spudski Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 FA Rule E3 (2) relates to “aggravated breaches” and states: A breach of Rule E3 (1) is an “Aggravated Breach” where it includes a reference, whether express or implied, to any one or more of the following :- ethnic origin, colour, race, nationality, religion or belief, gender, gender reassignment, sexual orientation or disability One of Cellino’s comments made reference to one of the above and therefore the FA also charged him in accordance with Rule E3 (2). I recall Cellini doing the same when we played Leeds. At a corner...he shouted to Ayling to mark the big bloke with the two left feet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City oz Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, spudski said: FA Rule E3 (2) relates to “aggravated breaches” and states: A breach of Rule E3 (1) is an “Aggravated Breach” where it includes a reference, whether express or implied, to any one or more of the following :- ethnic origin, colour, race, nationality, religion or belief, gender, gender reassignment, sexual orientation or disability One of Cellino’s comments made reference to one of the above and therefore the FA also charged him in accordance with Rule E3 (2). Well i hope Leeds put an appeal in to the FA and other clubs also support Leeds. This is utter nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 12 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Is describing someone as a ‘negro’ racist? I totally get this is such a minefield in the modern world, but still can’t see the racism ... Are you being serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, City oz said: Well i hope Leeds put an appeal in to the FA and other clubs also support Leeds. This is utter nonsense How do you appeal against a law in place. According to the law you can't mention colour. 'Mark the black man' in Spanish is...' marca al hombre negro if he spoke in his native tongue you can see why it sounds 'offensive' to somene. Either way...the law states that you can't mention colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Are you being serious? The word ‘negro’ means black in Spanish - the Leeds goalkeeper is Spanish and, if accounts of this incident are to be believed, it seems he described an opposition player as ‘black’ in his own language when asking a defender to mark him - is that racist? I’m not simply disagreeing with you, just discussing this subject... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: The word ‘negro’ means black in Spanish - the Leeds goalkeeper is Spanish and, if accounts of this incident are to be believed, it seems he described an opposition player as ‘black’ in his own language when asking a defender to mark him - is that racist? I’m not simply disagreeing with you, just discussing this subject... It is a racist word in this country, clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, JonDolman said: It is a racist word in this country, clearly. If your mother tongue is English and you are referring to colour, you say 'black'. In Spanish...the word for Black is 'Negro'. How else does a Spanish person say the word 'Black'? Not being funny mate...but if he's used the word black in his mother tongue, you can't help saying the word 'negro'. He even brought professional lip readers to the hearing to prove that's what was said, and Nketiah as witness. Imo...he most likely isn't racist, or used the term in a racist manner. He described the colour of the man to mark in his native tongue. Which heard by an English speaker would be seen in this day and age as Racist. Either way...he contavened an FA Rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPAZZA Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 So “Black” is a racist word? Hmmm okay. We are told that “People of Colour” is a PC way to say things, but then what happens is that you lump EVERYONE who isn’t white into one category, hardly suitable. Black is a colour, the same as White, Purple and Green (a nod to your disgusting away kit way back when), it’s a descriptive word. Quite how a descriptive accurate word can be offensive is laughable. Reading the above “FA Rules” if I say mark the tall lad at the back, what if he turns around and says I don’t identify as a Male as therefore you’ve offended me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City oz Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 24 minutes ago, spudski said: How do you appeal against a law in place. According to the law you can't mention colour. 'Mark the black man' in Spanish is...' marca al hombre negro if he spoke in his native tongue you can see why it sounds 'offensive' to somene. Either way...the law states that you can't mention colour. How about this for a scenario, there is five b@^&k players in the box and only one white. The goalie is playing for the same team as the five players. What happens if the goalie shouts watch the white fella as the opposing team takes a corner. Is that an aggravated breach or does common sense prevail that it is a figure of speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 1 minute ago, City oz said: How about this for a scenario, there is five b@^&k players in the box and only one white. The goalie is playing for the same team as the five players. What happens if the goalie shouts watch the white fella as the opposing team takes a corner. Is that an aggravated breach or does common sense prevail that it is a figure of speech. What we think is common sense is neither here or there....the FA laws state you can't mention colour. It's as simple as that. However...in your scenario, I'd hope the same law applied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, spudski said: If your mother tongue is English and you are referring to colour, you say 'black'. In Spanish...the word for Black is 'Negro'. How else does a Spanish person say the word 'Black'? Not being funny mate...but if he's used the word black in his mother tongue, you can't help saying the word 'negro'. He even brought professional lip readers to the hearing to prove that's what was said, and Nketiah as witness. Imo...he most likely isn't racist, or used the term in a racist manner. He described the colour of the man to mark in his native tongue. Which heard by an English speaker would be seen in this day and age as Racist. Either way...he contavened an FA Rule. He was the only Spanish player in the Leeds team. Follow the simple rules of not mentioning race, colour or ethnicity and there would be no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmissionImpossible Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 Seriously, some of the replies on this thread are staggering in their ignorance. Black is not a racist word but using it to single someone out is lazy/crass at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, JonDolman said: He was the only Spanish player in the Leeds team. Follow the simple rules of not mentioning race, colour or ethnicity and there would be no problem. I agree...he made that mistake of using the word black in his mother tongue. Imo...that doesn't make him a racist though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 38 minutes ago, JonDolman said: It is a racist word in this country, clearly. There’s not much more I can add to @spudski‘s very eloquent, comprehensive and balanced replies to you above ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fpcity Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 32 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: The word ‘negro’ means black in Spanish - the Leeds goalkeeper is Spanish and, if accounts of this incident are to be believed, it seems he described an opposition player as ‘black’ in his own language when asking a defender to mark him - is that racist? I’m not simply disagreeing with you, just discussing this subject... I don't think it is. You've got a Spanish player organising his defence, trying to do it quickly and probably doesn't know Lekos name so instinctively says negro. Now it this was Bentley saying mark the negro that would be racist as he will know in this county that word is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Badger08 said: I want to be able to call someone black Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City oz Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, bearded_red said: Why? Because in some countries people are proud to be called black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Badger08 said: Why? Because it isn't racist? Weird desire, but I guess we all have dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 1 minute ago, City oz said: Because in some countries people are proud to be called black. And that’s fine. I just find the sentence ‘I want to be able to call someone black’ odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said: “The incident took place in Charlton’s win over the Whites on 28 September” - has anyone complained about this line in the BBC report? Surely they could have described Leeds United using a more appropriate term in this day and age rather than refer to the colour of their kit ... why not call them the ‘Yorkshire club’ or ‘Leeds’ or ‘the premier-bound team’ or anything else to avoid using ‘white’ ? Obviously I’m not being very serious here but many people seem to proactively look for any way of being offended and insulted all day every day, they constantly search for hate and reasons to complain where often none exists ... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-41337127 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City oz Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-41337127 Well done that team. Why should they have to change their motto. How do you think it would go if some one told the KIWI rugby team that you have to change your name from the old blacks. I think the prim and proper ones on these threads tonight need to look at reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRaw Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, bearded_red said: And that’s fine. I just find the sentence ‘I want to be able to call someone black’ odd. I doubt he meant wanting to call someone black even if he knew his name.....just being able to use the term ‘black’ without bring classed a racist. it is not a racist term.......black lives matter, music of black origin etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 15 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-41337127 I used to work with a Tranmere Rovers fan and there were even calls for them to have their ‘Super White Army’ chant banned - the world is going mad ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 15 hours ago, ZiderEyed said: Yep. He was alleged to have said "mark the black one" wasn't he? I mean its a very strange thing to say but I don't know about racist. The phrase you have used is not racist. ‘a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.‘ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, City oz said: Well done that team. Why should they have to change their motto. How do you think it would go if some one told the KIWI rugby team that you have to change your name from the old blacks. I think the prim and proper ones on these threads tonight need to look at reality Um... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 20 minutes ago, bearded_red said: And that’s fine. I just find the sentence ‘I want to be able to call someone black’ odd. ....that’s because you cut @Badger08‘s sentence in half to make it seem ‘odd’ - Badger08 posted “I want to be able to call someone black without being called a racist” - your editing was done to make it seem like Badger08 just had a desire to call someone black - now that’s odd ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Badger08 said: Pretty obvious what I mean. It's typical of you snowflake types to twist and make out something that isn't there Please provide evidence that I’ve twisted anything. Please provide evidence that I’m a ‘snowflake’ remembering that you’re the one that’s angry on the internet while I’m just winding you up and have absolutely no interest in this ‘debate’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: ....that’s because you cut @Badger08‘s sentence in half to make it seem ‘odd’ - Badger08 posted “I want to be able to call someone black without being called a racist” - your editing was done to make it seem like Badger08 just had a desire to call someone black - now that’s odd ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Badger08 said: Please read post number #53 from @BS4 on Tour... No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Badger08 said: Please read post number #53 from @BS4 on Tour... No interest in the debate, but you're happily trying to twist things to make them look racially motivated? I literally haven’t ‘twisted’ anything. I found it odd, I asked you, you answered. Case closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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