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Only read the first half of the report (rest is too depressing), but the way in which it is written, suggests that someone has been put outside of the "circle of trust".

That's someone who isn't being drip fed lot's of information from the club, especially from the criticism of the coaching staff. 

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39 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

In Gregor and 20man we are lucky to have 2 local journalists who are clearly on our side and not afraid to ask testing questions where possible.

Gregor has certainly given a strong opinion but I don't recall him asking tough questions. He gave Ashton an easy ride for instance, especially compared to Twentyman.

I have some sympathy for him though as he knows he will be denied access if he dares to ask questions the club doesn't like.

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2 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Gregor has certainly given a strong opinion but I don't recall him asking tough questions. He gave Ashton an easy ride for instance, especially compared to Twentyman.

I have some sympathy for him though as he knows he will be denied access if he dares to ask questions the club doesn't like.

I don’t think he has the access because he goes against the grain. The club can’t ignore the BBC but can ignore local press. I think he does a decent job considering.

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1 minute ago, Phileas Fogg said:

I don’t think he has the access because he goes against the grain. The club can’t ignore the BBC but can ignore local press. I think he does a decent job considering.

He has the opportunity to ask tough questions but tends not to. Otherwise I agree.

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47 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

In Gregor and 20man we are lucky to have 2 local journalists who are clearly on our side and not afraid to ask testing questions where possible.

I don’t think he’s “on our side”, it’s rather he tries to write honest reports. 

46 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I’m convinced that GmG reads otib........not much in that article that hasn’t been mentioned on here.

I’ll be convinced he reads OTIB when he says he’ll only believe something when he sees it on the City website 

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To be fair, GMG’ s position is inherently difficult. His total job is reporting on City and he’s reliant necessarily on the access and cooperation of the club, not just for exclusives, but for day to day working, and even travel to away games. The club can withdraw this, wholly or in part, at a stroke. And my experience of working with billionaires- and I have a little- is that they can be uniquely prickly and sensitive. Having read City reportage for almost 50 years, I think the boy does pretty well.

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Stand out bit 8 defeats in 11 wow, is that right? must be I suppose; if that is allowed to continue the unthinkable could happen...........Steve could stir :o

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4 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said:

I find it hard to understand how a professional journalist can have such an awful grasp of how to write in english. Some of his sentences hardly make sense. His writing style is atrocious.

The BBC is probably the worst! Standard of journalism is shocking.

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25 minutes ago, chinapig said:

He has the opportunity to ask tough questions but tends not to. Otherwise I agree.

I think he probably has to balance it. It requires some diplomacy because the club could shut out the post completely if they wanted to.. which his employers wouldn’t want. They’ve definitely given him decreasing access in my opinion.

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22 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

A bit harsh on Mariappa. A CB played out of position at RB and now even more so at LB

I thought it was spot on

as was 

but the constant changing of formation, personnel and lack of a consistent coherent plan does not help Holden and smacks of the tinkering of Lee Johnson. That was something Holden was keen to avoid at the beginning of the season but the early promise of 2020/21 has long gone

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52 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Gregor has certainly given a strong opinion but I don't recall him asking tough questions. He gave Ashton an easy ride for instance, especially compared to Twentyman.

I have some sympathy for him though as he knows he will be denied access if he dares to ask questions the club doesn't like.

Ashton wouldn’t give a newspaper interview without seeing the questions first, IMO. Gregor’s hands are tied to a degree. It’s far easier to put someone under pressure by abandoning a pre-agreed script in a live interview (eg TV or radio). 

31 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said:

I find it hard to understand how a professional journalist can have such an awful grasp of how to write in english. Some of his sentences hardly make sense. His writing style is atrocious.

His writing style is crap, far too colloquial for me. I don’t think any of the content on Bristol Live gets edited before appearing online. 

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3 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

This all goes back to the lowering of standards in education.

 I note that many youngsters who come out of University haven’t even got a grasp of basic spelling or grammar.

:dunno:

 

It wasn't deemed important when I was at uni in 2011. I was absolutely horrified! 

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13 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

This all goes back to the lowering of standards in education.

 I note that many youngsters who come out of University haven’t even got a grasp of basic spelling or grammar.

:dunno:

 

Knot, sew shore reely; yoor Madge.

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1 hour ago, exAtyeoMax said:

The BBC is probably the worst! Standard of journalism is shocking.

Sorry, the Post is the absolute worst. Spelling, grammar and just the basic understanding of the human language are not required to 'work' there.  So many times they print stories with sentences that don't even 

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1 hour ago, Robbored said:

So would I but my point is that GmGs observations are not 100% original......

Some of it is simply obvious though. An inexperienced coach of a Cub Scout team could work out that we are massively painfully vulnerable on our left side and targeting Mariappa will lead to goals, especially as Mawson is struggling without protection outside of him.

I’m not going to criticise Mariappa for being willing to cover a position that he is not suited to and I think criticism of Mawson has to be tempered with the fact that he knows we are weak on his side is causing indecisiveness as he tries to do the job of two players. 
 

But the fact is we now know with 100% certainty that a back four with Mariappa at left back does not work. Having not signed a left back in the transfer window, we have to find a solution there.

 

I do not have a clue what that solution is but trying something - be it five at the back or trying someone else there - has to be better than persisting with something we know for certain not to work.

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1 minute ago, LondonBristolian said:

Some of it is simply obvious though. An inexperienced coach of a Cub Scout team could work out that we are massively painfully vulnerable on our left side and targeting Mariappa will lead to goals, especially as Mawson is struggling without protection outside of him.

I’m not going to criticise Mariappa for being willing to cover a position that he is not suited to and I think criticism of Mawson has to be tempered with the fact that he knows we are weak on his side is causing indecisiveness as he tries to do the job of two players. 
 

But the fact is we now know with 100% certainty that a back four with Mariappa at left back does not work. Having not signed a left back in the transfer window, we have to find a solution there.

 

I do not have a clue what that solution is but trying something - be it five at the back or trying someone else there - has to be better than persisting with something we know for certain not to work.

I would have stuck Vyner there personally. Whatever else you say about him the kid has a football brain.

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2 hours ago, Robbored said:

I’m convinced that GmG reads otib........not much in that article that hasn’t been mentioned on here.

He is watching every game live. I think he’s got a clearer view of what’s going wrong on the pitch than any of us on otib atm

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1 hour ago, Taz said:

Only read the first half of the report (rest is too depressing), but the way in which it is written, suggests that someone has been put outside of the "circle of trust".

That's someone who isn't being drip fed lot's of information from the club, especially from the criticism of the coaching staff. 

Don’t think he was ever in it tbh. Only ever gets contacted by Ashton or Knights for a favour or to have a pop at him for something he’s written. Two may be linked as well. 

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2 hours ago, Robbored said:

I’m convinced that GmG reads otib........not much in that article that hasn’t been mentioned on here.

That's a good thing because then he can ask questions to what we are concerned about nothing wrong with him reading otib. Certain people in the club have it to cozy they need to be rattled with questions.. In my opinion they've not had enough journalist down there throat over the last few years.

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1 hour ago, Bedred31 said:

To be fair, GMG’ s position is inherently difficult. His total job is reporting on City and he’s reliant necessarily on the access and cooperation of the club, not just for exclusives, but for day to day working, and even travel to away games. The club can withdraw this, wholly or in part, at a stroke. And my experience of working with billionaires- and I have a little- is that they can be uniquely prickly and sensitive. Having read City reportage for almost 50 years, I think the boy does pretty well.

He does well. The club is now its own media outlet - so the thing he reports on is a direct competitor. He will only get scraps from them.  

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22 minutes ago, Loco Rojo said:

Sorry, the Post is the absolute worst. Spelling, grammar and just the basic understanding of the human language are not required to 'work' there.  So many times they print stories with sentences that don't even 

 

Newspapers used to have sub-editors, reading reporters' copy and improving it and picking up factual errors. After that, pages went to proof-readers who would carefully scrutinise each word for typos.

In the 90s, proof-readers went by-the-by and nowadays it's unusual for local news outlets to even have subs.

So, yes, the copy for the online edition is input directly by the reporter with no checks. Often late at night. Often after they have completed a hard day's work on multiple other stories.

Owners will argue that the economics of the local news means there are not the resources to process copy in the traditional way.

Ex-subs :sub: would argue that mistakes undermine a publication's entire brand, leading to it losing even more money.

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18 minutes ago, Mendip City said:

He does well. The club is now its own media outlet - so the thing he reports on is a direct competitor. He will only get scraps from them.  

I think he’s good and today’s article a huge (and welcome) contrast for what passes as most local paper sports journalism.

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54 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

This all goes back to the lowering of standards in education.

 I note that many youngsters who come out of University haven’t even got a grasp of basic spelling or grammar.

:dunno:

 

The graduates with good written English skills go into better paid careers. There’s very little money in print journalism roles these days. After all, who pays for a newspaper these days when you can get news for ‘free’ online?

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10 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Newspapers used to have sub-editors, reading reporters' copy and improving it and picking up factual errors. After that, pages went to proof-readers who would carefully scrutinise each word for typos.

In the 90s, proof-readers went by-the-by and nowadays it's unusual for local news outlets to even have subs.

So, yes, the copy for the online edition is input directly by the reporter with no checks. Often late at night. Often after they have completed a hard day's work on multiple other stories.

Owners will argue that the economics of the local news means there are not the resources to process copy in the traditional way.

Ex-subs :sub: would argue that mistakes undermine a publication's entire brand, leading to it losing even more money.

Owners reap what they sow then and they now have an outlet which is trash. Reportes working hard doesn't mean they can't press spell check or spot those zig zag lines under words, to double check.  That is even more important now they don't have a second pair of eyes checking their work. Clearly though, and sadly, the owners didn't value those important roles which judging by the standards or the reporters at the Post, highlights just how important proof readers/subs are. 

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1 hour ago, LondonBristolian said:

Some of it is simply obvious though. An inexperienced coach of a Cub Scout team could work out that we are massively painfully vulnerable on our left side and targeting Mariappa will lead to goals, especially as Mawson is struggling without protection outside of him.

I’m not going to criticise Mariappa for being willing to cover a position that he is not suited to and I think criticism of Mawson has to be tempered with the fact that he knows we are weak on his side is causing indecisiveness as he tries to do the job of two players. 
 

But the fact is we now know with 100% certainty that a back four with Mariappa at left back does not work. Having not signed a left back in the transfer window, we have to find a solution there.

 

I do not have a clue what that solution is but trying something - be it five at the back or trying someone else there - has to be better than persisting with something we know for certain not to work.

I agree. I don’t put any blame at all toward Mariappa. The poor bloke came in as cover at CB, when we were playing 3 CB’s and only had 3 fit ones. 
He’s since had about 10 minutes as a CB (on the left of the 3, a position most right footed CB’s find uncomfortable), been shunted to RB, RWB and now LB. 

We need to do something else there.  My shout would be a back 3, and Nagy as wing back. He’s got the engine for the position and he’s a good one on one defender, so I think his skill set would suit better than any of our existing CB’s, and you definitely can’t put Semenyo (like yesterday) or Wells there  

Nagy for LWB, for me. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Harry said:

I agree. I don’t put any blame at all toward Mariappa. The poor bloke came in as cover at CB, when we were playing 3 CB’s and only had 3 fit ones. 
He’s since had about 10 minutes as a CB (on the left of the 3, a position most right footed CB’s find uncomfortable), been shunted to RB, RWB and now LB. 

We need to do something else there.  My shout would be a back 3, and Nagy as wing back. He’s got the engine for the position and he’s a good one on one defender, so I think his skill set would suit better than any of our existing CB’s, and you definitely can’t put Semenyo (like yesterday) or Wells there  

Nagy for LWB, for me. 

 

The team is already disjointed & lacks any rhythm and/or cohesion Har’s without having to play a none left footer on that side going forward as George Nurse should be fit soon & COD after this, hopefully?!? No more square pegs in round holes.....

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3 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

As said before "the Lansdown family" fell out with The Post a long time ago, so there is no requirement for anyone there, Gregor included, to toe the party line. 

That was more to do with the ex editor in chief who was a big Rovers fan

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2 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

This all goes back to the lowering of standards in education.

 I note that many youngsters who come out of University haven’t even got a grasp of basic spelling or grammar.

:dunno:

 

It's not the job of universities to correct grammar and spelling; that should be sorted at primary school.

The general level of written English in this country is shocking: witness the errors in use of "your/you're", or "their/there/they're".

And don't get me started on apostrophes...

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1 hour ago, WarksRobin said:

The graduates with good written English skills go into better paid careers. There’s very little money in print journalism roles these days. After all, who pays for a newspaper these days when you can get news for ‘free’ online?

"For free" is poor grammar. The "For" is unnecessary.

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8 minutes ago, redcherryberry said:

The team is already disjointed & lacks any rhythm and/or cohesion Har’s without having to play a none left footer on that side going forward as George Nurse should be fit soon & COD after this, hopefully?!? No more square pegs in round holes.....

I agree. But at the moment we don’t have any other left footers to fill the role. 
Hence we need to make it a wing back position rather than a full back position (to limit the defensive role as best as you can), and then put someone in there with good energy, a good one on one defensive ability, and the capability of using their left foot. That’s Nagy for me.

Only temporarily obviously. Until Nurse or COD are back. 
But if we persist with Mariappa as a left back or Semenyo as a wing back, we won’t get any more points all season!! 

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27 minutes ago, Harry said:

I agree. I don’t put any blame at all toward Mariappa. The poor bloke came in as cover at CB, when we were playing 3 CB’s and only had 3 fit ones. 
He’s since had about 10 minutes as a CB (on the left of the 3, a position most right footed CB’s find uncomfortable), been shunted to RB, RWB and now LB. 

We need to do something else there.  My shout would be a back 3, and Nagy as wing back. He’s got the engine for the position and he’s a good one on one defender, so I think his skill set would suit better than any of our existing CB’s, and you definitely can’t put Semenyo (like yesterday) or Wells there  

Nagy for LWB, for me. 

 

Ive actually just said something on the team selection topic quite similar. Although i went with Nagy at right wing back & shifting Hunt to left wing back, as at least he has the experience of playing the position. So for Nagy, at least he is not out of position & on his weaker foot. COYR

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1 hour ago, Loco Rojo said:

Owners reap what they sow then and they now have an outlet which is trash. Reportes working hard doesn't mean they can't press spell check or spot those zig zag lines under words, to double check.  That is even more important now they don't have a second pair of eyes checking their work. Clearly though, and sadly, the owners didn't value those important roles which judging by the standards or the reporters at the Post, highlights just how important proof readers/subs are. 

 

I haven't detected lots of spelling errors in Gregor's work, but it often does look a bit rushed - which it probably is. He's clearly put under lots of time pressure and I wouldn't do his job for all the tea in China.

Agree wholeheartedly with you on the short-sightedness of local media owners making their outlets unreadable messes.

The Bristol Post is owned by the appalling Reach group. If you think they've ballsed the Post up, you should see the massacre they've made of their titles in Somerset. All now seemingly written from an office in Yeovil by minimum wage wannabe journalists who never go out on the road (to be fair they are never given time to do so) and clearly do not even know where most places they "cover" are.

It saddens me that I used to write for some of these titles, but they are now only worth buying if you want to peruse the small ads then have something to light the fire with... :crying:

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13 minutes ago, Harry said:

I agree. But at the moment we don’t have any other left footers to fill the role. 
Hence we need to make it a wing back position rather than a full back position (to limit the defensive role as best as you can), and then put someone in there with good energy, a good one on one defensive ability, and the capability of using their left foot. That’s Nagy for me.

Only temporarily obviously. Until Nurse or COD are back. 
But if we persist with Mariappa as a left back or Semenyo as a wing back, we won’t get any more points all season!! 

352 is Holden’s preferred formation too, so all the more baffling he isn't trying to make that system work by shoe-horning a player in, as opposed to doing it in a system that he doesn't even favour. 

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2 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

I haven't detected lots of spelling errors in Gregor's work, but it often does look a bit rushed - which it probably is. He's clearly put under lots of time pressure and I wouldn't do his job for all the tea in China.

Agree wholeheartedly with you on the short-sightedness of local media owners making their outlets unreadable messes.

The Bristol Post is owned by the appalling Reach group. If you think they've ballsed the Post up, you should see the massacre they've made of their titles in Somerset. All now seemingly written from an office in Yeovil by minimum wage wannabe journalists who never go out on the road (to be fair they are never given time to do so) and clearly do not even know where most places they "cover" are.

It saddens me that I used to write for some of these titles, but they are now only worth buying if you want to peruse the small ads then have something to light the fire with... :crying:

Stories taken from around the group, in an attempt to create a headline, to scare the readers of that areas publication. Most of the time they are absolutely nothing to do with the area but, it would appear readers are influenced by those headlines.

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Just now, Rich said:

Stories taken from around the group, in an attempt to create a headline, to scare the readers of that areas publication. Most of the time they are absolutely nothing to do with the area but, it would appear readers are influenced by those headlines.

 

Somerset Live is quite a piece of work. At least 60% is pure clickbait; other "stories" look suspiciously like paid-for advertorials.

I don't blame the staff, who probably entered journalism thinking they were going to be the new Woodwards and Bernstiens, but now find themselves having to rewrite stories about yodelling dogs from Cheshire, in order to pay their rent.

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11 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

352 is Holden’s preferred formation too, so all the more baffling he isn't trying to make that system work by shoe-horning a player in, as opposed to doing it in a system that he doesn't even favour. 

Exactly my thoughts mate. 

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5 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Somerset Live is quite a piece of work. At least 60% is pure clickbait; other "stories" look suspiciously like paid-for advertorials.

I don't blame the staff, who probably entered journalism thinking they were going to be the new Woodwards and Bernstiens, but now find themselves having to rewrite stories about yodelling dogs from Cheshire, in order to pay their rent.

They seem to mirror all the shyte  reality TV programmes, made up from pure and utter rubbish with little substance.

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51 minutes ago, SecretSam said:

It's not the job of universities to correct grammar and spelling; that should be sorted at primary school.

The general level of written English in this country is shocking: witness the errors in use of "your/you're", or "their/there/they're".

And don't get me started on apostrophes...

I would of also mentioned towing the line.

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Good article from the lad . Nothing that has happened this season has surprised me. Holden was part of the problem when LJ was in charge and this is proven by the way he’s managed , carbon copy. We had a chance to clean the slate and the owners went for the yes man and a cheap option . 
Sad to see 

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5 hours ago, cidercity1987 said:

A bit harsh on Mariappa. A CB played out of position at RB and now even more so at LB

Not really, 4 goals in 2 games have come from his side, you might not be naturally left footed, but his experience should suggest that he would know the basics, i.e. not letting the man cut inside him, even that has been lacking. I get why we signed him,to cover Jack Hunt when Sessegnon was injured, but it looks like we signed a has-been. Total waste of a salary, up there with Brunt.

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6 hours ago, Robbored said:

I’m convinced that GmG reads otib........not much in that article that hasn’t been mentioned on here.

He does read OTIB.  Fact.  He told me he does.  In fact he quoted a particular post to me yesterday pre-game.

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A decent thought provoking article from GmG.  His only issue is that he may find information even more difficult to come by if he questions the status quo.

for me, MA has far too much influence on the footballing side of BCFC, going by comments i various threads on here. Yes, he runs the football CLUB but should leave the football people to run the TEAM. Concentrate on the business stuff and leave the 'football' side of things to those employed to do that task.

Well done Gregor.

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1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

He does read OTIB.  Fact.  He told me he does.  In fact he quoted a particular post to me yesterday pre-game.

So GMG, if you're reading this, what do you make of the City womans game I'm currently watching, being 30 minutes in with City controlling and passing the ball better on a snowy pitch and having had more shots on target than the mens team did yesterday?

Honestly, like a breathe of fresh air compared to the turgid turds we were served up against Cardiff.

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

He does read OTIB.  Fact.  He told me he does.  In fact he quoted a particular post to me yesterday pre-game.

If City were your brief you'd be daft not to.

You take the pulse of the clubs' supporters, so to speak, by reading such forums.  

Plus every once in a while, you might get a lead to follow from a snippet posted here.

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1 minute ago, Sleepy1968 said:

So GMG, if you're reading this, what do you make of the City womans game I'm currently watching, being 30 minutes in with City controlling and passing the ball better on a snowy pitch and having had more shots on target than the mens team did yesterday?

Honestly, like a breathe of fresh air compared to the turgid turds we were served up against Cardiff.

Are you saying Matt Beard is going to be the next manager of the mens team?

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Just now, cidercity1987 said:

Are you saying Matt Beard is going to be the next manager of the mens team?

No, but it does help to show that a new conductor might get a better tune out of the orchestra. Having said that, since I've posted they've not looked so good :(

That Ebony Salmon could probably do a job in the team.

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1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Somerset Live is quite a piece of work. At least 60% is pure clickbait; other "stories" look suspiciously like paid-for advertorials.

I don't blame the staff, who probably entered journalism thinking they were going to be the new Woodwards and Bernstiens, but now find themselves having to rewrite stories about yodelling dogs from Cheshire, in order to pay their rent.

Yodeling dogs you say ? 
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