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11 minutes ago, Chivs said:

Happy to help @Harry

 

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Not sure it's fully the case when it comes to football. The players aren't really affected by covid, most will be asymptomatic. If they have vulnerable family members then fair enough but players themselves will likely be fine. 

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25 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Because There’s been about four games postponed already this season and now we’re nose diving into the worst daily case levels ever

Four games out of how many? And it’s two in the Prem isn’t it?

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In some other leagues and also in rugby teams that have failed to fulfil fixtures, even though due to Covid, have seen their opponents awarded a 3-0 win in football and a a number of points in rugby. This prevents a fixture back log as well as encouraging teams to keep players healthy.

If the Prem was to award Everton a 3-0 win for tonight's game v Man C, would a legal challenge from Man  C be following?

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4 minutes ago, 22A said:

In some other leagues and also in rugby teams that have failed to fulfil fixtures, even though due to Covid, have seen their opponents awarded a 3-0 win in football and a a number of points in rugby. This prevents a fixture back log as well as encouraging teams to keep players healthy.

If the Prem was to award Everton a 3-0 win for tonight's game v Man C, would a legal challenge from Man  C be following?

Bristol Flyers lost their opening two games 20-0 for having to forfeit.  Sounds harsh, but it impresses on players / staff that they need stay safe and follow the protocols.

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9 minutes ago, 22A said:

In some other leagues and also in rugby teams that have failed to fulfil fixtures, even though due to Covid, have seen their opponents awarded a 3-0 win in football and a a number of points in rugby. This prevents a fixture back log as well as encouraging teams to keep players healthy.

If the Prem was to award Everton a 3-0 win for tonight's game v Man C, would a legal challenge from Man  C be following?

100% without a doubt

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10 minutes ago, Super said:

Only 4 league one games go ahead tomorrow.

Only a matter of time before season cancelled imo. A couple of months of what we seem to have coming, Covid wise, and I just cannot see how the season can be finished anywhere near May. Teams will be playing four games a week.

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3 hours ago, Harry said:

I’m still amazed at the inconsistency. 
We’ve seen some games in the EFL cancelled due to positive tests, others have gone ahead. 
Man C had 2 positives on Xmas day and were allowed to carry on and play Newcastle the next day. Now it transpires, 2 days later, that they have more positives. Surely that should mean that all the Newcastle players should isolate for 10 days, but no, they’ll be carrying on as normal. 
Just seems really inconsistent in how it’s applied to each team but also how it’s applied vs the rest of the population. 
 

I’m just not ‘getting’ it, to be honest. 

Haven't Newcastle already had a game postponed through their own players testing positive?

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57 minutes ago, Robin Wood said:

This season won't end as it should do it will be extended then finish like last season with points average roll on next season because this one feels over 

Can't for the higher divisions at least if Euro 2020ne is happening, there's a hard deadline when domestic leagues must finish before the tournament.

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On 25/12/2020 at 22:02, phantom said:

Wasn't there a study that a footballer didn't actually stand close enough to a specific player to contract the virus?

I'm still amazed the EFL are not routinely testing 

Not sure there's any reason or evidence that would back up that % of players would be higher than any other industry. 

Only Man City would have a complete test of staff, but surely that is the whole squad and staff around training and matchday squads. 

Apart from maybe one or two clubs numbers affected have always been low

When the EFL brings in mass testing in January will be the make or break time on a larger scale 

Below shows tests in the Premier League, clearly indicating there's not any mass problemsScreenshot_20201225-220457_Samsung Internet.jpg

Multiply the above over the top four divisions, there is no mass problem. 

Please deal with facts and not misguided opinions 

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Good decision by the Aussies.although their distances are far greater than the Englands

The EFL made a decision to have long distance fixtures during midweek and local games on saturday

Although I prefer long distance fixtures on a saturday and short distance fixtures in mid week.

It was costing me a fortune to stay over night,although I can't see it happening in the first half of 2021

Bristol bears match has been moved to a 3pm kick off on new years day from its orgional evening kick off time

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15 hours ago, lenred said:

No chance.  EFL maybe but no way Prem stops. They’ll just have to manage games as they have done so far with Newcastle and now Man City. 

Because one game has been postponed? 

It's not just one though is it. There's been 3? Prem Games, and there were 8 games in total Saturday across the football league

Edit: 7 of today's league one games called off.

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1 hour ago, Alan Dicks' Barmy Army said:

I find it amazing all the people claiming the leagues won't be finished, what exactly are you basing this on?

The actual number of positive tests is miniscule, much is preventative measures to stop contact with these players etc.

Miniscule? Hardly (relative to the history of cases in this country). 40k and accelerating. More people in hospital than in the worst period in April. 2000 people a day admitted to hospital.

1 hour ago, Alan Dicks' Barmy Army said:

They are typical of someone who doesn't have an actual understanding of what is going on, yet can only see the headlines 

Oh please wise one, tell me what's actually going on

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12 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Bristol Flyers lost their opening two games 20-0 for having to forfeit.  Sounds harsh, but it impresses on players / staff that they need stay safe and follow the protocols.

I disagree , whilst there have been instances of players flouting the rules, a number of these players will have kids who still go to school. Lower down the leagues, players will have partners who work. A number of ways players can pick up covid through normal day to day even if they follow the protocols.

Mentioned earlier in the thread, the FA cup weekend will be the worry. Spurs play Marine , whose players will be doing their day to day jobs. Plus a number of lower league clubs where testing isn’t as rigorous as the top flight - is sure to see a spike 

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55 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

It's not just one though is it. There's been 3? Prem Games, and there were 8 games in total Saturday across the football league

Edit: 7 of today's league one games called off.

Its 2 prem games I think. Really doesn’t matter imho how many EFL games get postponed it’s a different beast to the Prem. It’s all conjecture obviously, but I just dont see the Prem stopping. All about the coin. We shall see. 

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38 minutes ago, daored said:

I disagree , whilst there have been instances of players flouting the rules, a number of these players will have kids who still go to school. Lower down the leagues, players will have partners who work. A number of ways players can pick up covid through normal day to day even if they follow the protocols.

Mentioned earlier in the thread, the FA cup weekend will be the worry. Spurs play Marine , whose players will be doing their day to day jobs. Plus a number of lower league clubs where testing isn’t as rigorous as the top flight - is sure to see a spike 

Yep it’s a good point. Can see the cup being postponed. 

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The below is from their own testing figures;

In total there has been 24,615 tests, of these tests 111 originally tested positive - no details on how many of these were false positives

Which breaks down into a weekly average of 1538 tests and 6.9 positive results.

The past two weeks have both been under the average, so will be interesting to see if there is a spike anywhere, but clearly doesn't match anything like that of the wider general public

 

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1 hour ago, Son of Fred said:

The new variant is not only more infectious,,,there is around a 25% rise in very high viral load...that's the headline.

This means a higher percentage of those infected can expect a poor outcome - with obviously more pressure on the NHS.

You are forgetting that footballers are not living the same lives as we are, the Prem lot are nigh on living in bubbles and even the EFL players are purposely instructed to be more vigilant.

I'll take the discussion of your last line onto the actual Coronavirus discussion thread, but the NHS are not impacted by this testing they are all done privately. It is important not to assume that problems that impact us will impact on these footballers

1 hour ago, lenred said:

Its 2 prem games I think. Really doesn’t matter imho how many EFL games get postponed it’s a different beast to the Prem. It’s all conjecture obviously, but I just dont see the Prem stopping. All about the coin. We shall see. 

Was interesting that as recently as September the Prem said that games should not be postponed unless there was a major problem as squad sizes are so big, it was mentioned as long as there were 14 players available that the games should go on

1 hour ago, MarcusX said:

Miniscule? Hardly (relative to the history of cases in this country). 40k and accelerating. More people in hospital than in the worst period in April. 2000 people a day admitted to hospital.

Oh please wise one, tell me what's actually going on

Headlines and facts are two very different things, like I said above this is not the thread for these discussions, but there are many medical personnel around the country shrugging their shoulders looking at wards no busier than normal at the moment.

Do you think it was a coincidence that the Nightingale Hospital in London was closed.... it was never used !

Anyway this is about football not the virus

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28 minutes ago, Alan Dicks' Barmy Army said:

Do you think it was a coincidence that the Nightingale Hospital in London was closed.... it was never used !

The Nightingale Hospitals re; intended use was a flawed concept..

Barely enough ITU staff available to man units in general hospitals.

They could've/should be used to ease pressures on hospitals in the general sense..

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19 minutes ago, markcarter said:

Football will certainly be suspended pretty soon.  There’s a reasonable chance that either Luton or Brentford will be our last match this season.  It’s going to be truly horrific for the next few months and they may just have to cut and run at some point.

Why oh why do you keep bleating on the same thing, have you not read any of the posts above that show the numbers in the game are all very low?

 

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21 minutes ago, markcarter said:

Football will certainly be suspended pretty soon.  There’s a reasonable chance that either Luton or Brentford will be our last match this season.  It’s going to be truly horrific for the next few months and they may just have to cut and run at some point.

Do you get a kick out of posting this nonsense all the time?  

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6 minutes ago, Harry said:

I find it a bit weird that they’re stopping kids going back to school, but football can carry on as normal. 
That’s the kinda shit that gets me triggered. ? 

You trying to apply logic again Harry!!

They keep opening up and locking down things in the wrong order.  It’s almost like they couldn’t give a sh1t.

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34 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Specifically on whether fans can return- or not!

A few might be interested in this, experiment going on or planned anyway in Holland.

https://www.wionews.com/world/spray-experiment-in-netherlands-biggest-football-stadium-could-bring-back-crowds-348567

I think for the next couple of months at least crowds being back will be off the menu completely.  

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Yep. 
Lockdown 2.0 is coming. 
Let’s face it, the November lockdown was just a Lockdown shandy. 
This one will be proper again. 

But....will it? 

If they’re gonna have to go for a strict national lockdown again, and they’re gonna close schools, then they need to do it properly and go the whole hog. 

If my kids school is closing, then fine. But if people are still flying in and out of the country, playing football, going to The Range/B&Q etc, allowed to ‘protest’ etc etc, then I’ll be ******* angry. 

If they have to do it, do it properly. If it’s piecemeal, then there’s no ******* point. If my kids education has to be put on pause, then so does football, holidaying, browsing diy stores etc. 

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6 minutes ago, Harry said:

Yep. 
Lockdown 2.0 is coming. 
Let’s face it, the November lockdown was just a Lockdown shandy. 
This one will be proper again. 

But....will it? 

If they’re gonna have to go for a strict national lockdown again, and they’re gonna close schools, then they need to do it properly and go the whole hog. 

If my kids school is closing, then fine. But if people are still flying in and out of the country, playing football, going to The Range/B&Q etc, allowed to ‘protest’ etc etc, then I’ll be ******* angry. 

If they have to do it, do it properly. If it’s piecemeal, then there’s no ******* point. If my kids education has to be put on pause, then so does football, holidaying, browsing diy stores etc. 

What on earth have you ever seen done by Boris to suggest he’ll ever do anything properly?

He leads by leaving decisions too late... when all other alternatives have gone, so he can just say “this was the best option available” when in reality it’s the only one because all other options have sailed off into the night... see covid, Brexit, etc. 

I’ll see you in B&Q. 

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8 minutes ago, Harry said:

Yep. 
Lockdown 2.0 is coming. 
Let’s face it, the November lockdown was just a Lockdown shandy. 
This one will be proper again. 

But....will it? 

If they’re gonna have to go for a strict national lockdown again, and they’re gonna close schools, then they need to do it properly and go the whole hog. 

If my kids school is closing, then fine. But if people are still flying in and out of the country, playing football, going to The Range/B&Q etc, allowed to ‘protest’ etc etc, then I’ll be ******* angry. 

If they have to do it, do it properly. If it’s piecemeal, then there’s no ******* point. If my kids education has to be put on pause, then so does football, holidaying, browsing diy stores etc. 

So not actually announced yet?

So he is the latest in the MarcusX to keep repeating something until it becomes real?

I like the bold line above, interested that you have used it many times now

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7 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

What on earth have you ever seen done by Boris to suggest he’ll ever do anything properly?

He leads by leaving decisions too late... when all other alternatives have gone, so he can just say “this was the best option available” when in reality it’s the only one because all other options have sailed off into the night... see covid, Brexit, etc. 

I’ll see you in B&Q. 

Spot on, and he'll announce it, "With a very heavy heart." 

As The Guardian's brilliant Marina Hyde recently wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/01/boris-johnson-victim-emotions 

But mainly, we are forever being subjected to self-dramatising speeches about the latest virus measures he hates, to which the only dignified response is: I couldn’t care less how it all makes you feel. You’re the prime minister. The people listening are the ones you’re supposed to lead, not your psychotherapist.

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43 minutes ago, Down Town said:

So not actually announced yet?

So he is the latest in the MarcusX to keep repeating something until it becomes real?

I like the bold line above, interested that you have used it many times now

No, not announced yet. But the narrative this afternoon, and multiple press speculation (often founded on government insiders) certainly suggests that much stricter measures are going to be announced at 8pm tonight. 
 

As for the bit in bold, ie school closures, which you correctly say I’ve mentioned a few times. I’ll fully explain myself. 
 

I have a daughter in primary school. I view primary school as the most important function in early years development in children - not just in an educational sense, but in a socio sense. It’s where they learn friendship, relationships, how to interact with people, how to conduct themselves, learn right and wrong and discipline, consequences of actions, essentially it’s where they learn to ‘live’, how to become part of a social society. 
Early years education is the most important thing in this country. If you don’t have primary age children able to learn all of those socio-skills, then in 10 years time you’re gonna have a cohort of kids who don’t know how to function with each other, and from that you will lead on to increased mental health problems, increased drug dependancy, increased crime, increased poverty, etc etc. 

During lockdown 1, I saw the impact the lack of proper education, but more crucially, interaction with other children, had on my daughter. 
She began to stutter. Began to lose self-confidence. Began to behave poorly. Nothing extreme, just little signs here and there that if the lockdown went on much longer, there would be bigger problems. 
 

So, given that primary education, in my view, is the single most important thing for a functioning society, I would be incredibly disappointed if our children are once again denied their schooling, whilst a bunch of footballers could still kick a ball about, a bunch of celebs can pop off to Dubai for the week, a bunch of over-politicised gits can ‘protest’ or ‘march’ for whatever cause takes their ire this week, a bunch of bored folks can pop to B&Q to fill their time with unnecessary house adjustments etc etc. 
 

I’m 100% NOT in favour of lockdowns. However, if you HAVE to do it, then you have to do it properly. No leeway, no excuses, no ‘you can meet 3 people in a park as long as you have a poodle’ nonsense. 
Closing schools should be THE absolute last resort. If it’s 1 in it needs to be all in. If schools have to close then everything needs to close - sport, shops, borders, everything. Otherwise, we’ll be back in the same situation in 2 months time ad-infinitum. 
 

I hope that explains my position for you. ?

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1 minute ago, Harry said:

No, not announced yet. But the narrative this afternoon, and multiple press speculation (often founded on government insiders) certainly suggests that much stricter measures are going to be announced at 8pm tonight. 
 

As for the bit in bold, ie school closures, which you correctly say I’ve mentioned a few times. I’ll fully explain myself. 
 

I have a daughter in primary school. I view primary school as the most important function in early years development in children - not just in an educational sense, but in a socio sense. It’s where they learn friendship, relationships, how to interact with people, how to conduct themselves, learn right and wrong and discipline, consequences of actions, essentially it’s where they learn to ‘live’, how to become part of a social society. 
Early years education is the most important thing in this country. If you don’t have primary age children able to learn all of those socio-skills, then in 10 years time you’re gonna have a cohort of kids who don’t know how to function with each other, and from that you will lead on to increased mental health problems, increased drug dependancy, increased crime, increased poverty, etc etc. 

During lockdown 1, I saw the impact the lack of proper education, but more crucially, interaction with other children, had on my daughter. 
She began to stutter. Began to lose self-confidence. Began to behave poorly. Nothing extreme, just little signs here and there that if the lockdown went on much longer, there would be bigger problems. 
 

So, given that primary education, in my view, is the single most important thing for a functioning society, I would be incredibly disappointed if our children are once again denied their schooling, whilst a bunch of footballers could still kick a ball about, a bunch of celebs can pop off to Dubai for the week, a bunch of over-politicised gits can ‘protest’ or ‘march’ for whatever cause takes their ire this week, a bunch of bored folks can pop to B&Q to fill their time with unnecessary house adjustments etc etc. 
 

I’m 100% NOT in favour of lockdowns. However, if you HAVE to do it, then you have to do it properly. No leeway, no excuses, no ‘you can meet 3 people in a park as long as you have a poodle’ nonsense. 
Closing schools should be THE absolute last resort. If it’s 1 in it needs to be all in. If schools have to close then everything needs to close - sport, shops, borders, everything. Otherwise, we’ll be back in the same situation in 2 months time ad-infinitum. 
 

I hope that explains my position for you. ?

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couldn’t agree more , it needs to be strict and it needs to be enforced and with the vacancies it has to be the last one if it takes 8 weeks it takes 8 weeks 

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11 minutes ago, Harry said:

No, not announced yet. But the narrative this afternoon, and multiple press speculation (often founded on government insiders) certainly suggests that much stricter measures are going to be announced at 8pm tonight. 
 

As for the bit in bold, ie school closures, which you correctly say I’ve mentioned a few times. I’ll fully explain myself. 
 

I have a daughter in primary school. I view primary school as the most important function in early years development in children - not just in an educational sense, but in a socio sense. It’s where they learn friendship, relationships, how to interact with people, how to conduct themselves, learn right and wrong and discipline, consequences of actions, essentially it’s where they learn to ‘live’, how to become part of a social society. 
Early years education is the most important thing in this country. If you don’t have primary age children able to learn all of those socio-skills, then in 10 years time you’re gonna have a cohort of kids who don’t know how to function with each other, and from that you will lead on to increased mental health problems, increased drug dependancy, increased crime, increased poverty, etc etc. 

During lockdown 1, I saw the impact the lack of proper education, but more crucially, interaction with other children, had on my daughter. 
She began to stutter. Began to lose self-confidence. Began to behave poorly. Nothing extreme, just little signs here and there that if the lockdown went on much longer, there would be bigger problems. 
 

So, given that primary education, in my view, is the single most important thing for a functioning society, I would be incredibly disappointed if our children are once again denied their schooling, whilst a bunch of footballers could still kick a ball about, a bunch of celebs can pop off to Dubai for the week, a bunch of over-politicised gits can ‘protest’ or ‘march’ for whatever cause takes their ire this week, a bunch of bored folks can pop to B&Q to fill their time with unnecessary house adjustments etc etc. 
 

I’m 100% NOT in favour of lockdowns. However, if you HAVE to do it, then you have to do it properly. No leeway, no excuses, no ‘you can meet 3 people in a park as long as you have a poodle’ nonsense. 
Closing schools should be THE absolute last resort. If it’s 1 in it needs to be all in. If schools have to close then everything needs to close - sport, shops, borders, everything. Otherwise, we’ll be back in the same situation in 2 months time ad-infinitum. 
 

I hope that explains my position for you. ?

I’d just like honesty and transparency behind the decision...and clear rules for going into / coming out of lockdown.

What you get is lies and vested interests in the decision making, total misaligned strategies, e.g. stop infection vs financial compensation packages, e.g. CJRS, BBLS etc....and they plump for some half arsed solution that solves nothing.

 

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10 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

@Harry at this moment

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I’ve lost a fair bit of weight since then ?

But you’re right. I am ******* angry. 
More positive Covids among 30 or so people at BCFC than there has been in my school or many hundreds!! 
More positives today with Derby cancelling. Loads of teams have had positives. Players regularly flouting rules. 
Yet they can carry on as normal whilst our children suffer ????

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55540397
 

if the number was worked out using the governments reporting methods that is 1758 per 100,000

England is an average of 525 per 100,000 at the moment.

But according to the PL there procedures are working (even though players seem to ignore them).

How many of that 40 are infecting family and friends without knowing it.

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51 minutes ago, wayne allisons tongues said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55540397
 

if the number was worked out using the governments reporting methods that is 1758 per 100,000

England is an average of 525 per 100,000 at the moment.

But according to the PL there procedures are working (even though players seem to ignore them).

How many of that 40 are infecting family and friends without knowing it.

Ridiculous isn’t it. That football is still being played. 
Utterly ridiculous. 

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23 hours ago, Down Town said:

So not actually announced yet?

So he is the latest in the MarcusX to keep repeating something until it becomes real?

I like the bold line above, interested that you have used it many times now

Hey? Think you mean @markcarter

I'm not sure I've kept repeating anything that wasn't true - but regardless, at the point this was posted it had already been leaked that lockdown was coming, it was obvious.

 

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