Major Isewater Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Practice with your right foot . You need to be less obvious with your play if you want to be good enough for a top six club . The opposition will be able to read your game too easily if you continue to only use your left . Incidently, I have nothing against your left leg . It is a fine leg . The instant that I saw it I said " hello , that is a fine leg ". However , I want you to be the very best, you have the potential, now work that sucker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 11 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: Practice with your right foot . You need to be less obvious with your play if you want to be good enough for a top six club . The opposition will be able to read your game too easily if you continue to only use your left . Incidently, I have nothing against your left leg . It is a fine leg . The instant that I saw it I said " hello , that is a fine leg ". However , I want you to be the very best, you have the potential, now work that sucker. A Pete & Dud fan? One of the funniest sketches you will see. P.S. I see Kelly as more of a defender, not a Tarzan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Yeh a few times he takes on it his left and gets caught out. Just use the right occasionally and it’ll make a big difference to not getting caught out. Looked solid generally though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 25 minutes ago, Hampshire Red said: Our boy Kelly could easily be worth more than Bobby if he does what the Major asks. Right now he is certainly our weakest link but the consistent back 5 Lj has found this season is worth sticking with and Kelly will learn by his mistakes. Great prospect, likely to move to better things we'd all agree. Our weakest link? Not sure I agree with that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider red Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 27 minutes ago, Hampshire Red said: Our boy Kelly could easily be worth more than Bobby if he does what the Major asks. Right now he is certainly our weakest link but the consistent back 5 Lj has found this season is worth sticking with and Kelly will learn by his mistakes. Great prospect, likely to move to better things we'd all agree. Weakest link? He's arguably been one of our most consistent performers and dragged us to win games we wouldn't have without him. Ie Brentford and ipswich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 29 minutes ago, Hampshire Red said: Right now he is certainly our weakest link That’s a very misguided statement HR............ In fact I don’t think that there is a weakest link out of all the regular defenders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 30 minutes ago, Robbored said: That’s a very misguided statement HR............ In fact I don’t think that there is a weakest link out of all the regular defenders WIth a gun to your head you would probably say right back, but even then that position doesn’t seem a weakness, just that we have outstanding options in the other defensive positions. First time I’ve been ecstatic with our defensive options since the promotion season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Our weakest link . Well we must be improving. LK will play premiership football. Learning all the time. He would personally be one of the first on my team sheet . Funny how fans see it different. As for being predominantly left footed . Many top left back in international footballers only use their right leg to stand on . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, marcofisher said: WIth a gun to your head you would probably say right back, but even then that position doesn’t seem a weakness, just that we have outstanding options in the other defensive positions. First time I’ve been ecstatic with our defensive options since the promotion season. Competition for places is what all managers want and at RB we have Pisano and Hunt vying for that spot. At LB we have Kelly and Dasilva doing the same. At CB we have Webster, Kalas, Baker and Wright all competing for two places. Two wide men in CoD and Eliasson yin’s for one place. Problem is tho no competition in the midfield with Walsh and Smith injured. Similar situation up top with only Fanara as an out and out striker. Unfortunately Taylor is becoming a sick note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 The one thing I would say to LK is that when you are in a tight spot, boot the ball to the halfway line or into the stand if necessary. He has the makings of a top defender, but don't take chances so often Lloyd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Left footed players invariably get accused of being one-footed while right footed players, the majority of whom aren't strong on their left foot, tend not to. Or so it seems to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City Cat Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 1 hour ago, chinapig said: Left footed players invariably get accused of being one-footed while right footed players, the majority of whom aren't strong on their left foot, tend not to. Or so it seems to me. Agreed.... imagine David Beckham if he could have ever kicked with his left boot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allwaysred Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 HR your the weakest link for making that comment, yes he's young and still learning his trade but hardly think he's a week link especially what he's achieved for England.I actually think he's so versatile he could be a great ball winner / play maker in a central role his engine is that good.... Hummmmmm the futures bright the futures LK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 I wonder whether he gets any advice from Brian Tinnion....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted December 23, 2018 Author Share Posted December 23, 2018 1 minute ago, italian dave said: I wonder whether he gets any advice from Brian Tinnion....? Think how far BT could have gone with even the smallest use of his right foot. Norman Hunter was also almost completely one footed which incidentally cost him big on the international front . I'm not saying that LK should stop using his left obviously but if from time to time he used his right to make a simple pass he could add another level to his game . Incidently , I could make the same ' accusation ' for Pack who is a right footer. Every player has a stronger side but every one of them should aim to be proficient with both feet . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southvillekiddy Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 5 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Practice with your right foot . You need to be less obvious with your play if you want to be good enough for a top six club . The opposition will be able to read your game too easily if you continue to only use your left . Incidently, I have nothing against your left leg . It is a fine leg . The instant that I saw it I said " hello , that is a fine leg ". However , I want you to be the very best, you have the potential, now work that sucker. I've got nothing against your left leg Mr Spigot, the problem is neither have you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southvillekiddy Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 7 hours ago, Robbored said: Competition for places is what all managers want and at RB we have Pisano and Hunt vying for that spot. At LB we have Kelly and Dasilva doing the same. At CB we have Webster, Kalas, Baker and Wright all competing for two places. Two wide men in CoD and Eliasson yin’s for one place. Problem is tho no competition in the midfield with Walsh and Smith injured. Similar situation up top with only Fanara as an out and out striker. Unfortunately Taylor is becoming a sick note. How do you know that? Is is fair to say it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 4 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Think how far BT could have gone with even the smallest use of his right foot. Norman Hunter was also almost completely one footed which incidentally cost him big on the international front . I'm not saying that LK should stop using his left obviously but if from time to time he used his right to make a simple pass he could add another level to his game . Incidently , I could make the same ' accusation ' for Pack who is a right footer. Every player has a stronger side but every one of them should aim to be proficient with both feet . Dunno about that. When I was playing, my left was the strongest, so my coaches all tried to concentrate on improving my right. Result - 2 rubbish feet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 14 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: Dunno about that. When I was playing, my left was the strongest, so my coaches all tried to concentrate on improving my right. Result - 2 rubbish feet Yeah, but we all know about multi-tasking....!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 1 hour ago, southvillekiddy said: How do you know that? Is is fair to say it? Out last season for ages with a groin injury, now a hip flexor injury - draw your own conclusions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 6 hours ago, City Cat said: Agreed.... imagine David Beckham if he could have ever kicked with his left boot He could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southvillekiddy Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Robbored said: Out last season for ages with a groin injury, now a hip flexor injury - draw your own conclusions My conclusions are these : you have been more than naughty again letting your prejudices and bile spill over in an uncredit-worthy manner, directing all your venom and spite on an undeserving recipient. This is unworthy. automatically sticking up for the Club and your chum without working out what is really happening We've crossed swords on this issue before I think. IMHO the ascription "sick note" is a derogatory term applied to a malingerer.( I have given you examples of City players who were genuine malingerers). The term should not be applied to someone who becomes temporarily incapable of playing professional sport because of a genuine injury When I see Matty Taylor putting himself about for the team upfront and running himself into the ground with Andreas to cause the opposition defence trouble and then supplying a sublime pass to put Korey Smith on goal and when I hear him speak in a forthright and fair way in an interview I am confident that he is not a malingerer. Just doesn't have the guile and would not permit himself to behave in that dishonourable fashion. Here's a thought for you to enable you to control and direct all naughtiness and all your vicious spleen and use it for the good of our Club. Why not investigate what our Club might doing to build the best possible facilities and employ the highest quality staff to select, train and condition our players so that they can : a) play for 90 minutes b) avoid a career threatening injury in the first 5 minutes of a game ( Sam Vokes, George Elokobi , Christian Ribeiro, plus that German bloke whose mum traveled halfway across Europe to see him crippled playing for us for us etc etc etc) c) avoid career threatening injuries in training - Adelekun d) not mess up their recovery - Steve Brooker e) have the facilities and know-how to enable them to play again for City again following an injury without waiting a season If you can find out all that, then you might be in a position to judge the players' characters and fitness instead of saying naughty things about them sined SK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Wow!........too much stuff there to take in this late at night..................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 7 hours ago, southvillekiddy said: I've got nothing against your left leg Mr Spigot, the problem is neither have you! …...that was back in the brilliant Pete n Dud days before those two c **ts Derek & Clive came along and literally ****ed everything ****ing up, the dirty f****ing filthy fowl mouthed ****ing c **ts..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southvillekiddy Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 10 hours ago, Robbored said: Wow!........too much stuff there to take in this late at night..................... go on. Bend your brain to the argument and set aside soundbiting temporarily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Yes his right foot needs improving but think this is as good as you will see LK at LB. He is a CB all day for me and when he doesn’t have that line bearing down him with a defender coming too his whole game changes. He does not feel in control at LB but he comes alive when playing centrally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southvillekiddy Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 10 hours ago, WhistleHappy said: …...that was back in the brilliant Pete n Dud days before those two c **ts Derek & Clive came along and literally ****ed everything ****ing up, the dirty f****ing filthy fowl mouthed ****ing c **ts..! that's true, genuinely hysterically funny without use of the f word, sometimes "smutty" but never gratuitously profane. Peter Cook wrote that routine when he was still at school. He told everyone that he never betttered it throughout his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 26 minutes ago, southvillekiddy said: go on. Bend your brain to the argument and set aside soundbiting temporarily Just read thru it....I think you’re taking ‘scknote’ far too seriously. To me it means any player repeatedly struggling with injuries as Taylor has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southvillekiddy Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Robbored said: Just read thru it....I think you’re taking ‘scknote’ far too seriously. To me it means any player repeatedly struggling with injuries as Taylor has. Your serious may not be my serious and vice versa.There's nothing absolute about an opinion. I thought we had agreed previously that people are different and are offended or obversely uplifted by different things. Can we agree that "sicknote" can be viewed as a derogatory term? Just out of interest you might try asking Matty if he can see the funny side of being called a "sicknote"? You say you have read through my post but you again stand accused of side-stepping unless you respond to the important points I make about our Club's record on injuries and rehabilitation. Can you also please comment on my opinions on the apparent low to middle performance of our player care systems and the staff that run them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 5 hours ago, southvillekiddy said: Your serious may not be my serious and vice versa.There's nothing absolute about an opinion. I thought we had agreed previously that people are different and are offended or obversely uplifted by different things. Can we agree that "sicknote" can be viewed as a derogatory term? Just out of interest you might try asking Matty if he can see the funny side of being called a "sicknote"? You say you have read through my post but you again stand accused of side-stepping unless you respond to the important points I make about our Club's record on injuries and rehabilitation. Can you also please comment on my opinions on the apparent low to middle performance of our player care systems and the staff that run them? Citys injury list isn’t necessarily a reflection on the methods used up at Failand - all clubs get injuries whether it’s in matches or in training. As for the care of injured players - these days it’s top drawer with fully qualified professional physio’s looking after them. Every treatment used is scientifically proven for specific injuries. It wasn’t always so with the like of Buster Footman who as I’m aware didn’t have any physio qualifications at all........... Btw, I’m sure that if you told Taylor he was something of a sick note he’d laugh and agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted December 25, 2018 Author Share Posted December 25, 2018 21 hours ago, Robbored said: Citys injury list isn’t necessarily a reflection on the methods used up at Failand - all clubs get injuries whether it’s in matches or in training. As for the care of injured players - these days it’s top drawer with fully qualified professional physio’s looking after them. Every treatment used is scientifically proven for specific injuries. It wasn’t always so with the like of Buster Footman who as I’m aware didn’t have any physio qualifications at all........... Btw, I’m sure that if you told Taylor he was something of a sick note he’d laugh and agree with you. then pull a hamstring as he walked away . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fodbarmyarmy Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Bit of a dilemma with Kelly.... He plays as a central defender for England U18 and now U21 and does a fine job as indeed he did when he dropped in there first half at Brentford when Baker was injured ...and i am sure LJ also see this as his best position but if and when he does play central then we miss out on the great runs and crossing he does down the left......shame he cant be in both positions at same time...also a shame we never got to see a good run of games with JB at LB with Kelly on left side of centre as that would have made a good pairing when playing out from the back ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southvillekiddy Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 On 24/12/2018 at 17:58, Robbored said: Citys injury list isn’t necessarily a reflection on the methods used up at Failand - all clubs get injuries whether it’s in matches or in training. As for the care of injured players - these days it’s top drawer with fully qualified professional physio’s looking after them. Every treatment used is scientifically proven for specific injuries. It wasn’t always so with the like of Buster Footman who as I’m aware didn’t have any physio qualifications at all........... Btw, I’m sure that if you told Taylor he was something of a sick note he’d laugh and agree with you. Good. I'm glad that instead of sniping you came out from the safety of your little friend's private box to debate with me. Injuries have everything to do with what happens before, during and after the match and then what happens under the care of the staff appointed at Failand Would a potential high profile signing be tempted by what is on show to come to us? Would they believe their career could be improved, protected and lenghened? Your little friend told me it was not possible to improve a player once they reached the age of 25?? And what about the 5 minute boys - Sam Vokes, George Elekobi, Christian Ribeiro, that German bloke with the mum, and the botch-ups - Steve Brooker the inherited injuries ones - Milan Duric and the more than painfully slow recovery ones - Korey Smith, Frankie Fielding I think Matty would give you one in the nuts Merry Christmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Steve Brooker was ‘treated’ when Buster Footman was physio......not much more to say on that.........the others particularly Riberio were made of glass. Injuries happen at all clubs at all levels. The record at City is as cyclic as every other club with similar size squads. I don’t think that any injuries at City are a direct result of over zealous training methods. Now the physio team are all fully qualified professionals and employ all the most up to date and scientifically proven treatments. Things have moved on hugely since Busters days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Would love to see him in the LCB position in a back 3/5 like we saw Maguire play for England in the summer, that would suit Kelly to the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 51 minutes ago, marcofisher said: Would love to see him in the LCB position in a back 3/5 like we saw Maguire play for England in the summer, that would suit Kelly to the ground. Yep, I think that’s his best position currently, although thought he was really good v Boro (and Assombolonga) at CB in a 4, and he ain’t bad at LB either! Dont think we’ll be changing to a back 3 any time soon, but I would have no qualms about seeing him play CB with Dasilva outside him if our other CBs are injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southvillekiddy Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 16 hours ago, Robbored said: Steve Brooker was ‘treated’ when Buster Footman was physio......not much more to say on that.........the others particularly Riberio were made of glass. Injuries happen at all clubs at all levels. The record at City is as cyclic as every other club with similar size squads. I don’t think that any injuries at City are a direct result of over zealous training methods. Now the physio team are all fully qualified professionals and employ all the most up to date and scientifically proven treatments. Things have moved on hugely since Busters days. "Buster's days" sounds like pre-war but actually is not that long ago, 2009 when Brooker's treatment was botched - 2009 and well within SLs time - appointing unqualified people????? Sam Vokes and George Elekobi "made of glass" - come off it! When we do appoint someone of the calibre of Steve Allen we cannot persuade him to stay. Why is that? We could have built the whole player care and rehabilitation facilities and programmes around him - why not go for a Premiership quality, state of the art department -a massive factor for attracting high quality players. I keep saying we have to have an edge being a Club in a foot-balling desert but you say everything is already marvelous. Arrogant, stuck-in-the mud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, southvillekiddy said: "Buster's days" sounds like pre-war but actually is not that long ago, 2009 when Brooker's treatment was botched - 2009 and well within SLs time - appointing unqualified people????? Sam Vokes and George Elekobi "made of glass" - come off it! When we do appoint someone of the calibre of Steve Allen we cannot persuade him to stay. Why is that? We could have built the whole player care and rehabilitation facilities and programmes around him - why not go for a Premiership quality, state of the art department -a massive factor for attracting high quality players. I keep saying we have to have an edge being a Club in a foot-balling desert but you say everything is already marvelous. Arrogant, stuck-in-the mud SL ‘inherited’ Buster....... Steve Allen moved because he got a better offer and iirc closer to his home area. Elekobi received a very serious injury not long into his first game. Whether he was rehabilitated at City I’m not sure....Vokes I dont remember his injury at all. City is now a far more professional club than its ever been largely down to SLs influence. Before he arrived it run by well meaning amateurs. It took him a while to get it right but now City is well run professional football club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 All this subjectivity about needing to play him in his best position seems nonsense to me anyway. He has shown to be an incredible player in both positions, any manager worth his salt will realise this and if they don't they shouldn't be a manager at this level. If you have a player who can play equally well in both positions, why try and play him in one position as thats his 'future position' when he is comfortable in both than play him where he is needed for the benefit of the team? He isn't going to have any issues, the kid doesn't strike me as not enjoying to be playing left back either. The boy will be relishing his first season and all the plaudits he has been getting wherever he has played on the pitch, and he won't be with us for long thats for sure, he is far better than any other player who has come through the academy so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Gary Neville had no such problems at right back nor did Christain Ziegler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dullmoan Tone Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Perhaps this thread would have been very different if it was started after today. worst game since Sheffield Utd last season - he needs to focus on playing the simple passes well. he was always going to have dips in form, but today shows he’s not ready for another league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 On 23/12/2018 at 10:26, Major Isewater said: Practice with your right foot . You need to be less obvious with your play if you want to be good enough for a top six club . The opposition will be able to read your game too easily if you continue to only use your left . Incidently, I have nothing against your left leg . It is a fine leg . The instant that I saw it I said " hello , that is a fine leg ". However , I want you to be the very best, you have the potential, now work that sucker. I’d like to know what advice you’d like to give our Captain Mr Pack ? Not that you are , people are quick to get on Kelly’s forgetting how truly awful some of the others are ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 He was poor today and still I just think he needs to use his right foot every now and again to turn away. He’s learning and will have games like that today - not a big deal. Clear there is talent but tweaks needed to improve I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 57 minutes ago, CiderHider said: Gary Neville had no such problems at right back nor did Christain Ziegler. Gary Neville was a right back (I presume you mean Christian Ziege) was a left back? Playing full back on your wrong front is nearly always going to be difficult, what’s your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC RISK77 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Just gonna put it out their but are some starting to question kelly and his defensive qualities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Between heaven and hell Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 21 minutes ago, Dullmoan Tone said: Perhaps this thread would have been very different if it was started after today. worst game since Sheffield Utd last season - he needs to focus on playing the simple passes well. he was always going to have dips in form, but today shows he’s not ready for another league. Wrong HIs worst game before today was Stoke City, gave the ball away three times looked poor and was hauled off at half time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, Between heaven and hell said: Wrong HIs worst game before today was Stoke City, gave the ball away three times looked poor and was hauled off at half time. I said to my daughter after 30 mins that we need Da Silva on at half time but unfortunately did not happen. Kelly was having one of those days where nothing was going right and whilst I appreciate sometimes leaving them out there works and one decent pass and it all clicks in place but today he just got more nervous and decision making was not great - the easy backwards pass was his go to. He will learn but he is not ready for a higher level yet IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 On 23/12/2018 at 21:01, Robbored said: Out last season for ages with a groin injury, now a hip flexor injury - draw your own conclusions 2 similar injuries, potentially an underlying issue there. Probably unfair to call him a sick note just yet, but could suggest he will continue to have problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southvillekiddy Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 7 hours ago, Robbored said: SL ‘inherited’ Buster....... Steve Allen moved because he got a better offer and iirc closer to his home area. Elekobi received a very serious injury not long into his first game. Whether he was rehabilitated at City I’m not sure....Vokes I dont remember his injury at all. City is now a far more professional club than its ever been largely down to SLs influence. Before he arrived it run by well meaning amateurs. It took him a while to get it right but now City is well run professional football club. I don't think so : Yeah. You remember Vokes. Him and a few others didn't look good, couldn't fit at in at City, weren't happy at City ( can't imagine why) and now play in the Premiership or Internationally for England or Wales : Ryan Fredericks, Greg Cunningham, Danny Rose All Steve Allen, Joe Bryan, Aden Flint and Bobby needed to stay was to believe that they were part of a set-up that was going somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 On 25/12/2018 at 17:56, southvillekiddy said: Good. I'm glad that instead of sniping you came out from the safety of your little friend's private box to debate with me. Injuries have everything to do with what happens before, during and after the match and then what happens under the care of the staff appointed at Failand Would a potential high profile signing be tempted by what is on show to come to us? Would they believe their career could be improved, protected and lenghened? Your little friend told me it was not possible to improve a player once they reached the age of 25?? And what about the 5 minute boys - Sam Vokes, George Elekobi, Christian Ribeiro, that German bloke with the mum, and the botch-ups - Steve Brooker the inherited injuries ones - Milan Duric and the more than painfully slow recovery ones - Korey Smith, Frankie Fielding I think Matty would give you one in the nuts Merry Christmas Elekobi broke his ankle on his debut, not sure you can blame the club for that Sam Vokes, also on his debut, tore his hamstring so that could be down to training etc. However he went on to have a string of injuries so maybe he was just prone to injury or didn’t do things properly himself. Ribiero, another debutant injury, only played 170 games in 11 years as a pro. He also continued to have issues after leaving us so again a good chance he just had issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 14 hours ago, Between heaven and hell said: HIs worst game before today was Stoke City, gave the ball away three times looked poor and was hauled off at half time. Didn't LJ say recently in his Times interview that Kelly had ignored his instructions in that game and was hauled off to teach him a lesson. Something like "right that's it, bang you're coming off". He painted a picture of being confrontational and demanding. I was interested to see yesterday that when LJ took Kelly off (rightly so, he was dreadfully casual and careless) LJ disappeared down the tunnel once the instruction was in and before Kelly left the pitch, emerging only once all was done and Kelly sat down. Now he may well have needed a Turkey induced convenience break, but it just struck me as interesting following his comments in the press about coaching Lloyd, that he avoided even having to speak to or acknowledge his performance when he came off. I think that is behaviour we would all more readily associate with LJ than the in your face leadership he projected in his Times interview: actually very non-confrontational, to the point of avoiding awkward situations where he has to front up to players. That's not a criticism by the way, on the sidelines during a match is not the time to be coaching mistakes out of players, least of all those you've just taken off - I just thought his comment in the Times was puffed up and wondered if we'd see evidence of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Interesting @Olé. I didn’t realise LJ had moved away during the substitution but I did see Kelly clearly wasn’t happy (possibly with himself as much as anything) and he threw his coat down and sat there without it for a while. He was poor yesterday but listening to LJ on the radio later he was very supportive saying something about Kelly only having played such few games and how young he was, making the point even seasoned Pro’s might struggle doing some of the things LK was being asked to do/ expected to do by fans. I was only half listening but I think that’s the gist of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der no.2 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Interesting observation Olé. LJ does appear to lack that “in your face, confrontational” part to his character and it is this trait that helps to command respect from players. How difficult issues are dealt with leads to either success or mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Both Kelly and Pack had dreadful games yesterday. Probably Lloyd's worst since the nightmareathon at the end of last season. Precisely why they looked so different to their performances v Norwich and Derby is a moot point. It does make a nonsense of Johnson's post-match comment: "Everyone played well". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 6 hours ago, RedM said: Interesting @Olé. I didn’t realise LJ had moved away during the substitution but I did see Kelly clearly wasn’t happy (possibly with himself as much as anything) and he threw his coat down and sat there without it for a while. He was poor yesterday but listening to LJ on the radio later he was very supportive saying something about Kelly only having played such few games and how young he was, making the point even seasoned Pro’s might struggle doing some of the things LK was being asked to do/ expected to do by fans. I was only half listening but I think that’s the gist of it. I bet Kelly is getting fed up of being talked up AND talked down in the same interview by LJ. I think it sends mixed messages. In response to Gregor’s question re Lloyd and Watkins, why not answer briefly with “yeah, it was a good clash, Lloyd did well’. Leave it at that. What we get is Lloyd this, big club that, etc, followed by Watkins was top of my list, etc. He really does need to say less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted December 27, 2018 Author Share Posted December 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I bet Kelly is getting fed up of being talked up AND talked down in the same interview by LJ. I think it sends mixed messages. In response to Gregor’s question re Lloyd and Watkins, why not answer briefly with “yeah, it was a good clash, Lloyd did well’. Leave it at that. What we get is Lloyd this, big club that, etc, followed by Watkins was top of my list, etc. He really does need to say less. Less is more . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der no.2 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Kelly was asleep for the Brentford throw-in that led to their goal. Woeful defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 On 25/12/2018 at 19:19, Robbored said: Steve Brooker was ‘treated’ when Buster Footman was physio......not much more to say on that.........the others particularly Riberio were made of glass. Injuries happen at all clubs at all levels. The record at City is as cyclic as every other club with similar size squads. I don’t think that any injuries at City are a direct result of over zealous training methods. Now the physio team are all fully qualified professionals and employ all the most up to date and scientifically proven treatments. Things have moved on hugely since Busters days. Buster Footman left the club way before Brooker’s injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Henry said: Buster Footman left the club way before Brooker’s injury. Are you sure? ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 18 hours ago, Hampshire Red said: I got shot down last week for suggesting he is the weakest link in a strong back 5(including GK) If anyone was there yesterday please tell me why I was wrong. I want him to be the very next academy, LJ success story but he's been a liability defensively. He also can't pass the ball forward to a City player which is odd as he was getting in good crosses at the start of his league career Because he has had a few bad games doesn't make him our weakest link, maybe he is on current form but as a player he is better than either of the options we have at right back for example (not that either of those player are particularly weak either). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 19 hours ago, Robbored said: Are you sure? ........... 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, Henry said: 100%. Evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, Robbored said: Evidence? https://www.csp.org.uk/frontline/article/soccers-women-physios-push-forward https://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?/topic/20955-this-years-winner-of-the/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/nick-dawes-a9036961 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 16 minutes ago, Henry said: https://www.csp.org.uk/frontline/article/soccers-women-physios-push-forward https://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?/topic/20955-this-years-winner-of-the/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/nick-dawes-a9036961 Iirc Brooker was injured in 2008 and you’re saying that Buster had left by then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 15 minutes ago, Robbored said: Iirc Brooker was injured in 2008 and you’re saying that Buster had left by then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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