Cannybluff Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Those saying we are weaker than we were in May... we now have kalas and dasilva signed up. They weren't ours in May. So we have a stronger squad 5gat is ours... and although not necessarily a stronger team as of yet it shows we are making progress. Think I'd personally rather have kalas and dasilva than Webster... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, BCFC Grim said: Imagine smashing your transfer fee record and still feeling disheartened by the summer activity. We are weaker than back in May. Trying to be positive but struggling. Disagree. We had players that were here on loan and they would have been leaving, so in reality at the end of the season we were very weak because those loans were not on our books. We have signed Dasilva, Palmer and Kalas for a record fee (and all for less than Kelly who wasn't even a first team starter). We have got Szmodic in, and a decent keeper who could be a longterm player for us. Yes we have just sold probably our best player but for the fee we got after just one season it really is terrific business. We still have Baker and if he is fit and consistent he is a very, very good Championship defender. We also have Wright, Taylor Moore and Vyner as back up and expect Taylor Moore will soon get given a chance (or what is the point). We have to accept we will sell players at a huge profit if it is available, and there is certainly no guarantee by keeping them we would make the promised land. We have to become a sustainable club and doing business as we currently are is the only way to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, elhombrecito said: You mean like this? or indeed this: can't beat that really! Good luck to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 20 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: Footballers have some weird dreams. 8 of them dreamed of unemployment and uncertain futures if Section82 are to be believed! He was brought up on the South Coast so maybe was his boyhood team. Better that than Manure for a Hampshire/West Sussex boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Can tell it much it means for him to go back to living the area, judging by his and his fiancées social media Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 16 minutes ago, Red Exile said: or indeed this: can't beat that really! Good luck to him. Top top guy, he goes with my best wishes and I look forward to seeing him on the box and hopefully one day playing for England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 I really don't get the point others make about being 'stronger' because transfers become permanent cf temporary. They're yours to use for the period of contract. Most clubs who've successfully breached the gap to the top have done so taking superior players they couldn't afford to buy, but for whom they splashed cash on wages. I'd argue that at the top end of the Championship that's probably the only way non-parachute clubs can conpete, though interesting to see how the loan change rules will impact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Just now, BTRFTG said: I really don't get the point others make about being 'stronger' because transfers become permanent cf temporary. They're yours to use for the period of contract. Most clubs who've successfully breached the gap to the top have done so taking superior players they couldn't afford to buy, but for whom they splashed cash on wages. I'd argue that at the top end of the Championship that's probably the only way non-parachute clubs can conpete, though interesting to see how the loan change rules will impact? We are weaker. People can try and dress it up as they like. We've lost our best player and taken a gamble on a lower league player( I actually think it will pay off). Fingers crossed I won't be saying the same thing next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Robin Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 It's a pity to lose such a strong defender,especially considering the connection he found with Kalas: let's hope in another clever move by the club,like it happened with Flint-Webster. Good luck to Adam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Good luck Webo. Disappointed of course but he was a stalwart for us last season. I think he’ll do great next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 29 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: I really don't get the point others make about being 'stronger' because transfers become permanent cf temporary. They're yours to use for the period of contract. Most clubs who've successfully breached the gap to the top have done so taking superior players they couldn't afford to buy, but for whom they splashed cash on wages. I'd argue that at the top end of the Championship that's probably the only way non-parachute clubs can conpete, though interesting to see how the loan change rules will impact? If you’re a consultant working for a company, you never truly ‘belong’, you don’t put down roots - you’re a specialist brought in to do a job for a limited period. It can make a consultant a bit of a mercenary. It’s akin to a footballer being on loan. Becoming a permanent employee makes you far more integral - changing your attitude towards the company and the company’s towards you. Signing our former loanees will, I believe, help them feel part of the long term strategy of the club. It’ll also help in making us far more attractive to other prospective Prem loanees whether from Chelsea eg Hector, or other clubs eg Nketiah. Imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Absolutely sensational transfer for City, Ipswich and of course Adam Webster; not so sure it's a sensational transfer for Brighton, he may well flop in the Prem League - doubtful, but you never know. I salute all parties involved in the sale of Webster and think the money we have received is awesome. Just think how well we will now invest that money. I may be thinking rather simplistically, but this should mean the star striker we need can now be financed. I would do whatever it takes now to sign Dwight Gayle, a guarantee of at least 20 goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rudolf Hucker said: Becoming a permanent employee Save none are 'permanent employees' - BCFC are not John Lewis Partnership. Players remain akin consultants for as long as their contracts last, rarely greater than 4 seasons. How then do you explain players like 'the mock mick' who's still under contract yet doesn't believe himself to be 'valued' as an employee given he's tried every trick in the book to get away, as did Maynard, as did.....(insert name here?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 You have to feel for LJ. Last season he lost 3 of his best players. Did a brilliant job signing Webster and loses him a day before the season starts. It's all very well having money to spend. We got it right with Webster but there are no guarantees that we can keep doing so. Puts a lot of pressure on LJ to roll the dice again and come up with another hit. We've signed a few duds and some gems. Just hope we get it right this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 2 hours ago, harvey54 said: Man City lose the charity shield and sack Guardiola. Approach made to City for Little Lee and £100 million compensation package negotiated I’d be happy with a straight swap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 1 hour ago, BTRFTG said: We're a selling club and until such time as we conceivably might compete to reach the top flight (not anytime soon IMHO) that's what we'll remain. Webster and Kelly deals too good to turn down for a club shipping £20m and upwards a year. My gripe is yet again under WeeLee this happens the day the season starts. Where's the longer term succession planning? Another close season where fans know we need a minimum two strikers, plus holding and creative midfielder yet the management focus on keepers and development opportunities that rarely materialize. Spent big money on decent players for our level, but only to retain what we had last year where we didn't exactly set the league alight. I really hope we start like a house on fire such we might attract some decent loanees as should the wheels come off first two games i dread to think how this season might go? I know little of Sammy S but who else is going to 'step-up'? Ah, the “selling club” accusation. Please tell me who isn’t a “selling club” when a huge offer for a player comes in from a team in a higher division capable of paying higher wages and the player wants to leave? We’re a club that’s just made a £15m-odd profit on a player in 12 months, having sold our better players the previous season and yet still continued our upward trajectory with a fifth season of consecutive improvement. That proves we are currently making shrewd business decisions. The timing isn’t ideal, but we don’t have complete control over that, and with the transfer window still open and money in our pocket, I’m willing to give Johnson and Ashton the benefit of the doubt right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 2 hours ago, bristolcitysweden said: When will we see a footballer with a working brain thinking long term underatanding he is on astronomic money as it is The minute they don't have agents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 1 hour ago, BCFC Grim said: We are weaker. People can try and dress it up as they like. We've lost our best player and taken a gamble on a lower league player( I actually think it will pay off). Fingers crossed I won't be saying the same thing next week. How about we wait and see if we are weaker once we have spent the money yea? I didn't know that the transfer window closed straight after Webster signed for Brighton. Geez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: Save none are 'permanent employees' - BCFC are not John Lewis Partnership. Players remain akin consultants for as long as their contracts last, rarely greater than 4 seasons. How then do you explain players like 'the mock mick' who's still under contract yet doesn't believe himself to be 'valued' as an employee given he's tried every trick in the book to get away, as did Maynard, as did.....(insert name here?) It’s not a perfect analogy. As you well know, football doesn’t conform with the conventions of any other business but you’ll no doubt understand the comparison I made. Palmer, for instance now knows where he and is family are likely to live for more than nine months. He’ll be able to come home from work every night to see his little boy which will settle them all. They can plan schools and become part of their community. That’s got to be good and help him play better on the field? Regarding O’Dowda he’s effectively handed in his notice but until he leaves he’s our asset and we have to sweat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Rudolf Hucker said: Regarding O’Dowda he’s effectively handed in his notice but until he leaves he’s our asset and we have to sweat it. What, he'll be flipping burgers in the fan zone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 16 minutes ago, Up The City! said: How about we wait and see if we are weaker once we have spent the money yea? I didn't know that the transfer window closed straight after Webster signed for Brighton. Geez. How about you read my post properly? I said fingers crossed we arnt weaker in a weeks time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHienz Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: What, he'll be flipping burgers in the fan zone? I would actually enjoy seeing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiled Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 I swear he never looked this happy at any point with us. #newrelationship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Xiled said: I swear he never looked this happy at any point with us. #newrelationship Probably just checked his bank balance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 36 minutes ago, billywedlock said: Well done MA and LJ making so much money in 12months.That will cover the losses for last season. Is there a point in any given 24 hours when you cheer up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 3 hours ago, Red Exile said: or indeed this: can't beat that really! Good luck to him. How classy is that? There's a few out there that could learn from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 50 minutes ago, Lucan said: Are people actually trying to say we are stronger than last year?? The mind boggles... Not a single person has said that. However, the transfer window wasn't closed last time I checked, and we have quite a transfer kitty to play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 4 hours ago, Boston Red said: It's a pity we could not have sold Webster at the start of the transfer window and then kept Lloyd Kelly to be his replacement. No thanks... I'll keep the £12mil cheers! Even better business than Webby's fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Xiled said: That'll do nicely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 I'd be grinning like that for years if I were in that position. It must feel like a lottery win as he's probably now an instant millionaire. Mad world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 I’m sad to see him go, but can’t begrudge him the move and at least we’ve received a hefty fee for him. Good luck Adam and thanks for last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 4 hours ago, Lucan said: Are people actually trying to say we are stronger than last year?? The mind boggles... Where has anyone said that? Man-for-man, our likely starting 11 has gained Szmodics and Bentley but lost Webster. You might say that’s a net zero gain (or worse). But, we have money to play with and the transfer window is still open. The other thing I would add is that signing the 3 Chelsea players permanently gives us a big advantage in the longer term compared with last season; they’re ours now. If they leave it’ll be on our terms, when we decide, and probably for money. We don’t have the worry of how we replace the loans at the end of the season. This might not be our season, but we are building the foundations of a squad that can compete at the top end of the division beyond the next 12 months, and we are reducing our reliance on loans. It’s a subtle but important step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 A shame we lost him but a good deal financially. We have known about this for a long time so presumably we have a replacement lined up. Hopefully this also unlocks a striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 At the beginning of the summer we were looking likely to lose Webster and Kelly, and with Kalas and Dasilva returning to Chelsea we were on the verge of losing 3/4 of our back 4. Webster is an exceptional talent ( Ive said before, the best Ive seen since Gary Collier) but long term keeping Kalas and Dasilva could be more important. especially allied to the signings of Szmodics and Palmer, all of which could only have happened with Kelly's sale. If, as we all hope the club does pay out big money to bring in a good striker ( that so many have been crying out for and say that we desperately need) then that purchase will only happen because of the fee received for Webster. If such a striker does deliver the goods, then I would argue that affording him is more important than keeping Webster would have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 8 hours ago, Bristol Rob said: Can't spend money you don't have on players you might not need if a transaction isn't completed. So whilst the timing isn't great, you can hardly ask the other clubs to get their bids in early, just so we have a chance of signing a replacement. Exactly, and there are a whole host of clubs who’d give their right arm to sell one of their players for a tidy sum to launch their recruitment drive. It’s why it’s been fairly static fees-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 5 hours ago, Xiled said: I swear he never looked this happy at any point with us. #newrelationship Born an hour from Brighton, fan growing up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC11 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 5 hours ago, Xiled said: I swear he never looked this happy at any point with us. #newrelationship I beg to differ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 5 hours ago, Xiled said: I swear he never looked this happy at any point with us. #newrelationship £££ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtucks Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 5 hours ago, Lucan said: Are people actually trying to say we are stronger than last year?? The mind boggles... I guess you probably said the same a year ago when Flint left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 I would like to wish Adam all the best in the Prem, let’s hope he fares better than Joe and Bobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yozzarian Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 If the club HADN'T sold Webster for the fee we've secured I'd have been pissed off. Great player but with those we've secured already we are stronger overall; another year together and the lads who almost got us into the Top 6 may well do so this time around. If we've another 1 or 2 lined up before the end of the transfer window things might just end up better than this. Have a bit of optimism lads. All targets will have been lined up, the cards will now hopefully fall into place. I also happen to feel that the acquisitions of Palmer, Szmodics & Rowe are being undervalued by some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 This has always felt like a chain of centre back sales: Maguire to Man United, Dunk to Leicester, Webster to Brighton. The question is do we really need another centre back? Probably not given we have 5 players who feel that is their best position already with club. What we need is a striker, plus midfielder and a right back, but that probably hasn't changed since day 1 of the transfer window. The difference now is that the club can't claim that it doesn't have the money to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 Shame he’s gone but until we’re elevated ourselves to the level the likes of Brighton and Bournemouth have, and have the financial firepower to resist fees like we just received, then we will struggle to retain our grade a talent. It should be noted as a positive that we are now constantly developing both our own players and those we bring in to a level where clubs currently higher up the ‘food chain’ snap them up for big money; both helps the club materially but also in terms of presenting us in a good light to potential recruits. I will admit to being a little confused over the make up of the squad this year, as have a glut of what are described as ‘attaching midfielders’ while being what could be seen as light up top. But we were missing Fam for the start of last season, with Taylor having fitness issues, if I recall correctly, so perhaps we’re hoping that the that pair plus Weimann supported by a bunch of creative players will be enough firepower. Leeds will be a tough early test but almost glad we have that to open with Sky watching on, as if we are going to progress these are the type of match ups we should have the squad relishing. Hopeful we can continue to progress this season, but that would suggest a genuine shot at playoff football, so preparing for some ups and downs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED4LIFE Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 On 21/06/2019 at 19:58, RED4LIFE said: As much as it pains me to say it, I've heard a deal has been agreed with an un-named Prem team for £20m. I have heard this from someone who has given me very good info in the past and I know the people at the club he has links with. I really hope it isn't true but knowing who this guy knows, I'm kind of thinking it has some legs. Time will tell I suppose but thinking rationally there is no way we can turn down that sort of money. Ahem, if Kid In The Riot can bring up historical posts to prove he was correct, then surely I can too? Besides, I got kinda nailed for this at the time so feels like a little bit of justification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Interesting to note that Webster didn't get off the bench Saturday- HOWEVER his move was late in the window like a few of their signings, plus Dan Burn played very well by all accounts and surely has been good in pre season so kept his place- back 3 was Duffy-Dunk-Burn. I'm sure he and a number of other Brighton signings will be eased in- hard to get in a team who got a result like they got Saturday though. Burn in fact MOTM apparently, or at least according to varied social media based Brighton fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 04/08/2019 at 22:23, RED4LIFE said: Ahem, if Kid In The Riot can bring up historical posts to prove he was correct, then surely I can too? Besides, I got kinda nailed for this at the time so feels like a little bit of justification. We can all do that (May 21)! Shame he’s gone though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Didn't get off the bench again I see. Still REALLY early days of course but he is so far their only summer signing (don't include possibles for the academy or development) to get no game time thusfar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Sadly for him, the first time he`ll get a game will be at the swamp in the League Cup so he can look forward to his first outing being greeted by ninety minutes of `shitheeeeead` being screamed at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: Sadly for him, the first time he`ll get a game will be at the swamp in the League Cup so he can look forward to his first outing being greeted by ninety minutes of `shitheeeeead` being screamed at him. And whilst doing so they can gaze at him ..........and consider the fact that he’s worth more than their entire Club Bricks , mortar, players..........the whole job lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: And whilst doing so they can gaze at him ..........and consider the fact that he’s worth more than their entire Club Bricks , mortar, players..........the whole job lot Does that include the mysterious London office and Wally's nice watch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, chinapig said: Does that include the mysterious London office and Wally's nice watch? Ahhhhhh No China They are merely listed as ‘owners perks’ I’m afraid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.D Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 I was at the Brighton match yesterday, hoping to see him get some time.. Dan Burn surprised me out of the back three, I said to friends at the match, as soon as he gets a nod, he won't get dropped. Shane Duffy, as good as he is as a defender doesn't fit into what Potter is doing, give it a couple of weeks and he will be starting.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Didn't get off the bench again I see. Still REALLY early days of course but he is so far their only summer signing (don't include possibles for the academy or development) to get no game time thusfar. I didn't think he looked in great shape vs Forest Green when I watched him . Certainly not fit enough for the Prem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC11 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 8 hours ago, Andy082005 said: I didn't think he looked in great shape vs Forest Green when I watched him . Certainly not fit enough for the Prem He probably already knew he was going at that point so more than likely trying to stay injury free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydneybcfc Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Its probably going to be a little like the season Flint stayed here for him. If i remember Flint almost left but we'd already signed Wright and Baker to replace him, after a spell on the bench he ended up back in the team for the season with Wright only getting game time at right-back due to injury. Only difference is Dunk is in the team from the start and Webster now finds his place blocked by the bloke he was supposed to replace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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