, where he got relegated and clearly hasn't set the world alight. Looks like he'll be a League 1 defender this season. Sold Kieran Agard to MK Dons, where he has an average (at best) scoring record, and finished 12th in League 1. Again, League 1 player this season. Sold Luke Freeman to QPR. Seems like he has performed okay there. I think most would agree he didn't really make the step up to Championship standard while he was with us. Personally I don't think we miss him at all. Sold Luke Ayling to Leeds. This, in hindsight, could well be seen as a bad deal. Has done well at Leeds and could've been very useful as a RB this season, with Matthews a clear dud. Released Osbourne, El-Abd and Wagstaff. All dropped divisions to find a club, none of them in the Championship since. So, 6/8 playing in a division below, which appear to have found their level. A division or two below the current squad. So I'm not sure your point is valid at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 This is one of the most bizarre threads I've seen in a while. The facts are that we have signed two players - one of whom seems an upgrade on paper (Pisano), one of whom will be doing well to replace his predecessor but seemed a signing that we couldn't pull off so we have to be optimistic. We've stated we want one or two more quality players rather than buffering the squad. That seems sensible as it allows younger players who have shown promise like COD & Brownhill more opportunity. If you believe the grapevine, that's upgrades in midfield & in goal. We ended the season in good form. I'm not a LJ total defender, but I think when he stopped tinkering then things worked. The quality addition front rather than major surgery has to be sensible. Theres slating of Taylor here who was key to our good form at the end of the season. Could he have scored more? Yep - but he contributed in spades. This comes down to two things - do you think LJ has learnt from last season, and do you think with the right two additions we can markedly improve on last year. For me, it's yes to both (I hope). But after the end to the season, and without seeing who he signs and the impact in the first part of next year, hash tags of Johnson out just seem a bit silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Robin Posted July 4, 2017 Author Share Posted July 4, 2017 12 minutes ago, Distortia said: This 'dismantling' then.. Sold Derrick Williams to Blackburn, where he got relegated and clearly hasn't set the world alight. Looks like he'll be a League 1 defender this season. Sold Kieran Agard to MK Dons, where he has an average (at best) scoring record, and finished 12th in League 1. Again, League 1 player this season. Sold Luke Freeman to QPR. Seems like he has performed okay there. I think most would agree he didn't really make the step up to Championship standard while he was with us. Personally I don't think we miss him at all. Sold Luke Ayling to Leeds. This, in hindsight, could well be seen as a bad deal. Has done well at Leeds and could've been very useful as a RB this season, with Matthews a clear dud. Released Osbourne, El-Abd and Wagstaff. All dropped divisions to find a club, none of them in the Championship since. So, 6/8 playing in a division below, which appear to have found their level. A division or two below the current squad. So I'm not sure your point is valid at all. I would say that all of them were either inconsistent or poor for us. The two stand out ones, Freeman and Ayling, had the odd decent game but plenty of poor ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtimmy11 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 I know it's along shot but say the gas were in the top 6of the championship and we are plodding along like we are,do your think we would still happy clapping little lee after anouther lack luster performance.I dont like to say it but I think the gas in the same league as us might get us going for it.little Lee's target this season don't forget is to finish halfway with a owner only worth 1.4billion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, Mtimmy11 said: I know it's along shot but say the gas were in the top 6of the championship and we are plodding along like we are,do your think we would still happy clapping little lee after anouther lack luster performance.I dont like to say it but I think the gas in the same league as us might get us going for it.little Lee's target this season don't forget is to finish halfway with a owner only worth 1.4billion You are clearly deluded! You should want bcfc to do well whoever is in charge? You seem to want LJ to be in charge just to watch him fail. Very odd, maybe just stay away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richwilkins50 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 We could do a huddersfield? A dream I know but still..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Mtimmy11 said: I know it's along shot but say the gas were in the top 6of the championship and we are plodding along like we are,do your think we would still happy clapping little lee after anouther lack luster performance.I dont like to say it but I think the gas in the same league as us might get us going for it.little Lee's target this season don't forget is to finish halfway with a owner only worth 1.4billion There may be a case to be made on both sides but I'm afraid as soon as someone resorts to childish phrases like 'Little Lee' any case they might have is fatally undermined. Likewise if they start using terms like 'moaner' and 'happy clapper' in place of reasoned argument. Perhaps we should save any debate until we've actually played some games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortia Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 22 minutes ago, Top Robin said: I would say that all of them were either inconsistent or poor for us. The two stand out ones, Freeman and Ayling, had the odd decent game but plenty of poor ones. Agreed. I didn't oppose to any of the sales listed. Ayling could've done a decent job, but that's more in hindsight than anything else. At the time I was happy for him to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Distortia said: Agreed. I didn't oppose to any of the sales listed. Ayling could've done a decent job, but that's more in hindsight than anything else. At the time I was happy for him to leave. Yeah in hindsight Ayling may be a mistake, but at the time he was let go we were assuming that Matthews would be a good signing as opposed to the disinterested wage thief that he ended up being. Then Little spending a fair bit of time out injured didn't help either. Besides, I suspect Ayling's days were numbered regardless after the Cheltenham incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 1 hour ago, BigTone said: and I dream of finding Kylie Minogue AND Dolly naked in my Xmas stocking And your point is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmersonsRed Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 2 hours ago, Spoons said: Cheer up mate! We've just spent £5.3 million on a striker and smashed our transfer record! Signed a old school itlian full back and will Probaly add a few more to the already promising squad! Fingers crossed we can start the season how we finished the last 15 games! but get the feeling some want us to fail? Not sure why. Stop speaking sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 36 minutes ago, Mtimmy11 said: I know it's along shot but say the gas were in the top 6of the championship and we are plodding along like we are,do your think we would still happy clapping little lee after anouther lack luster performance.I dont like to say it but I think the gas in the same league as us might get us going for it.little Lee's target this season don't forget is to finish halfway with a owner only worth 1.4billion Conveniently ignoring the well constructed arguments against your claims of "dismantling" the promotion squad I see. I didn't see much "happy clapping" when we were at our lowest ebb last year. As for "another lacklustre performance", could it be that you might just be focussing on the mid part of the season and ignoring the rest, most notably our strong finish? In short; utter drivel. Tip: avoiding phrases like "Little Lee" might give you a better chance of being taken seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Monkeh said: that same promotion winning squad that had us 5 points a drift at the bottom of the championship looking dead and burried and got cotts the sack, which lee then came in and saved us...........twice (once of his own making) Are you claiming that we were '5 points adrift and bottom of Championship' when LJ was appointed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hantsred Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 It is clear that Lansdown will be looking to see progression from both the team and the coaching/management side in the first few months of the new season. A section of fans including myself could see the benefit of sticking by a young and relatively inexperienced manager. He was still finding his feet and was an elemental part of the wider project, and thus was given extra slack when others wanted the noose tightened. As the big money is being spent and the time ticks away, you have to feel that he has used up his only 'get out of jail card' and that a return to the bottom reaches of the table will cost him dear. But I don't expect us to be there, i think we will be a tougher more experienced outfit, able to grind out results when perhaps last season we would have let it slip. Younger players who are that much more wiser and stronger, less fragile when things don't go right. Backed by a manager who understands he has to do the basics right before he can think about playing the maestro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 We know that there were discussions about his position at board level last season, Lansdown said as much, which he didn't have to. And even if he hadn't, you'd have to be very naive to think it wasn't talked about despite the repeated public backing of LJ by the owner. That's why I don't buy the "he'll be here even if we go down" mantra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 2 hours ago, Distortia said: This 'dismantling' then.. Sold Derrick Williams to Blackburn, where he got relegated and clearly hasn't set the world alight. Looks like he'll be a League 1 defender this season. Sold Kieran Agard to MK Dons, where he has an average (at best) scoring record, and finished 12th in League 1. Again, League 1 player this season. Sold Luke Freeman to QPR. Seems like he has performed okay there. I think most would agree he didn't really make the step up to Championship standard while he was with us. Personally I don't think we miss him at all. Sold Luke Ayling to Leeds. This, in hindsight, could well be seen as a bad deal. Has done well at Leeds and could've been very useful as a RB this season, with Matthews a clear dud. Released Osbourne, El-Abd and Wagstaff. All dropped divisions to find a club, none of them in the Championship since. So, 6/8 playing in a division below, which appear to have found their level. A division or two below the current squad. So I'm not sure your point is valid at all. Just wanted to add that Derrick Williams was voted Blackburn Player of the Year. Ayling was a bad transfer, irrespective of hindsight. Underrated. --------------------- Re LJ, I'm still to be convinced, but I'm sat here in the first week of July, quite happy with our early transfer business. Most if not all of us saw RB and CF as priority positions and we've brought in two 'starters', not ones for the future or squad players (imho). I think there will be 1 more 'starter' (possibly 2) to come, but also equal going the other way. The clamour for another Prem loan I'm not convinced about. I think the demands about playing time may work against us. City and Chelsea got lucky with Tammy to some extent. I'll caveat this by saying that if someone like a Bryan left, then you could see a young left back coming on loan. Lee has said he's happy with his squad, and I actually believe him...not that he won't want it to be stronger, but only if the right player is available at the right money. I actually see this year's division being a bit tighter all around. I don't see Villa, Sunderland, Boro etc, doing a Brighton / Newcastle who after 10 games rarely came under much pressure for auto promotion all season. I'm quite interested to see how Bolton, Sheffield Utd and Millwall do. This year in particular I'd be very disappointed if any of them finish above us. 2 years on, we really should be better placed to do better than these promoted clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo1111 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 He has used up all of his lives and some of some other managers as well i think. Bottom 4 or 5 after 10 / 12 games this coming season and surely he has to go. That said im crossing everything that this time around we can finally achieve the holly grail i.e. mid table championship obscurity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 2 hours ago, Monkeh said: that same promotion winning squad that had us 5 points a drift at the bottom of the championship looking dead and burried and got cotts the sack, which lee then came in and saved us...........twice (once of his own making) We were 22nd, third bottom, two points adrift of fourth bottom MK Dons after losing to Preston (and Cotts was sacked. 2 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said: I'm not certain if you're joking or not. I'll assume you're not and point out that a squad largely unchanged from the promotion side was 23rd when LJ arrived. We were 20th, fifth bottom, 3 points clear, after winning at Charlton, when LJ arrived. He took up his role from that day onwards. We were bad under Cotts, but not quite as bad (in terms of points, placing, and "adriftness") or as "gone" as some people now imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 2 hours ago, Distortia said: This 'dismantling' then.. Sold Derrick Williams to Blackburn, where he got relegated and clearly hasn't set the world alight. Looks like he'll be a League 1 defender this season. Sold Kieran Agard to MK Dons, where he has an average (at best) scoring record, and finished 12th in League 1. Again, League 1 player this season. Sold Luke Freeman to QPR. Seems like he has performed okay there. I think most would agree he didn't really make the step up to Championship standard while he was with us. Personally I don't think we miss him at all. Sold Luke Ayling to Leeds. This, in hindsight, could well be seen as a bad deal. Has done well at Leeds and could've been very useful as a RB this season, with Matthews a clear dud. Released Osbourne, El-Abd and Wagstaff. All dropped divisions to find a club, none of them in the Championship since. So, 6/8 playing in a division below, which appear to have found their level. A division or two below the current squad. So I'm not sure your point is valid at all. 2 hours ago, Top Robin said:I would say that all of them were either inconsistent or poor for us. The two stand out ones, Freeman and Ayling, had the odd decent game but plenty of poor ones. There is a certain amount of truth as above, however arguments about who went and why are pretty moot. Including Kodjia who was missed by us and the post above We had the worst run in our clubs history and could not buy a win. LJ spent money on players most of whom have a bucket load to prove netxt season. LJ will not get that latitude again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Horsman Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 New season and a clean-ish slate. I didn't mind LJ as a player and had no objection to him as City boss. I want him to take the club forward and succeed. He has however, in my opinion, naively created a rod for his own back with his much quoted 'three transfer windows' statement. If the season doesn't start well, and the August fixtures are not easy, and the team and formation is chopped and changed then the atmosphere will become toxic very, very quickly. I hope that isn't the scenario obviously, but should that happen SL may have no other option than sack his buddy and cut his losses. As it stands I'm impressed with the two signings and hope the team start well and get to 50+ points as soon as possible!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortia Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Just now, REDOXO said: There is a certain amount of truth as above, however arguments about who went and why are pretty moot. Including Kodjia who was missed by us and the post above We had the worst run in our clubs history and could not buy a win. LJ spent money on players most of whom have a bucket load to prove netxt season. LJ will not get that latitude again. Well the post I replied to was saying how Johnson sold players from the League 1 winning side - which Kodjia wasn't a part of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GIBBO THE GREAT Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 4 hours ago, Top Robin said: Now don't get me wrong.....I really hope we will have a decent next season and with our form towards the end of the last one and the new players brought in we should do ok. But we kind of thought this at the start of last season and as we know, things went downhill nastily. Will Lee be with us for the duration no matter how bad things get next season....I think he will. He has a lot riding on next season as he has chosen the players, spent a decent amount of money,picked the team, done the training strategy so its all down to him. In short he has now had enough time to create his own side. Lets hope this never comes into the equation but this is Bristol City. Johnson out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 3 hours ago, tommy_b said: Quite. Most promoted squads in football often don't translate into capable squads the division up. Some individuals, yes, but not squads. To still have a core of 5/6 within the first team towards the end of last season two years and four windows after promotion? I reckon that is rare these days for successful teams. Are you implying that we now are a successful team? Or not? My view is that we have too many left to take us any great distance up this league. I would say that we were just a teeny weeny bit successful in two consecutive seasons for staying up. Although it's hardly anything to get overjoyed about. I suppose most on here will know that I'm not madly in love with LJ as the City Head Coach. Like son, like father for me. But he's here for as long as Lansdown wants him, so while I did renew, it's because after 67 years of watching City, what else would I do on Saturday afternoons. Not because I expect any better than last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 42 minutes ago, GIBBO THE GREAT said: Johnson out Kim Jong-un OUT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Benjam!n Ultra Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 SL has rolled his final dice on lJ with the signing of a £5.3m striker from another country when it would have been safer, though not guaranteed as we've seen in the past two years, to have gone with Championship experience. As with those last two seasons it's been a 20 goal plus striker in each which has saved our bacon - one offensively described as an 18 year old educated striker and the other an actual 18 year old. It's not been tactic that's saved us. If Dheidou fails to hit the ground running, and the past 24 months have shown we can't afford him not to, then City will be in the bottom 3 and no doubt about it, survival will then depend on whether SL keeps him (he won't beyond November imo) or how long it takes for one of our strikers to start scoring at the rate of Tammy or Kodjia. Ultimately though LJ can have no complaints. He's now been given his three transfer windows and backed like no other, but if you ain't got it then I'm afraid you ain't got it and he won't be as lucky this time round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 9 minutes ago, Benjam!n Ultra said: SL has rolled his final dice on lJ with the signing of a £5.3m striker from another country when it would have been safer, though not guaranteed as we've seen in the past two years, to have gone with Championship experience. As with those last two seasons it's been a 20 goal plus striker in each which has saved our bacon - one offensively described as an 18 year old educated striker and the other an actual 18 year old. It's not been tactic that's saved us. If Dheidou fails to hit the ground running, and the past 24 months have shown we can't afford him not to, then City will be in the bottom 3 and no doubt about it, survival will then depend on whether SL keeps him (he won't beyond November imo) or how long it takes for one of our strikers to start scoring at the rate of Tammy or Kodjia. Ultimately though LJ can have no complaints. He's now been given his three transfer windows and backed like no other, but if you ain't got it then I'm afraid you ain't got it and he won't be as lucky this time round. you mean like we did with Tammy and Kodja........oh wait a second, what about when we signed the experienced stern john oh wait he was shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Benjam!n Ultra Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, Monkeh said: you mean like we did with Tammy and Kodja........oh wait a second, what about when we signed the experienced stern john oh wait he was shit If you'd have properly processed my post without windmilling immediately you'll see i said it's no guarantee. I even highlighted Tammy and Kodjia in the paragraph you've bolded FFS!! But not sure how anyone can deny signing a £5m Championship experienced striker is more a risk than the same amount for one from another league without any experience of the Championship. They're all risks, no doubt, but there's ways of minimising the risks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oops Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 How about a bit of optimism? Nothing but pathetic digs and 'woe is me' attention seeking bullshit as always. Johnson IN. You tiresome ******* belters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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