LondonBristolian Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: You're incorrect. It's not just a historical definition. We often hear about 'the rape of the countryside' for instance. Inappropriateness is subjective, and there's nothing contentious here unless you choose to seek it. The English language can be beautiful, other times less so, but, like it or not, by definition the word used was appropriate in the context given. I'm not sure "rape" is used in that context as often as you think. Technically it's correct but people sensibly choose not to use it because "rape" tends to bring up other meanings far more vividly. The poster has apologised and clarified what they said, and personally I'm not really sure on the benefit of continuing a debate about it. Someone used a term and someone else suggested they use a different term instead. I am sure the first poster meant no harm by what they said but think the second poster was well within their rights to suggest there could have been a better turn of phrase used. Personally I don't see any need to turn that into a bigger issue than it needs to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 36 minutes ago, poland_exile said: Apologies to those I have offended, clearly making light of sexual violence was not my intention - I'm unable to be express myself as eloquently as @Nogbad the Bad did in his statement, suffice to say i feel like a dinosaur. Sorry! He's having a go at the dinosaurs now . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Going back to the thread title, it would be a bit disappointing but there are precedents for Cup Runs causing this before both with our club and others, so it wouldn't be a surprise. More to the point, would this still be seen as a successful season? It only seems a few months ago when a lot of people on here said they just wanted to be entertained, promotion or not. It's definitely been entertaining! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted January 17, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 hours ago, steveybadger said: Sure, you are of course correct. As you also say i'd still probably avoid it if there was an alternative that could be used, given the way it could be perceived. I perceived it exactly as the poster intended, the context it was used in didn’t lead to any other interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 30 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said: I perceived it exactly as the poster intended, the context it was used in didn’t lead to any other interpretation. I'm glad you did but I disagree that the context prevented any other interpretation. Regardless, it was just a suggestion to be careful in the language you use; the poster has said he had no intention to offend and I never thought that was the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted January 17, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, steveybadger said: I'm glad you did but I disagree that the context prevented any other interpretation. Regardless, it was just a suggestion to be careful in the language you use; the poster has said he had no intention to offend and I never thought that was the case. Maybe it’s an age thing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Black in August, even the end of August this position, Cup run and quality of play was but a dream IMO. Now? Even 10th could be a 7/10 season, considering all the positivity to date, provided we keep doing it right on and off the pitch. Maybe 6/10, 6 or 7 anyway? Now though...Still in a good position, added 2 young talents in Walsh and Kent (I know Kent not permanent) and all the injuries to return adding depth, rotation options, talent and versatility, you have to say missing out would be disappointing indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 If we didn't reach the playoffs I wouldn't be upset. I'd be a bit disappointed, but not upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 49 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said: Maybe it’s an age thing.... You, me or him?!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted January 17, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, steveybadger said: You, me or him?!!! Take your pick, I only know how old I am..... Anyway, it made much more sense than the original post in this thread, which was something that even surpassed our Swedish Moonshine testers ramblings in his second language - I don’t think even Tommy has ever posted anything that incoherent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said: Take your pick, I only know how old I am..... Anyway, it made much more sense than the original post in this thread, which was something that even surpassed our Swedish Moonshine testers ramblings in his second language - I don’t think even Tommy has ever posted anything that incoherent! And that is some statement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Window Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 At about the same time as this post, OP (Ayteomike2) posted "Johnson to take us to the prem". Funny that this (-ve) one has way traffic than that +ve one, hey ho. Getting to the playoffs is not going to lead to defection of star players; promotion is. 6th or 7th on GD: who cares. Who wants playoffs anyway. Most on here are in bits with a friendly vs Mangotsfield. If we're in playoffs, half of us will have seizures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Personally I will be delighted if we don't, bad enough not getting promoted without losing in another Wembley Final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: Personally I will be delighted if we don't, bad enough not getting promoted without losing in another Wembley Final. That’s the Spirit !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: Personally I will be delighted if we don't, bad enough not getting promoted without losing in another Wembley Final. Agreed, it's probably actually best if we lose 5 on the trot now, slip out of contention and go on a good run at the end of the season finishing 8th. Puts us in a good place for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 50 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: Personally I will be delighted if we don't, bad enough not getting promoted without losing in another Wembley Final. And if we did lose you just know it would be to Cardiff with the winning goal coming from a free kick scored by one of their substitutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldlandReddies Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Upset, no. DisappoInted, yes. From what we have shown nearly 2/3rds in, we are plenty good enough for top 6. Auto ? Maybe not but if we win Friday..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadredfred Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Before the season started I'd have happily taken mid table obscurity. Progress. Anything to not be flirting with relegation or tearing my hair out at LJ's tombola selections. Considering the seasons first half, the cup run, the momentum and the general positive vibe, it would be disappointing to now not make the play-offs now. I hope January was our blip (fixture congestion and injuries) and we can continue in our first half form. If we can't, and our recent form is indicative of our second half of the season progress, slipping out of the play offs as a result, it'll still be a positive season because of the highs we've reached. That bodes well in itself as to where we are heading as a team and as a club. My only worry is around retaining some of the players that have got us here. But now, and for the first time in a long while, I feel like this side of the club can be left to it to do a good job. If players leave it'll be for good fees that'll be wisely reinvested. Lets change the question: Promotion via payoffs (typo intended) but lose Joe, Flint and Bobby in the summer. OR Fail in the playoffs, retaining the current side to go again next season. As much as I'd love promotion (the finance for the club, sustainability, profile raising, testing ourselves against the best etc)......I'd love it in order to see THIS TEAM in the EPL, not a bunch of newbies who had no part in getting us there. The excitement surrounding the cup run is that it's our team vs Man United and City. It's Flint marking Aguero, it's Bobby skinning Stones, and it's Brownhill coasting past Yaya. For me, a huge part of how good this season has been is to see how much it means to this team. Not sure I'd blindly trade that all for promotion. But I'll probably change my mind by the morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 I think we will finish top Six. Worried about the usual team or two that have a late run, usually Reading or Fulham. For the record, Taylor will score the winning goal in the Pray off final Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryans Left Peg Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 hours ago, deadredfred said: Before the season started I'd have happily taken mid table obscurity. Progress. Anything to not be flirting with relegation or tearing my hair out at LJ's tombola selections. Considering the seasons first half, the cup run, the momentum and the general positive vibe, it would be disappointing to now not make the play-offs now. I hope January was our blip (fixture congestion and injuries) and we can continue in our first half form. If we can't, and our recent form is indicative of our second half of the season progress, slipping out of the play offs as a result, it'll still be a positive season because of the highs we've reached. That bodes well in itself as to where we are heading as a team and as a club. My only worry is around retaining some of the players that have got us here. But now, and for the first time in a long while, I feel like this side of the club can be left to it to do a good job. If players leave it'll be for good fees that'll be wisely reinvested. Lets change the question: Promotion via payoffs (typo intended) but lose Joe, Flint and Bobby in the summer. OR Fail in the playoffs, retaining the current side to go again next season. As much as I'd love promotion (the finance for the club, sustainability, profile raising, testing ourselves against the best etc)......I'd love it in order to see THIS TEAM in the EPL, not a bunch of newbies who had no part in getting us there. The excitement surrounding the cup run is that it's our team vs Man United and City. It's Flint marking Aguero, it's Bobby skinning Stones, and it's Brownhill coasting past Yaya. For me, a huge part of how good this season has been is to see how much it means to this team. Not sure I'd blindly trade that all for promotion. But I'll probably change my mind by the morning Promotion via payoffs (typo intended) but lose Joe, Flint and Bobby in the summer. Every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 hours ago, 1bristolcity said: Personally I will be delighted if we don't, bad enough not getting promoted without losing in another Wembley Final. Will be gutted if we lose two Wembley finals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 On 1/17/2018 at 17:32, LondonBristolian said: I'm not sure "rape" is used in that context as often as you think. Technically it's correct but people sensibly choose not to use it because "rape" tends to bring up other meanings far more vividly. The poster has apologised and clarified what they said, and personally I'm not really sure on the benefit of continuing a debate about it. Someone used a term and someone else suggested they use a different term instead. I am sure the first poster meant no harm by what they said but think the second poster was well within their rights to suggest there could have been a better turn of phrase used. Personally I don't see any need to turn that into a bigger issue than it needs to be. It is you who is continuing the debate, @LondonBristolian and turning it into a bigger issue than it needs to be. Let's be clear, @poland_exile was not in the wrong, had no need to clarify what he said, and certainly had nothing to apologise for. By definition it was an appropriate word to use in the context given, and the poster who originally questioned it's use, @steveybadger accepted that. That you still feel the need to show 'disapproval' at it's use by continuing the debate indicates the problem lies with your own sensitivities, something which is completely irrelevant to the facts. You should perhaps consider refraining from pushing your personal interpretation of what is acceptable onto others and seeking retractions, especially in a case like this when a definition of the word, in common usage, proves you to be the one demonstrably in the wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snufflelufagus Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 Its a very interesting one for me. I think I'd actually be more disappointed to make the Playoff final and lose than I would be if we finished 7th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 53 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: It is you who is continuing the debate, @LondonBristolian and turning it into a bigger issue than it needs to be. Let's be clear, @poland_exile was not in the wrong, had no need to clarify what he said, and certainly had nothing to apologise for. By definition it was an appropriate word to use in the context given, and the poster who originally questioned it's use, @steveybadger accepted that. That you still feel the need to show 'disapproval' at it's use by continuing the debate indicates the problem lies with your own sensitivities, something which is completely irrelevant to the facts. You should perhaps consider refraining from pushing your personal interpretation of what is acceptable onto others and seeking retractions, especially in a case like this when a definition of the word, in common usage, proves you to be the one demonstrably in the wrong. Nogbad i don't want to drag this out but to clarify (respectfully); saying i thought it was 'appropriate' isn't the word i'd use - i agreed with you that the use of the word was literally correct in the context of the sentence. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, steveybadger said: Nogbad i don't want to drag this out but to clarify (respectfully); saying i thought it was 'appropriate' isn't the word i'd use - i agreed with you that the use of the word was literally correct in the context of the sentence. Cheers Fair enough Stevey. Point taken that although you accepted it was correct usage in context you'd still avoid it for an alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Nogbad the Bad said: It is you who is continuing the debate, @LondonBristolian and turning it into a bigger issue than it needs to be. Let's be clear, @poland_exile was not in the wrong, had no need to clarify what he said, and certainly had nothing to apologise for. By definition it was an appropriate word to use in the context given, and the poster who originally questioned it's use, @steveybadger accepted that. That you still feel the need to show 'disapproval' at it's use by continuing the debate indicates the problem lies with your own sensitivities, something which is completely irrelevant to the facts. You should perhaps consider refraining from pushing your personal interpretation of what is acceptable onto others and seeking retractions, especially in a case like this when a definition of the word, in common usage, proves you to be the one demonstrably in the wrong. I do not see how a single word of you have written here relates to what I have written. I do not know whether I did not make myself clear enough or whether you have misinterpreted me but what you have said has absolutely no bearing on what I have said. That said, I have no interest in continuing this discussion any further. The original poster apologised for any misunderstanding and clarified his point and that is the end of it. Please stop projecting your feelings about other people or social issues or whatever else onto me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: That said, I have no interest in continuing this discussion any further. The original poster apologised for any misunderstanding and clarified his point and that is the end of it. On the whole there was no misunderstanding, and there was certainly no reason for the original poster to apologise. Your position was to appear to be put out and somehow aggrieved at his use of a perfectly reasonable word in context and it strikes me as unacceptable that the original poster felt pressurised to apologise when, imo, and by definition, he had said nothing wrong. You say he 'could have used a better turn of phrase', that may be so in your opinion, but you have no right to insist on that, attempt to dictate what people should or shouldn't say, or seek retraction or apology. Good that your interest in the discussion is at an end, it had only continued this far due to you taking an unnecessary and erroneous lecturing stance. The word was correctly used in context; everything else - so just about everything you've been minded to contribute to the thread - is irrelevant. Over and out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 E 16 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: On the whole there was no misunderstanding, and there was certainly no reason for the original poster to apologise. Your position was to appear to be put out and somehow aggrieved at his use of a perfectly reasonable word in context and it strikes me as unacceptable that the original poster felt pressurised to apologise when, imo, and by definition, he had said nothing wrong. You say he 'could have used a better turn of phrase', that may be so in your opinion, but you have no right to insist on that, attempt to dictate what people should or shouldn't say, or seek retraction or apology. Good that your interest in the discussion is at an end, it had only continued this far due to you taking an unnecessary and erroneous lecturing stance. The word was correctly used in context; everything else - so just about everything you've been minded to contribute to the thread - is irrelevant. Over and out. Either actually read what people write or do not comment on it. I do not mind which. But commenting based on things people have not actually said serves no purpose whatsoever. But let’s leave it there as we are going round in circles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 Mods can you please delete a lot of this rubbish on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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