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ExiledAjax

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11 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Will leave the honours to @Hxj but...

Reading winning 2 in a row (yes Derby also won Saturday).

Barnsley winning Tuesday- 2 in 3 actually.

Then the possibility of a new manager bounce for Peterborough as McCann reappointed and Reading with Ince.

Things look a bit trickier how.

Derby have the harder run in as well.

Average ppg of Derby's remaining opponents is 1.46, for Reading it's 1.29. This is mainly because Derby have to play all of the top 3, Bournemouth and QPR away and Fulham at home. Reading have only one game left against Fulham.

Look for the games on 15 and 18 of April in particular, I think that may be when it's finally sorted mathematically. Those fixtures are Fulham and QPR for Derby, and Sheff Utd and Hull for Reading. 2 losses for derby coupled with any points at all for Reading and it'll probably be sealed.

 

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Mr Popodopolous

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1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said:

Derby have the harder run in as well.

Average ppg of Derby's remaining opponents is 1.46, for Reading it's 1.29. This is mainly because Derby have to play all of the top 3, Bournemouth and QPR away and Fulham at home. Reading have only one game left against Fulham.

Look for the games on 15 and 18 of April in particular, I think that may be when it's finally sorted mathematically. Those fixtures are Fulham and QPR for Derby, and Sheff Utd and Hull for Reading. 2 losses for derby coupled with any points at all for Reading and it'll probably be sealed.

 

We don't know if Hull will freefall, actually it's Bournemouth for Reading out of the top 3 but agreed on run-in.

23rd April- oh what's the game that day? Imagine a scenario whereby for Derby every game is a Cup final and must win.

We go there and park the bus or perhaps more likely play on the break. 90 mins Derby hanging on reasonably well to a 1-0 and then...

"Massengo, Massengo to Williams- Williams looks up and plays it to Martin- Martin holds it up and flicks it on- Martin to Weimann, back to Martin and he hits it...it hits the bar but the rebound falls to Weimann..the scrambled rebound!! GOALl!!

"GOAL for Andi Weimann! On his return, his goal- the coup de grace- has salvaged a point for Bristol City and has seen Derby County slide into the third tier for the first time in a generation, since the 1980s".

Derby go down, Weimann (who Lampard sold) with the coup de grace, and indirectly Martin too- and the ultimate vindication for NP!

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30 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

We don't know if Hull will freefall, actually it's Bournemouth for Reading out of the top 3 but agreed on run-in.

23rd April- oh what's the game that day? Imagine a scenario whereby Derby every game is a Cup final and must win.

We go there and park the bus or perhaps more likely play on the break. 90 mins Derby hanging on grimly to a 1-0 and then...

"Massengo, Massengo to Williams- Williams looks up to Martin- Martin holds it up and flicks it- Martin to Weimann, back to Martin and he hits it...the bar but the rebound...the rebound!! Goal!!

"GOAL for Chris Martin! On his return, his goal- the coup de grace has salvaged a point for Bristol City and has seen Derby County slide into the third tier for the first time in a generation, since the 1980s".

Derby go down, Martin with the coup de grace, and indirectly Weimann too- and the ultimate vindication for NP!

It is written 

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20 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

So any news on this takeover since another deadline has passed?

Not from Quantuma! There is a whisper that none of the bidders have met minimum conditions. But it’s all just rumors. 
 

The fact that Quantuma have said zero  for 48 hours leads me to believe there is back n forth over value , debt and the ground. 

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This is all I can find, nothing much yet.

Derby County's administrators are reviewing the offers to buy the club that were made before Wednesday's 5pm deadline and are seeking clarification on a number of issues before deciding on a preferred bidder.

It is still not clear how many bids were lodged, but Sky Sports Newsunderstands a number of late enquiries were made by parties other than the three who had already expressed clear interest in a takeover.

Complete confidentiality now surrounds the process, as the administrators study the financial details of each bid and discuss the finer details of the terms presented by the would-be buyers.

It may be Friday - or later - before any announcement is made about which buyer has been selected to move to the next stage and try to complete a takeover.

Whilst there has been no comment from any of the interested parties or the administrators themselves, Sky Sports News believes former Newcastle owner Mike Ashley did make a formal bid to buy Derby shortly before Thursday's deadline.

Former Newcastle managing director Lee Charnley was seen in the directors' box at Pride Park during Wednesday night's defeat to Millwall.

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4 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

 

This is all I can find, nothing much yet.

Derby County's administrators are reviewing the offers to buy the club that were made before Wednesday's 5pm deadline and are seeking clarification on a number of issues before deciding on a preferred bidder.

It is still not clear how many bids were lodged, but Sky Sports Newsunderstands a number of late enquiries were made by parties other than the three who had already expressed clear interest in a takeover.

Complete confidentiality now surrounds the process, as the administrators study the financial details of each bid and discuss the finer details of the terms presented by the would-be buyers.

It may be Friday - or later - before any announcement is made about which buyer has been selected to move to the next stage and try to complete a takeover.

Whilst there has been no comment from any of the interested parties or the administrators themselves, Sky Sports News believes former Newcastle owner Mike Ashley did make a formal bid to buy Derby shortly before Thursday's deadline.

Former Newcastle managing director Lee Charnley was seen in the directors' box at Pride Park during Wednesday night's defeat to Millwall.

Q.  When is a deadline NOT a deadline?

A.  When it's anything to do with WRDC !

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2 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

Q.  When is a deadline NOT a deadline?

A.  When it's anything to do with WRDC !

I guess it's a deadline for offers, then the Admin look through the crooks, I mean offers.

It does seem like that though. They've taken the piss from the start, their fans thought it was funny until the shit hit the fan and the EFL put their foot down. 

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Bear in mind that yesterday's deadline was set by Quantuma, who also will be dictating what any 'formal bid' needs to look like, and the criteria it needs to fulfil. Now obviously some of those requirements ultimately derive from the requirements of the EFL and of insolvency law, but basically Q can extend or relax this process as much as they like.

Now, they are supposed to prove funds for the remainder of the season to the EFL next week, hence the deadline this week, but again, that is flexible to an extent. Work over the weekend, work al night, get the bids in and check them, and get your stuff to the EFL.

So when is a deadline not a deadline? When it's set by you and entirely within your control.

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The proof of funds deadline to the EFL is looming next week (Monday / Tuesday). Already been given a months extension. I can't see that being repeated. Seems like they have one working day left to prove they have sufficient funds or the EFL will surely pull the plug on them, preferred bidders or not.

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2 minutes ago, Midred said:

Luckily clubs don't get into this position very often but have any other club (recently) been given this much leeway given the rule breaking over ffp and account submittion that Derby have? (If that makes sense?)

I think they all get the same slack to be fair, the difference is the size of the club, because its Derby its more prominent then Oldham for example

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1 minute ago, Monkeh said:

I think they all get the same slack to be fair, the difference is the size of the club, because its Derby its more prominent then Oldham for example

Just waiting for the east midland news, they're bound to know what's going on after all they've been promising big news all week! ?

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1 hour ago, Midred said:

Luckily clubs don't get into this position very often but have any other club (recently) been given this much leeway given the rule breaking over ffp and account submittion that Derby have? (If that makes sense?)

Just wait until next year if/when we breach.

Not having tried underhand or devious tactics, not "sold" our ground to circumvent ffp, never failed to pay players wages, not delayed submission of accounts or threatened legal action for the EFL maliciously persuing  BCFC watch us get the book thrown at us with a massive points detection and no right of appeal!

 

 

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2 minutes ago, downendcity said:

Just wait until next year if/when we breach.

Not having tried underhand or devious tactics, not "sold" our ground to circumvent ffp, never failed to pay players wages, not delayed submission of accounts or threatened legal action for the EFL maliciously persuing  BCFC watch us get the book thrown at us with a massive points detection and no right of appeal!

 

 

You haven't included the discretionary submission from the ref's union of 20 red cards, 65 yellow cards and a 5 year ban on penalty awards!

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2 hours ago, downendcity said:

Just wait until next year if/when we breach.

Not having tried underhand or devious tactics, not "sold" our ground to circumvent ffp, never failed to pay players wages, not delayed submission of accounts or threatened legal action for the EFL maliciously persuing  BCFC watch us get the book thrown at us with a massive points detection and no right of appeal!

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Midred said:

You haven't included the discretionary submission from the ref's union of 20 red cards, 65 yellow cards and a 5 year ban on penalty awards!

Let’s not get as paranoid as the natives of Derbyshire. I think there is a long way to go before the EFL starts handing out sanctions and if they do most/a lot of other clubs have the same issues.

 

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11 hours ago, downendcity said:

Just wait until next year if/when we breach.

Not having tried underhand or devious tactics, not "sold" our ground to circumvent ffp, never failed to pay players wages, not delayed submission of accounts or threatened legal action for the EFL maliciously persuing  BCFC watch us get the book thrown at us with a massive points detection and no right of appeal!

 

 

We won't breech, sell Scott  fir the rumoured 25 mil and we are fine

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After a couple of recent wins a second consecutive loss for Derby - they are running out of games.

An easy way to look at it is that Derby started the season 15 points behind Reading,  to catch up it was an extra 1/3 points per game over Reading's result.

Now they are only 8 points behind, but have only 12 games left so that has moved out an extra 2/3 points per game, the rate has doubled.

Another issue is that Barnsley have won 3 in 5 and are now back ahead of Derby, so even if Reading go into meltdown, Derby still need to better Barnsley's results.

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Mr Popodopolous

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Had a quick skimread of this again and a bit that I missed...

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* This figure would not cover the outstanding debt to MSD & HMRC, never mind Football Debts, unsecured creditors and potential stadium costs (including unpaid rent to the stadium company).

Regardless of what arrangement Mel Morris and the new owner might come to regarding the ground, I do hope for the integrity of the game that this unpaid rent is counted in the FFP costs now and moving forward- probably won't make a difference to the figures to 2021 but 2021/22 onwards...the integrity of the game is quite important- even if it's only a paper cost.

https://ramstrust.org.uk/wp/dcfc-supporters-groups-meet-efl/

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