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I see that Cole Skuse has signed a new contract with Ipswich, but also not only that he has the highest number of interceptions (62) in the Championship this season, but that that is more than any player in any of the top five leagues in Europe (Premier, La Liga,  Bundesliga, Serie A, Ligue 1).  Hard to think of a player who is more appreciate by his club, but who is as far out of the spotlight as Cole.

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37 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

I see that Cole Skuse has signed a new contract with Ipswich, but also not only that he has the highest number of interceptions (62) in the Championship this season, but that that is more than any player in any of the top five leagues in Europe (Premier, La Liga,  Bundesliga, Serie A, Ligue 1).  Hard to think of a player who is more appreciate by his club, but who is as far out of the spotlight as Cole.

His contribution at City unfortunately went unappreciated by many fans. Always a class player but I'm disappointed he signed a new  deal with the Tractor Boys. I was hoping he'd resign for City in the summer.

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3 minutes ago, Robbored said:

His contribution at City unfortunately went unappreciated by many fans. Always a class player but I'm disappointed he signed a new  deal with the Tractor Boys. I was hoping he'd resign for City in the summer.

Yeah, at 32, a good squad option, and naturally progress into the coaching set-up.

Typical player / style that goes unappreciated.  Look at some poster’s view of Korey Smith, and the marmite Marlon Pack....and look at what we miss when they aren’t there.

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Good news because it should put to bed rumours of him returning to AG as a player, something which would be a backwards move for BCFC and go against the stated policy of signing young improvers.

Though generally solid CS was nowhere near as influential as his most ardent fans like @Robbored would have us believe and his gradual stagnation at AG was particularly evident in his last season with us.

When you refuse to sign a new contract with a club there should be no prospect of a return as a player imo.

There seems little doubt he will return in the future as a member of the coaching staff and, if he genuinely has something to offer in that respect, it will be a welcome homecoming.

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57 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

I see that Cole Skuse has signed a new contract with Ipswich, but also not only that he has the highest number of interceptions (62) in the Championship this season, but that that is more than any player in any of the top five leagues in Europe (Premier, La Liga,  Bundesliga, Serie A, Ligue 1).  Hard to think of a player who is more appreciate by his club, than by the fans but who is as far out of the spotlight as Cole.

 

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16 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Good news because it should put to bed rumours of him returning to AG as a player, something which would be a backwards move for BCFC and go against the stated policy of signing young improvers.

Though generally solid CS was nowhere near as influential as his most ardent fans like @Robbored would have us believe and his gradual stagnation at AG was particularly evident in his last season with us.

When you refuse to sign a new contract with a club there should be no prospect of a return as a player imo.

There seems little doubt he will return in the future as a member of the coaching staff and, if he genuinely has something to offer in that respect, it will be a welcome homecoming.

First point - the very experienced Skuse would be a great addition to the squad given the amount of youngsters at City

Second point - What Skuse brought is subjective. A typical marmite player. I'd like to see what Spudski's view on him is

Third point - nonsense!

Fourth point - he will end up at City. He's a local bloke, has a house in the Coalpit Health area and is good mats with LJ. As to what coaching skills he has - who knows?

 

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46 minutes ago, Robbored said:

His contribution at City unfortunately went unappreciated by many fans. Always a class player but I'm disappointed he signed a new  deal with the Tractor Boys. I was hoping he'd resign for City in the summer.

This may be an almost unique event, but I agree 100% with that.

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3 minutes ago, Robbored said:

First point - the very experienced Skuse would be a great addition to the squad given the amount of youngsters at City

Second point - What Skuse brought is subjective. A typical marmite player. I'd like to see what Spudski's view on him is

Third point - nonsense!

Fourth point - he will end up at City. He's a local bloke, has a house in the Coalpit Health area and is good mats with LJ. As to what coaching skills he has - who knows?

 

Of course it's subjective but the key thing is we haven't missed Skuse one bit since he left.

We don't lack experience in midfield at all - in Pack, Smith, Paterson, O'Neil and Hegeler we have a glut of experienced midfield players, as well as a crop of exciting younger ones.

Pack is a younger and better version of Skuse, Korey is simply an all round far more dynamic and influential player

Time to stop your hankering for CS to return as a player - the club have moved on and imo we're all the better for it.

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29 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Fourth point - he will end up at City. He's a local bloke, has a house in the Coalpit Health area and is good mats with LJ. As to what coaching skills he has - who knows?

 

A return to jobs for the boys? I hope not.

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13 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Of course it's subjective but the key thing is we haven't missed Skuse one bit since he left.

We don't lack experience in midfield at all - in Pack, Smith, Paterson, O'Neil and Hegeler we have a glut of experienced midfield players, as well as a crop of exciting younger ones.

Pack is a younger and better version of Skuse, Korey is simply an all round far more dynamic and influential player

Time to stop your hankering for CS to return as a player - the club have moved on and imo we're all the better for it.

It does make me laugh when people bring up being subjective and then proceed to make a list of subjective comments.

By the way, that is one hell of an assumption that Pack is better than Skuse. 

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1 hour ago, Robbored said:

First point - the very experienced Skuse would be a great addition to the squad given the amount of youngsters at City

Second point - What Skuse brought is subjective. A typical marmite player. I'd like to see what Spudski's view on him is

Third point - nonsense!

Fourth point - he will end up at City. He's a local bloke, has a house in the Coalpit Health area and is good mats with LJ. As to what coaching skills he has - who knows?

 

Why are you talking about Skuse? He's an ex player............ 

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32 minutes ago, Collis1 said:

It does make me laugh when people bring up being subjective and then proceed to make a list of subjective comments.

By the way, that is one hell of an assumption that Pack is better than Skuse. 

That we've got plenty of experienced options in midfield already is hardly subjective.

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3 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Yep, keeps cropping up, but could do with new opinions on the subject.

What's yours? :dunno:

Can't say I was that bothered when he left, part of some of the worst teams I have seen (obviously not all down to him) Not sure there is much between him and Pack.

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1 minute ago, Super said:

Can't say I was that bothered when he left, part of some of the worst teams I have seen (obviously not all down to him) Not sure there is much between him and Pack.

I think many would feel the same.

Not a bad player when on form by any means, but replaced at AG with ease and we've now got at a number of options at least as good in midfield, and younger.

His ongoing stagnation at AG, culminating in a very poor last season or so, was there for all to see, and he's probably been rejuvenated slightly by the move.

So the parting of the ways can be seen as positive for both parties.

I suspect signing this new contract indicates he's actually very content in Suffolk. 

It's a much more rural and laid back area than Bristol, and the lifestyle there probably suits him well.

1 minute ago, Collis1 said:

If you think really hard about it though nearly every opinion people have about football is subjective. :ph34r:

If you think even harder about it it's not an opinion that we have plenty of experienced midfield options.

 

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Truly awful player in my opinion could never see what some people saw from him. Like the post above I am pleased to see this should put to bed any nonsense of him coming back. We have moved on considerably. 

Football aside though he is a fantastic bloke and great with the young fans.

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5 minutes ago, One Team said:

Truly awful player in my opinion could never see what some people saw from him. Like the post above I am pleased to see this should put to bed any nonsense of him coming back. We have moved on considerably. 

Football aside though he is a fantastic bloke and great with the young fans.

He was hardly awful - save that for the likes of Bas Savage, Ricky Foster etc. 

I thought he was an average player in this league. Fair enough when he left really - needed to do it to improve his career. 

He's a City lad and if he does his coaching badges then I'd have him no doubt - he cares about the club. 

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44 minutes ago, One Team said:

Truly awful player in my opinion could never see what some people saw from him. Like the post above I am pleased to see this should put to bed any nonsense of him coming back. We have moved on considerably. 

Football aside though he is a fantastic bloke and great with the young fans.

Are you having a laugh? He's having a laugh!

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20 minutes ago, Hampshire Red said:

Weird thread but maybe the first time I have totally agreed with Robbored and davfevs so will add a comment that is; anyone who says he was awful never watched him live on a regular basis.

He was a class act and his number of appearances in The Championship show that whilst City were in league 1.

I hope Lj has a good relationship with him but I have no idea. I know for sure Gary J didn't want to keep Skuse at BS3 as it threatened further a place in the team for his son.

Hopefully Lj will still be in charge when Skuse is next available to return West. Like Tinman and Carey they are BCFC at heart which matters to me.

Anyone go to Leicester for Cole's contribution to the 'S' hatrick; Sproul, Skuse, Sno? A stunning goal in a stunning win from a truly consistent classy midfielder. Shouldn't ever mention injured O'Neil nor unproven Hegeler in the same thread/breath.

Oh, FFS.

I know.

Lets put a wild theory which you have no evidence behind as fact to discredit one of the most successful managers in the clubs history. Let’s ignore the fact that Skuse and LJ have a mutually admitted good relationship - that couldn’t have been fostered if what you say was true.

Do you really believe this, and if so can you produce anything other than the above rambling??

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8 hours ago, Robbored said:

First point - the very experienced Skuse would be a great addition to the squad given the amount of youngsters at City

Second point - What Skuse brought is subjective. A typical marmite player. I'd like to see what Spudski's view on him is

Third point - nonsense!

Fourth point - he will end up at City. He's a local bloke, has a house in the Coalpit Health area and is good mats with LJ. As to what coaching skills he has - who knows?

 

He will end up up at city because he’s local and is mates with LJ? I had hoped we got rid of the jobs for the boys mentality after all these years 

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15 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

He will end up up at city because he’s local and is mates with LJ? I had hoped we got rid of the jobs for the boys mentality after all these years 

The point about Skuse being mates with the LJ is that they played together and LJ knows Skuse as a bloke having shared the dressing room numerous times. Therefore he knows what kind of influence Skuse has  not only as a player but around the squad.

Bugger all to with 'jobs for the boys'...............:disapointed2se:

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38 minutes ago, Hampshire Red said:

Anyone go to Leicester for Cole's contribution to the 'S' hatrick; Sproul, Skuse, Sno? A stunning goal in a stunning win from a truly consistent classy midfielder. Shouldn't ever mention injured O'Neil nor unproven Hegeler in the same thread/breath.

Hegeler was only mentioned in terms of being an experienced player.

O'Neil has been injured this season (CS could get similarly injured tomorrow) but during his career has been a member of 4 separate Championship promotion squads.

He has also appeared in the Premier League in 9 separate seasons.

So you're absolutely right that O'Neil and Cole Skuse cannot be mentioned in the same breath, clearly Cole Skuse doesn't deserve to be.

O'Neil has had a markedly more impressive and successful career, and competed successfully over many years at a higher level than Skuse has ever played.

Your ridiculous dismissal of O'Neil in favour of Skuse is is not only typical of your overly gushing post, but also typical of many ardent Skuse admirers who have in their own minds elevated a fairly unremarkable player in to some sort of outstanding maestro.

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38 minutes ago, Robbored said:

The point about Skuse being mates with the LJ is that they played together and LJ knows Skuse as a bloke having shared the dressing room numerous times. Therefore he knows what kind of influence Skuse has  not only as a player but around the squad.

Bugger all to with 'jobs for the boys'...............:disapointed2se:

Ah so because they shared the same dressing room is where your original post came from.Take it you never worked with anybody and thought he’s a wrong un then but because it’s a job you carry on.

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8 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Ah so because they shared the same dressing room is where your original post came from.Take it you never worked with anybody and thought he’s a wrong un then but because it’s a job you carry on.

Sorry JJt I don't quite understand what you're getting at.

LJ was given licence by SL to create his own backroom staff. Pemberton was sacked and in comes Jamie Mac and Dean Holden - both who LJ had worked with and knew well. He'd worked with Holden previously and shared a dressing room with Macca so was comfortable having them working with him and the same applies to Skuse. Macca obviously knows Skuse and no doubt that  he and LJ have chatted about it.

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3 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Sorry JJt I don't quite understand what you're getting at.

LJ was given licence by SL to create his own backroom staff. Pemberton was sacked and in comes Jamie Mac and Dean Holden - both who LJ had worked with and knew well. He'd worked with Holden previously and shared a dressing room with Macca so was comfortable having them working with him and the same applies to Skuse. Macca obviously knows Skuse and no doubt that  he and LJ have chatted about it.

We are making assumptions here that may not be the case

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3 hours ago, One Team said:

Truly awful player in my opinion could never see what some people saw from him. Like the post above I am pleased to see this should put to bed any nonsense of him coming back. We have moved on considerably. 

Football aside though he is a fantastic bloke and great with the young fans.

Have to agree with you I think he got away with more being a local lad.

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3 hours ago, One Team said:

Truly awful player in my opinion could never see what some people saw from him. Like the post above I am pleased to see this should put to bed any nonsense of him coming back. We have moved on considerably. 

It's a good job a succession of City managers who played Skuse every game with  MM doing the same at Ipswich don't share your view.............:disapointed2se:

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29 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Sorry JJt I don't quite understand what you're getting at.

LJ was given licence by SL to create his own backroom staff. Pemberton was sacked and in comes Jamie Mac and Dean Holden - both who LJ had worked with and knew well. He'd worked with Holden previously and shared a dressing room with Macca so was comfortable having them working with him and the same applies to Skuse. Macca obviously knows Skuse and no doubt that  he and LJ have chatted about it.

Why does the same go for skuse,your just guessing mate because he’s a local lad and you haven’t a clue if macca or lj got on with skuse while they were together 

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1 minute ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Why does the same go for skuse,your just guessing mate because he’s a local lad and you haven’t a clue if macca or lj got on with skuse while they were together 

If Skuse was disruptive and a negative influence both LJ and Macca would know it and his name would not be considered as a potential coach. They will know what Skuse would bring if he joined the backroom staff and see him as an asset.

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5 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Where is he being considered as a potential coach for us ?

 

5 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Where is he being considered as a potential coach for us ?

Do you not pay attention to LJs interviews?  

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1 minute ago, AshtonPark said:

It’s a genuine question. Skuse is a ex city player so surely you have no interest?

Skuse, liked Joe Bryan are local players and I've posted before that it's non local players that I have no interest in.

If/when JB moves on I'll follow his career with interest for that reason.

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5 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Wouldn’t argue that it was a poor board at the time but you really think Benny turned Brennan into a half decent player 

Jim Brennan must have been a half decent player 

FACT IS it was Benny and Benny only who gave him the chance to show it

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55 minutes ago, Robbored said:

 

Do you not pay attention to LJs interviews?  

What are you waffling on about? If Skuse gets his relevant badges and is then seen as being an asset to the clubs backroom staff then maybe, as for now i am sure Mr Skuse is a way off from that position so any talk of him being anything to do with this clubs coaching team is premature to the extreme.

God knows what could happen at this club by the time Cole Skuse is ready and able to coach, who knows if LJ or Jamie Mccalister will be around.. in the fickle and precarious world of football you would be a fool to predict anything. And by the way your posts about Skuse and being a coach have a 100% jobs for the boys feel.. i want coaches and managers here that are the best fit for the club and not just because they are mates of the current coaching stuff please, F that :yes:

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2 minutes ago, bris red said:

What are you waffling on about? If Skuse gets his relevant badges and is then seen as being an asset to the clubs backroom staff then maybe, as for now i am sure Mr Skuse is a way off from that position so any talk of him being anything to do with this clubs coaching team is premature to the extreme.

If it's still available go back and listen to LJs interview before the away game at Portman Rd.

It tells you all you want to know.

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5 hours ago, Hampshire Red said:

Weird thread but maybe the first time I have totally agreed with Robbored and davfevs so will add a comment that is; anyone who says he was awful never watched him live on a regular basis.

He was a class act and his number of appearances in The Championship show that whilst City were in league 1.

I hope Lj has a good relationship with him but I have no idea. I know for sure Gary J didn't want to keep Skuse at BS3 as it threatened further a place in the team for his son.

Hopefully Lj will still be in charge when Skuse is next available to return West. Like Tinman and Carey they are BCFC at heart which matters to me.

Anyone go to Leicester for Cole's contribution to the 'S' hatrick; Sproul, Skuse, Sno? A stunning goal in a stunning win from a truly consistent classy midfielder. Shouldn't ever mention injured O'Neil nor unproven Hegeler in the same thread/breath.

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4 hours ago, Hampshire Red said:

Weird thread but maybe the first time I have totally agreed with Robbored and davfevs so will add a comment that is; anyone who says he was awful never watched him live on a regular basis.

He was a class act and his number of appearances in The Championship show that whilst City were in league 1.

I hope Lj has a good relationship with him but I have no idea. I know for sure Gary J didn't want to keep Skuse at BS3 as it threatened further a place in the team for his son.

Hopefully Lj will still be in charge when Skuse is next available to return West. Like Tinman and Carey they are BCFC at heart which matters to me.

Anyone go to Leicester for Cole's contribution to the 'S' hatrick; Sproul, Skuse, Sno? A stunning goal in a stunning win from a truly consistent classy midfielder. Shouldn't ever mention injured O'Neil nor unproven Hegeler in the same thread/breath.

Picking up on your last point have city ever  scored 3 better goals in one match?

ivan showed unbelievable skill and control and the emotion after it was spine tingling

Skuse's strike from distance was unstoppable

Sno's goal on the break at speed was the icing on the cake for a memorable night!

Skuse was  a great player but not sure I would want him back now but I value his contribution and wish him well. 

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I'm sorry but it would be a retrograde step to have him back here.

For where we want to be we have to be looking at, or demanding that the midfield players have a far bigger influence than a Cole Skuse.

He moved on to better things with Ipswich when we got relegated, now we have moved on.

A lovely bloke, but we must go forward, We can't go backwards or sideways . .  like his passing.

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On 9 February 2018 at 21:18, WolfOfWestStreet said:

Have to agree with you I think he got away with more being a local lad.

This happens with a lot of Bristol area born City players and I understand it but don't agree with it. You'll quite often hear an average non-Bristol player get slated (e.g. Diony yesterday from where I was) but a player from Bristol who was as average or worse get nothing but praise. 

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On 9 February 2018 at 21:29, Robbored said:

It's a good job a succession of City managers who played Skuse every game with  MM doing the same at Ipswich don't share your view.............:disapointed2se:

I actually looked into this as at face value I thought that must be wrong, but he did indeed play quite a lot of games for a number of managers.

They must've seen something in him I didn't as I thought he was incredibly poor and always thought we looked better without him. He wasn't even one of those players who I thought was pretty average but we did miss when they didn't play. 

I'll reiterate my point though that I know from personal experience on a few things he is a very decent man however. 

Whether he'd be any good as a coach at City I don't know but I'd like to think we've moved on and so has he.

 

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4 minutes ago, One Team said:

I actually looked into this as at face value I thought that must be wrong, but he did indeed play quite a lot of games for a number of managers.

Because they're professional managers who know a good player when they see one

They must've seen something in him I didn't as I thought he was incredibly poor and always thought we looked better without him. He wasn't even one of those players who I thought was pretty average but we did miss when they didn't play. 

Because you're not a manager 

I'll reiterate my point though that I know from personal experience on a few things he is a very decent man however. 

He is indeed.

Whether he'd be any good as a coach at City I don't know but I'd like to think we've moved on and so has he.       

Moved on? He's just signed a two year deal with the Tractor Boys. He won't be joining the coaching team at City just yet but when he does he'll be an excellent addition to the backroom staff.

 

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On 09/02/2018 at 22:40, joe jordans teeth said:

That he did,but results show Benny was a awful manager FACT

Benny was never supposed to be our manager though. He was to come in and help John Ward with coaching. Benny had a good background with the Swedish national team. John Ward didn't want him as he wanted Ray Harford so threw teddy out the pram and quit. All this left Benny in charge when he didn't want to be.

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On ‎09‎/‎02‎/‎2018 at 10:46, Robbored said:

His contribution at City unfortunately went unappreciated by many fans. Always a class player but I'm disappointed he signed a new  deal with the Tractor Boys. I was hoping he'd resign for City in the summer.

Hmm, consistency is everything in this game RR,  your continued interest in this ex City player is in sharp contrast with your oft stated position regarding such players .... 

 Is this the exception that proves the rule ?  ... Or is there another Ex-Skuse for your glaring inconsistency Mr R ? 

 

(PS .. I too liked CS ..the guy quietly went about his business and for the most part did it well, the calm efficiency and lack of too much drama probably accounts for many overlooking his contribution...

True towards the end of his time here performances seemed to fade/stagnate, so was probably right for all concerned that we parted company (hopefully with best wishes & no hard feelings) when we did. The time was right. )

We'll that's my ExSkuse anyway and I'm sticking with it! !  :) 

 

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17 minutes ago, Bobby Bollax said:

450 games at professional level. How people can describe players as awful at this level is beyond me. 

This is otib so you'll see plenty of puzzling comments like some posters who couldn't understand what  Skuse brings to a team.

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