Redbo Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 It’s not LJ’s fault, it’s not Bristol Sport’s fault, it’s not SL’s fault. No. None of these people are culpable for our poor run and horrible slide down the table. The blame lies at the feet (or should I say hand) of one man. Step forward Famara Diedhou. 3-0 up at home to Sunderland, cross comes over, simple header to make it 4-0 and complete his first Bristol City hat-trick. What does he do? The least subtle handball since Maradona. End up drawing 3-3. Confidence sapped. Draw follows defeat follows draw. Thanks for nothing Fam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 In short, appointing Lee Johnson......... I wonder if Frankie didn't have a rush of blood against Wolves if things would still be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Why is it necessary to apportion blame? Fact it the loss of form happened and can happen to any team. No doubt LJ and his coaches have pondered why it happened and tried various different options to rectify it but when two of your most reliable CBs both fuck up in the same game just highlights how unpredictable form can be. Get over it and look towards the next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 If we're playing the blame game, we were all set to get back on track in late January until Baker made a rash challenge v QPR. We got through that match but I reckon we would have got 7 or 9 points from Bolton, Sunderland and Leeds had he been playing and that would have given us momentum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Not apportioning blame as such, these things happen- but for me, the turning point was 3 points turning into 0 against Wolves. I do look back on that last half hour and think 'what if'...Not just three points, but psychologically, confidence wise- plus a knock on effect on Wolves losing a 2 month unbeaten run as would have been the case in the middle of a busy period... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted April 17, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Not apportioning blame as such, these things happen- but for me, the turning point was 3 points turning into 0 against Wolves. I do look back on that last half hour and think 'what if'...Not just three points, but psychologically, confidence wise- plus a knock on effect on Wolves losing a 2 month unbeaten run as would have been the case in the middle of a busy period... Yup, so it is now Marlon Pack's fault for not clearing the ball leading up to the Wolves winner? Can anyone raise me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Robbored said: Why is it necessary to apportion blame? Fact it the loss of form happened and can happen to any team. No doubt LJ and his coaches have pondered why it happened and tried various different options to rectify it but when two of your most reliable CBs both fuck up in the same game just highlights how unpredictable form can be. Get over it and look towards the next game. 1. In any job, look at the RACI model @Robbored I'm sure it applies in football also. 2. I'm sure they're pondering. But it 's like Johnson & co have gone down the local sewage plant, hoping to hook out a beautiful 30 pound common carp, yet always hook on floaters. No surprise why. 3. Easier said then done when it comes to "get over it" same trends are active. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, phantom said: Yup, so it is now Marlon Pack's fault for not clearing the ball leading up to the Wolves winner? Can anyone raise me? If I was being really picky- and I'm not- but if I was, I might suggest keeping Flint up front at 1-0 was the error, which helped lead to Fielding coming out which eventually helped lead to the highly possible win becoming a gut-wrenching last minute loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aa_bcfc Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, phantom said: Yup, so it is now Marlon Pack's fault for not clearing the ball leading up to the Wolves winner? Can anyone raise me? Plain as day. LJ’s fault for leaving Flint up front after we went 1-0 up and seemed to have the game won against 10 man Wolves. Flint back at centre back and frankie would not have rushed out, we would still have had 11 men and the pack incident would not have happened. Just my opinion though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 I blame the 1909 FA Cup Final Squad. Bottlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Red_Wizard said: 1. In any job, look at the RACI model @Robbored I'm sure it applies in football also. 2. I'm sure they're pondering. But it 's like Johnson & co have gone down the local sewage plant, hoping to hook out a beautiful 30 pound common carp, yet always hook on floaters. No surprise why. 3. Easier said then done when it comes to "get over it" same trends are active. Ok.....for debating purposes, let's say it was Steve Allens fault... So now we know that, does it change the fact that City lost form? Answer - no it doesn't. So......like I said, more on to the next game having accepted the things you cannot change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, aa_bcfc said: Plain as day. LJ’s fault for leaving Flint up front after we went 1-0 up and seemed to have the game won against 10 man Wolves. Flint back at centre back and frankie would not have rushed out, we would still have had 11 men and the pack incident would not have happened. Just my opinion though. Totally, absolutely, 100% this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted April 17, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 21 minutes ago, Red_Wizard said: 1. In any job, look at the RACI model For those that don't know Responsibility Accountability Consult Inform Some bullshit terminology that Mark Ashton could take note of !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, Robbored said: Answer - no it doesn't. So......like I said, more on to the next game having accepted the things you cannot change. We go again, eh? Not for this thread (please!) but it would be a good start to look to identify what you can change that was wrong. Reduces the likelihood of repeating the same errors, I’d say. What was Einstein’s definition of insanity again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 I blame Joe Burnell for his failure to pass the ball forwards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon uk Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 hour ago, phantom said: Yup, so it is now Marlon Pack's fault for not clearing the ball leading up to the Wolves winner? Can anyone raise me? I think magnusson was caught out of position ball watching as the through ball came through, which caused frankie to run out like an idiot. So its juventus fault for not training him better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 48 minutes ago, Robbored said: Ok.....for debating purposes, let's say it was Steve Allens fault... So now we know that, does it change the fact that City lost form? Answer - no it doesn't. So......like I said, more on to the next game having accepted the things you cannot change. Does it change the fact? Of course not, but those responsible still have to take either ownership or responsibility. Yet it seems no one does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Fleuriot Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 I was chatting a couple of days ago about the key "sliding doors" moment for our season. My top 4 were: We lose honourably to Man Utd, getting confidence but no distraction / cockiness. FF not sent off v Wolves (Edit: can't argue with the points above about keeping Flint up front). Bobby gets a pen v Bolton. Kent passes to Pato at 3-0 v Sunderland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTBLUE Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 If only I hadn’t stopped wearing my lucky pants............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Red_Wizard said: Does it change the fact? Of course not, but those responsible still have to take either ownership or responsibility. Yet it seems no one does. ...........because the cause of the loss of form is imponderable. No clear and obvious reasons are identifiable. If they were then they could be addressed in the most appropriate manner. There is absolutely, zero point in apportioning blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 minute ago, NOTBLUE said: If only I hadn’t stopped wearing my lucky pants............ You as well?.................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 57 minutes ago, Robbored said: Ok.....for debating purposes, let's say it was Steve Allens fault... So now we know that, does it change the fact that City lost form? Answer - no it doesn't. So......like I said, more on to the next game having accepted the things you cannot change. It is his fault . In fact he saps the players of their energy and skills . His real name is Steve Alien . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Robbored said: Why is it necessary to apportion blame? Fact it the loss of form happened and can happen to any team. No doubt LJ and his coaches have pondered why it happened and tried various different options to rectify it but when two of your most reliable CBs both fuck up in the same game just highlights how unpredictable form can be. Get over it and look towards the next game. Exactly. Why is it anyone's fault that we've only won 5 games in 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTBLUE Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Robbored said: You as well?.................... Well that’s lifted a bit of the weight off of my shoulders ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 hour ago, ZiderEyed said: I blame the 1909 FA Cup Final Squad. Bottlers. Harry Thickitt required three more transfer windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 27 minutes ago, Curr Avon said: Exactly. Why is it anyone's fault that we've only won 5 games in 20. .................it's not one person or one reason that led to the slump in form. It's an unidentifiable culmination/combination of various factors that are to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 I blame the PA system in the dolman stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Robbored said: .................it's not one person or one reason that led to the slump in form. It's an unidentifiable culmination/combination of various factors that are to blame. So please explain why there is no one to blame in this situation? Yet Gary Johnson gets the blame for everything during his tenure here, which was no way near as eyebrow raising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Red_Wizard said: So please explain why there is no one to blame in this situation? Yet Gary Johnson gets the blame for everything during his tenure here, which was no way near as eyebrow raising. Your Wrong there RW. When Senior was in charge it was Junior who got the blame for everything - very similar to now so LJ will be used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelbcfc Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 The main reason we went wrong is simple. Up until Christmas we were trying to win games. Then after we lost to Villa I think that it knocked our confidence, then we started to try not to lose games. The rest is history, if we were still going for wins we would be in the play offs imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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