Bristol Clean Air Zone

[Bristol Rob]

As if parking on a match day wasn't already a challenge, for those travelling by car next season Marvin and his clean air zone might present a further challenge.

The busses to Ashton Gate are pretty much non existent as things stand, so for a lot of people in areas further afield public transport isn't a realistic option.

Just wonder if SCAT have started dialogue with the Club on this already (I would assume they have), and what the feedback has been.

A map for those who don't know where it impacts.

https://www.bristol.gov.uk/streets-travel/bristol-caz/view-map

 

[Ska Junkie]

The vast majority of us will be unaffected. Even my diesel Hilux passes so I would doubt many would need to pay it.

[Clevedon Red]

Think i heard it impacts diesel cars over 6 years old and petrol pre 2006.

[1960maaan]

2 minutes ago, Clevedon Red said:

Think i heard it impacts diesel cars over 6 years old and petrol pre 2006.

I wouldn't trust the Council to get it right. Didn't they order new Diesel Buses just before the original plan of banning all diesel vehicles ?

[Red Cloud]

35 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

I wouldn't trust the Council to get it right. Didn't they order new Diesel Buses just before the original plan of banning all diesel vehicles ?

Not forgetting the £35+ Million squandered on Bristol Energy who've never made a profit and probably never will - well done Marv!

[Maesknoll Red]

I’ve just put the reg of my main vehicle into the gov checker, I’d have to pay in Birmingham and Bath, but not Portsmouth- how can there be such be variables, it’s nuts.  It’s a small van, if I put a car with the same engine in, it would be free.  I hate inconsistency and nonsense rules, of which a lot of these clean air zones are.

[CyderInACan]

48 minutes ago, Red Cloud said:

Not forgetting the £35+ Million squandered on Bristol Energy who've never made a profit and probably never will - well done Marv!

Make that closer to (a staggering) fifty million 

[Sweeneys Penalties]

1 hour ago, Clevedon Red said:

Think i heard it impacts diesel cars over 6 years old and petrol pre 2006.

thats me buggered then. 

[Rocking Red Cyril]

Why are we not supporting clean air agenda. And it's simple if you wanna drive drive electric

I trust you all be on the climate demo tommorrow. College green 12.00 pm

[tts_city]

3 hours ago, Clevedon Red said:

Think i heard it impacts diesel cars over 6 years old and petrol pre 2006.

Great isnt it, poorer people with older cars get taxed and its a Labour council.

[1960maaan]

7 hours ago, Red Cloud said:

Not forgetting the £35+ Million squandered on Bristol Energy who've never made a profit and probably never will - well done Marv!

Can't blame him, he was preoccupied on 5 star hotels and first class flights , to inspect something. That, it was all paid for by the company that got the Arena bid apparently. Who then moved the site from near the centre of all transport routes , to one at Filton , that the company preferred , obviously coincidence. 
Wasted millions in feasibility studies, sites and preparation. Mind you, that site near Temple Meades did only allow for 25 parking space for a 10,000 all seater arena. These people get paid to do this !!

[Never to the dark side]

Is he not due for re-election within the year?

If so why not vote for who ever says,they will not implement the clean air zone in certain(non central) areas of the City

[TV Tom]

26 minutes ago, Never to the dark side said:

Is he not due for re-election within the year?

If so why not vote for who ever says,they will not implement the clean air zone in certain(non central) areas of the City

He’s in till 2024, hopefully by then the people of Bristol will have voted to abolish the need for a mayor after the two egotists we’ve had to endure, moving the arena from the middle of town to the north of Bristol on one mans says so was a disgrace, it was great news for the people of South Glos’ & South Wales but does nothing for the people of South Bristol.

[Sir Geoff]

7 hours ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

Why are we not supporting clean air agenda. And it's simple if you wanna drive drive electric

I trust you all be on the climate demo tommorrow. College green 12.00 pm

Have you seen the price of Electric cars!! 

[CyderInACan]

Just now, Sir Geoff said:

Have you seen the price of Electric cars!! 

Crazy prices. 

[weepywall]

6 hours ago, tts_city said:

Great isnt it, poorer people with older cars get taxed and its a Labour council.

To be fair, I think the guidelines come from Central Government and the local councils have to implement them the best they can and i speak as someone that has to pay £9 to go to work in Bath so I'm no fan of CAZ.

[Maesknoll Red]

8 hours ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

Why are we not supporting clean air agenda. And it's simple if you wanna drive drive electric

I trust you all be on the climate demo tommorrow. College green 12.00 pm

Not affordable or practical for the majority.  I did look at getting a bus to work (it’s a 30-60 minute drive depending on the time I travel) to do it on the bus I’m looking at 3.5 hours each way, who is going to do that!

[Slippin cider]

36 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

Crazy prices. 

Crazy indeed, if they want people to buy electric cars they’re going to have to build one for the masses like the Mini/Beatle etc with sensible, affordable prices and have the infrastructure in place to support them . I’m all for doing my bit for climate change but you have to be realistic and £30/40k for an electric car is not realistic….

[The Bard]

Local Councils in cities have to implement a clean air zone. It's not a choice it's compulsory. So, how it is done in different cities is a reflection of that Authority's competence.

Birmingham has it up and running in the very centre. I was able to drive my diesel car to and from Tuesday's game without going in it. I imagine that as the squeeze on diesel cars grows, the area will be expanded from a smaller base.

Bristol's plan includes a far bigger area and hasn't started. Yet again they've massively ****** up. Would've been better to start it just in the centre to get it actually working before including a bigger area.

Also, don't be fooled into thinking this is under the control of Marvin Rees. He doesn't have a clue

[Bristol Rob]

I can just see the dirty air being moved elsewhere as people make longer journeys (creating more air pollution) to avoid driving in to the clear air zone.

[Simon79]

1 hour ago, Sir Geoff said:

Have you seen the price of Electric cars!! 

Absolutely this. Needs to be something that is looked at. I’m sure there is/will be some sort of initiative to encourage people to buy electric cars, but it has to be realistic & not some sort of token gesture. What is the point in profit if there isn’t a planet to enjoy it on! COYR 

[redsince1994]

1 hour ago, Maesknoll Red said:

Not affordable or practical for the majority.  I did look at getting a bus to work (it’s a 30-60 minute drive depending on the time I travel) to do it on the bus I’m looking at 3.5 hours each way, who is going to do that!

Yep I'm the same. With fuel prices going up I would love to take public transport but my 45 minute drive turns into 2hrs+ and thats when everything is on time!

Need some serious investment in public transport and incentives for electric vehicles (not that i could use one not having a driveway, **** poor people right?)

[Bedred31]

Same as the scheme that has existed in London for years. You have to be driving a bit of a banger to fail. My gas guzzling diesel passes with flying colours.

[Barry Sheene]

9 hours ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

Why are we not supporting clean air agenda. And it's simple if you wanna drive drive electric

I trust you all be on the climate demo tommorrow. College green 12.00 pm

Never easier. Just go into the dealer hand over 5k deposit sign up to four years of £400 a month payments or give them 30k to buy it outright. Couldn't be easier. 

[Maesknoll Red]

2 hours ago, Bedred31 said:

Same as the scheme that has existed in London for years. You have to be driving a bit of a banger to fail. My gas guzzling diesel passes with flying colours.

Not true, both my Euro 5 vans will be charged.  With one of them, the same engine is in some cars and they’d not have to pay, where is the fairness in that?

[redsquirrel]

money spinning load of poppycock, they didnt need to drag it out as far as the cumberland basin,start of anchor rd would have been better. nobody not wanting to pay the charge would bother going down hotwells rd or coronation rd etc as there is nothing there to go for. its a con to catch people dropping into the outskirts

[Kingswood Robin]

2 hours ago, Barry Sheene said:

Never easier. Just go into the dealer hand over 5k deposit sign up to four years of £400 a month payments or give them 30k to buy it outright. Couldn't be easier. 

Good plan. I was thinking about becoming an MP and doing a bit of lobbying on the side.

[Peter1450]

26 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

Not true, both my Euro 5 vans will be charged.  With one of them, the same engine is in some cars and they’d not have to pay, where is the fairness in that?

Same as, my euro 5 emissions are probably cleaner than the air it’s sucking in around the city centre yet  I’m going to be expected to pay to work in the city every day,meanwhile my wife can take her petrol BMW into town to shop for a new outfit completely unaffected…..madness,but when have BCC EVER got a major decision correct.

[22A]

On Points West last night did they say busses will be charged £100 / day?

If true, the bus company will pass that on to the passengers which fill force many more people off public transport.

[Bristol Rob]

27 minutes ago, 22A said:

On Points West last night did they say busses will be charged £100 / day?

If true, the bus company will pass that on to the passengers which fill force many more people off public transport.

It's all part of Marvin's grand plan so we can get electric scooters to the sky-train before hot footing to an underground station that will take us straight to the arena!

[Red DNA]

12 hours ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

Why are we not supporting clean air agenda. And it's simple if you wanna drive drive electric

I trust you all be on the climate demo tommorrow. College green 12.00 pm

Think I’ll wait a while until the cars that run on ‘green’ hydrogen are available - that’s the one where all the real big smart money is going on. 

in the meantime I’ll keep playing the lottery to get a chance to buy something newer

[Roger Red Hat]

6 hours ago, Never to the dark side said:

Is he not due for re-election within the year?

If so why not vote for who ever says,they will not implement the clean air zone in certain(non central) areas of the City

If you're referring to Marvin, he's not running for a third term.

[redsquirrel]

wouldnt surprise  me if the bright sparks were planning a solar power train for a new underground system

[The Fat Controller]

14 hours ago, Sweeneys Penalties said:

thats me buggered then. 

No, it's not that draconian, you just have to pay a charge. 

[Red-Robbo]

As has been pointed out, bringing these in to large cities is compulsory and has been ordered by central government.

London has had a low emission zone through most of the inner M25 area for more than a decade.  Charging depends on the emissions made by your vehicle.  It simply isn't true to say it is a tax on old cars. Nor does it only apply to diesel vehicles. 

[Ska Junkie]

6 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

As has been pointed out, bringing these in to large cities is compulsory and has been ordered by central government.

London has had a low emission zone through most of the inner M25 area for more than a decade.  Charging depends on the emissions made by your vehicle.  It simply isn't true to say it is a tax on old cars. Nor does it only apply to diesel vehicles. 

London, Brum, Sheffield, Leeds and Manchester have decent options that we don't have. The tram system in Manchester is superb and cheap. Why can't we utilise the unused railway lines all over the city and put trams on them? Damn cheaper than the pie in the sky underground.

At the mo, park and ride is the only alternative to paying as I see it.

[weepywall]

5 hours ago, Bristol Rob said:

I can just see the dirty air being moved elsewhere as people make longer journeys (creating more air pollution) to avoid driving in to the clear air zone.

Exactly what has happened in Bath.

[Jan Window]

15 hours ago, Red Cloud said:

Not forgetting the £35+ Million squandered on Bristol Energy who've never made a profit and probably never will - well done Marv!

Bristol Energy was set up in 2015 by Mr Rees' predecessor, Independent George Ferguson.  Bristol Energy's business plan 'overly unrealistic'

[TheReds]

If this scheme is all about clean air, and clean air only, then why are people allowed to pay money to pollute the air? Also is this scheme still exempt for Marvin and his buddies in the Council?

As for public transport being the answer, then we are doomed.

 

[redsquirrel]

what they need to do is change the diesel emissions test,instead of seeing if light passes through the exhaust gas, actually measure the harmful gases they are pumping out.  id be very surprised if they got anywhere near as low as a modern petrol engine

[Red-Robbo]

Just now, Ska Junkie said:

London, Brum, Sheffield, Leeds and Manchester have decent options that we don't have. The tram system in Manchester is superb and cheap. Why can't we utilise the unused railway lines all over the city and put trams on them? Damn cheaper than the pie in the sky underground.

At the mo, park and ride is the only alternative to paying as I see it.

 

I agree, but that's a different topic. Having read some of the comments I clicked on the map expecting to see a vast swathe of Bristol encompassed by this CAZ, but the reality is it's just the comparatively small number of streets in the city centre.  it doesn't extend south of the river, nor east of Temple Meads nor even into Clifton or Kingsdown.

The vast expansion of double-yellow lines and dropped curbs has made it far more difficult for me to come to football than this will.  In fact, because of parking issues, I choose to take the bus up more often than not these days. Get more of a drink in that way.  

If you drive through the city centre you'll be charged - from next season - if your petrol car doesn't meet Euro standard 4 (which TBH the vast majority will) or your diesel doesn't meet Euro standard 6 (which is a bit more stringent, some older diesels may not).  If you have your last MOT emissions test document, you can check if your vehicle meets these levels here:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_emission_standards

[Roger Red Hat]

5 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

Having read some of the comments I clicked on the map expecting to see a vast swathe of Bristol encompassed by this CAZ, but the reality is it's just the comparatively small number of streets in the city centre. 

Indeed. It's like a written version of a John Turner phone in.

[semblar]

I'm lucky in that my work offers a salary sacrifice scheme which with the government rules on the benefit in kind tax effectively means I can lease it for half the headline price. many people are not so lucky or couldn't afford it even if their employer ran the scheme. We need two things to really get people to move over in large numbers:

1. a functional second hand electric car market. That will probably be a few years away, as it will need some of the current new models with better ranges (mine does over 300 miles on a full charge) to come onto that market

2. sufficient on-street infrastructure to allow people with no driveway to charge their car. There is a Post article that converting lamposts to work as charging points was "coming soon"...in November 2017! The chargers in many local park carparks now charge £1 plus 30p per Kwh, a lot more than your household electric but apparently if they used the right scheme it would be possible to get this electricity directly billed to your household account as if you were plugged in on a driveway. An alternative would be to allow culverts to be installed into a pavement (at a sensible cost) so that a charge cable can be run to the car without causing a trip hazard

[Ciderhead433]

7 hours ago, Never to the dark side said:

Is he not due for re-election within the year?

If so why not vote for who ever says,they will not implement the clean air zone in certain(non central) areas of the City

Only people affected are the poorer.

People with older cars living in South Bristol will have to try and find a new way to Avonmouth.

 

Edited November 6, 2021 by Ciderhead433

[Roger Red Hat]

Basically, in the long term, there is going to have to be less cars, whether they be petrol, diesel OR electric. The process of manufacturing them is polluting, along with components like the tyres, and the building of more roads.  

[Red-Robbo]

16 minutes ago, Ciderhead433 said:

Only people affected are the poorer.

People with older cars living in South Bristol will have to try and find a new way to Avonmouth.

 

 

The vast majority of cars pass the requirement. I just used the checker on Gov.UK to see if Mrs R's 13-year-old car (1.8l engine) passed and it does.

I think unless you want to drive through the city centre in an old Bedford van you needn't worry.  

Even then, if you have work in the zone (or are earning under £26K a year) you don't pay.

Edited November 6, 2021 by Red-Robbo

[Maesknoll Red]

Just now, Red-Robbo said:

 

The vast majority of cars pass the requirement. I just used the checker on Gov.UK to see if Mrs R's 13-year-old car (1.8l engine) passed and it does.

I think unless you want to drive through the city centre in an old Bedford van you needn't worry.  

Even then, if you have work in the zone (or are earning under £26K a year) you don't pay.

Or relatively new vans…… both mine, as explained earlier, despite being Euro 5 will be charged.  As another poster asked, if it’s about pollution, why is anyone being allowed to pay tax to pollute?

in all seriousness, I might just buy a 40 year old Land Rover with a V8 in to drive to work, I can drive that straight through the zone with no charge, whereas my modern diesel, built to the spec. in place at the time of it’s build would be less polluting, but charged.

[Red-Robbo]

3 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

Or relatively new vans…… both mine, as explained earlier, despite being Euro 5 will be charged.  As another poster asked, if it’s about pollution, why is anyone being allowed to pay tax to pollute?

in all seriousness, I might just buy a 40 year old Land Rover with a V8 in to drive to work, I can drive that straight through the zone with no charge, whereas my modern diesel, built to the spec. in place at the time of it’s build would be less polluting, but charged.

 

There are various reasons why diesels in particular are being encouraged to be phased out, but whether you agree with the emissions guidelines, they are set by the government - not Marvin Rees or BCC.  The zone is forced on the city because the area within it fails European air quality levels. 

They may not help you, but there is £42m worth of loans and grants available to those who say they have to switch vehicles because of this.

[Maesknoll Red]

2 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

There are various reasons why diesels in particular are being encouraged to be phased out, but whether you agree with the emissions guidelines, they are set by the government - not Marvin Rees or BCC.  The zone is forced on the city because the area within it fails European air quality levels. 

They may not help you, but there is £42m worth of loans and grants available to those who say they have to switch vehicles because of this.

It wasn’t long ago there was a definite move to persuade people to move to diesel, no responsibility shouldered for that I see!

 I doubt if the government set the area, including the Portway is a blow to many, it will add miles to my journey as I will have to go out through Abbott’s Leigh and Portbury to get to the motorway and get to work that way, not reducing pollution at all. Either that or a big sweep to the East and back to North Bristol.

I doubt I’ll get a grant, I’ve never qualified for any handout of any kind from the state.

[Red-Robbo]

4 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

It wasn’t long ago there was a definite move to persuade people to move to diesel, no responsibility shouldered for that I see!

 I doubt if the government set the area, including the Portway is a blow to many, it will add miles to my journey as I will have to go out through Abbott’s Leigh and Portbury to get to the motorway and get to work that way, not reducing pollution at all. Either that or a big sweep to the East and back to North Bristol.

I doubt I’ll get a grant, I’ve never qualified for any handout of any kind from the state.

 

The area is the area that fails the air quality standard, there is little choice in the matter. Like you, I've crawled up the Portway in rush hour and it's not difficult to see how its incredible heavy use contributes to this poor air quality.

HOWEVER, I agree with everyone who says charging zones simply push cars onto nearby roads, spreading and sometimes exacerbating problems.  When I needed to drive from work in London, the congestion charge pushed me and countless others onto Euston Road, making it a 1mph endless crawl, spewing out fumes that must've blanketed the entire area.

Only weaning  more of us of the need to drive to work by better public transport provision and (in the long-run) better town planning will solve the serious air issues in cities.

[Roger Red Hat]

1 minute ago, Red-Robbo said:

the congestion charge pushed me and countless others onto Euston Road, making it a 1mph endless crawl, spewing out fumes that must've blanketed the entire area.

I used to work in London a lot, and that route was a crawl long  before the congestion zone was ever thought of!

[Sir Geoff]

1 hour ago, Ska Junkie said:

London, Brum, Sheffield, Leeds and Manchester have decent options that we don't have. The tram system in Manchester is superb and cheap. DWhy can't we utilise the unused railway lines all over the city and put trams on them? amn cheaper than the pie in the sky underground.

At the mo, park and ride is the only alternative to paying as I see it.

Would have been even cheaper when it was first proposed by BCC and reported in the EP back in the late 70's early 80's.

[Red-Robbo]

1 minute ago, Roger Red Hat said:

I used to work in London a lot, and that route was a crawl long  before the congestion zone was ever thought of!

 I know, but making it the one CC exempt route through central London turned it into something else.

Obviously, I usually took the tube in, but Fridays I needed to leave for Somerset after work, so I used to go in early and leave at 3 and crawl all the way to the Westway. 

[Sir Geoff]

22 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

It wasn’t long ago there was a definite move to persuade people to move to diesel, no responsibility shouldered for that I see!

 I doubt if the government set the area, including the Portway is a blow to many, it will add miles to my journey as I will have to go out through Abbott’s Leigh and Portbury to get to the motorway and get to work that way, not reducing pollution at all. Either that or a big sweep to the East and back to North Bristol.

I doubt I’ll get a grant, I’ve never qualified for any handout of any kind from the state.

Just put a bike rack over your number plate.

[Roger Red Hat]

1 minute ago, Red-Robbo said:

crawl all the way to the Westway. 

Done it many times, but then I discovered a parallel route to the south that came out at the foot of the Westway. No good after the zone was introduced tho'.

[Red-Robbo]

4 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

Done it many times, but then I discovered a parallel route to the south that came out at the foot of the Westway. No good after the zone was introduced tho'.

 

I was working in Portland Place, so Euston Rd, as dreadful as it was, was but 2 minutes drive away, past no CC cameras. I was stuck using it. 

[joe jordans teeth]

47 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

There are various reasons why diesels in particular are being encouraged to be phased out, but whether you agree with the emissions guidelines, they are set by the government - not Marvin Rees or BCC.  The zone is forced on the city because the area within it fails European air quality levels. 

They may not help you, but there is £42m worth of loans and grants available to those who say they have to switch vehicles because of this.

£42 million won’t even touch the surface,just recently bought a second hand car 19 plate and to find one that wasn’t diesel was hard work although I did in the end,obviously people are getting rid of diesels at a rate so I imagine that’s a good thing 

[Sir Leigh of Somerset]

1 hour ago, Roger Red Hat said:

Basically, in the long term, there is going to have to be less cars, whether they be petrol, diesel OR electric. The process of manufacturing them is polluting, along with components like the tyres, and the building of more roads.  

Back to the future.....

[weepywall]

3 hours ago, 22A said:

On Points West last night did they say busses will be charged £100 / day?

If true, the bus company will pass that on to the passengers which fill force many more people off public transport.

I think most buses are Euro 6.

[Robin-hugh-blind]

Another working man's tax, I can't afford a new van. Small business should be exempt, Chelsea tractor should pay double. 

[Red-Robbo]

7 minutes ago, Robin-hugh-blind said:

Another working man's tax, I can't afford a new van. Small business should be exempt, Chelsea tractor should pay double. 

 

If working in the zone - or living in it - you are exempt. 

When the details are announced, see if you qualify for a grant towards a new vehicle if the restrictions cause your business difficulty. 

Although, as has been said, £42m in total compo won't stretch to everybody, the terms are tilted towards helping smaller businesses.

[weepywall]

12 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

If working in the zone - or living in it - you are exempt. 

When the details are announced, see if you qualify for a grant towards a new vehicle if the restrictions cause your business difficulty. 

Although, as has been said, £42m in total compo won't stretch to everybody, the terms are tilted towards helping smaller businesses.

In Bath you still have to pay the charge if working in the zone, is Bristol different then ? 

[Red-Robbo]

3 minutes ago, weepywall said:

In Bath you still have to pay the charge if working in the zone, is Bristol different then ? 

 

According to BCC website.

[Bristol Rob]

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/clean-air-zone-map-borders-6188078

 

[BTRFTG]

On 06/11/2021 at 00:04, Rocking Red Cyril said:

Why are we not supporting clean air agenda. And it's simple if you wanna drive drive electric

Is there an electric vehicle made that would allow me to get to AG and back without having to spend further hours searching for a charging point?

It took over 5 hours to get home the other week and with multiple, planned road closures all traffic eastbound had zero alternate routes to take. Assume they were all electric vehicles, they'd all be desperate for the same charging points of which it's already been proven there will never be enough. Of those presently installed on major routes, around 1 in 3 are out of service and half the dual chargers only allow single charge use at present. As for cars charge mapping, forget it. I was in one of the most popular and supposedly efficient models the other day and it handily told me my nearest charging point was 0.6m miles away. Didn't realise the car could float as that was the other side of The Thames. In reality it's nearer a 3 mile drive, through one of the slowest and busiest tunnels in Europe (it'll take upward of 30mins.) Yeah, I won't risk the hefty fine for running out of fuel in the tunnel.

If I needed to charge up in Bristol whilst at the match where would I do that? Bristol HATES visitors as it is - want to go to AG, park up in Brislington, really?

[Roger Red Hat]

35 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

Bristol HATES visitors

I think it's just you BTRFTG............

[Ska Junkie]

On 06/11/2021 at 16:50, Red-Robbo said:

 

According to BCC website.

I could have sworn you have to pay it if you live inside the zone and use your vehicle, if it fails the criteria.

[BTRFTG]

20 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

I think it's just you BTRFTG............

I can assure you from a sample of those who sit around me at AG, none of whom live in or near Bristol, it isn't just me. 

Bristol's transport planning and infrastructure is woeful.

Parking - forget it. Park and rides at Long Ashton, Brislington, Pucklechurch and the far end of The Portway. Right at the heart of the action. (Can folks park at LA on a Saturday for the footy now?) Most close at 10pm so if I wanted to take in a movie, or theatre, or dinner I'd have to leave the city centre by 9pm. Yeah, that works.

Public transport - quicker to walk to either TM or Coach Station than use the bus, assuming you are able so to do, but as ever with Rees it's sod the infirm or oldies.

Visually impaired or restricted mobility visitors - don't bother as you'll be tripping over or having to avoid randomly dumped scooters all over the shop.

Bristol should be welcoming. It isn't.

 

[Maesknoll Red]

1 hour ago, BTRFTG said:

Is there an electric vehicle made that would allow me to get to AG and back without having to spend further hours searching for a charging point?

It took over 5 hours to get home the other week and with multiple, planned road closures all traffic eastbound had zero alternate routes to take. Assume they were all electric vehicles, they'd all be desperate for the same charging points of which it's already been proven there will never be enough. Of those presently installed on major routes, around 1 in 3 are out of service and half the dual chargers only allow single charge use at present. As for cars charge mapping, forget it. I was in one of the most popular and supposedly efficient models the other day and it handily told me my nearest charging point was 0.6m miles away. Didn't realise the car could float as that was the other side of The Thames. In reality it's nearer a 3 mile drive, through one of the slowest and busiest tunnels in Europe (it'll take upward of 30mins.) Yeah, I won't risk the hefty fine for running out of fuel in the tunnel.

If I needed to charge up in Bristol whilst at the match where would I do that? Bristol HATES visitors as it is - want to go to AG, park up in Brislington, really?

The big electric con, hydrogen engines or synthetic fuels are the only realistic way for people who do more than pop round town, to actually carry on a normal life.

 

[Red-Robbo]

4 hours ago, Ska Junkie said:

I could have sworn you have to pay it if you live inside the zone and use your vehicle, if it fails the criteria.

This is the page:

https://www.bristol.gov.uk/streets-travel/bristol-caz/exemptions