Red-Robbo Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 Just now, BTRFTG said: Love to know how they'll police all those exemptions... Gonna be complicated!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted November 16, 2021 Admin Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: Gonna be complicated!!! Yep, my Mrs is a blue badge holder, the badge isn’t registered to a vehicle, not sure how that’s going to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crackers Corner Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Red-Robbo said: You are exempt if you earn £26k pa or less, so it isn't the poorest it will hit but some middle-income motorists who have little choice but to regularly drive through the zone will undoubtedly feel the pinch? Anyone know where the revenue from the charges is going? I expect Serco or whoever is implementing the enforcement will take a huge bite, but is the rest kept by BCC or hoovered up by national government. If the revenue went at improving the Bristol public transport network - more routes, more times etc - it would be something I suppose. I'm still against these sort of schemes though. They just don't seem to work. Reading this it suggests that you need to send proof that you earn less than 26k which seems very intrusive and not really something that should be any of BCCs business? So if you are a couple earning 25k each you are better off than a couple earning 26 k each, I can imagine lots of people changing car ownership titles to get around this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Crackers Corner said: Reading this it suggests that you need to send proof that you earn less than 26k which seems very intrusive and not really something that should be any of BCCs business? So if you are a couple earning 25k each you are better off than a couple earning 26 k each, I can imagine lots of people changing car ownership titles to get around this. I'm not sure how it'll work, but if it got me off a £9 charge then I'd send them the proof if I did earn under that amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red panda Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 6 hours ago, Maesknoll Red said: I’ve just had a look at the Tesla site, £43K for the most basic model, with absolutely no extras, the nicer looking ones ( and with the distances you mention) closer to or over £100K - pie in the sky for ordinary folk like me. Other electric vehicles are available, cost a lot less and are probably more reliable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 6 hours ago, 2015 said: Shocking from the so called 'socialists'. Only those who can afford newer cars or electric cars can basically drive in City centres. Thats fine we will take our business to places that will accept all cars. Since Starmer the labour party is in no way Socialist. Tories with red ties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 How is the national grid going to cope with all this demand? Will they need to build more power stations? I don’t really understand how it will work on a practical level, all these electric cars plugged in to the mains? Queues of cars blocking the roads, waiting to charge or run out… how and when are they going to build the infrastructure needed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 Without reading pages and pages. This is football forum stuff? Someone let me know if the previous pages are appropriate for this section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted November 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 9 hours ago, red panda said: Other electric vehicles are available, cost a lot less and are probably more reliable Hadn't realised the Tesla suffered with reliability problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 5 hours ago, exAtyeoMax said: How is the national grid going to cope with all this demand? Will they need to build more power stations? I don’t really understand how it will work on a practical level, all these electric cars plugged in to the mains? Queues of cars blocking the roads, waiting to charge or run out… how and when are they going to build the infrastructure needed? Its an agenda - and "they" don't in reality have the practical answers..trying to run before mastering the walk IMO... Currently it's a scattergun approach (where have we heard that before) - subsidies,,free market forces - it's a mess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasSavage88 Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 14 hours ago, Crackers Corner said: Reading this it suggests that you need to send proof that you earn less than 26k which seems very intrusive and not really something that should be any of BCCs business? So if you are a couple earning 25k each you are better off than a couple earning 26 k each, I can imagine lots of people changing car ownership titles to get around this. Its also only going to be short term. It wont be an exemption forever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristol red Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 Yes, only exemption until end of 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted October 23, 2022 Report Share Posted October 23, 2022 I do wonder what impact this is going to have on our attendances. I remember seeing a graphic of where our STHs live once and we are pretty spread out. Lots will have to travel through the zone to get to Ashton Gate. The residents exemption ends in March so those who live in the zone would have to pay the charge to visit Ashton Gate I believe? It will be almost impossible for most away fans to avoid the zone. Ashton Gate is an all your round venue these days so it's clearly going to have some impact upon the buisness. Including the Portway in the zone is ridiculous. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gakoe Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 Looks like the CATS will be hit with a 100 quid charge for each coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 7 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said: I do wonder what impact this is going to have on our attendances. I remember seeing aI graphic of where our STHs live once and we are pretty spread out. Lots will have to travel through the zone to get to Ashton Gate. The residents exemption ends in March so those who live in the zone would have to pay the charge to visit Ashton Gate I believe? It will be almost impossible for most away fans to avoid the zone. Ashton Gate is an all your round venue these days so it's clearly going to have some impact upon the buisness. Including the Portway in the zone is ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Literally divides Bristol in 2. It will have the effect of spreading traffic wider. More people using the Suspension Bridge and the Pill route into Bristol rather than Avonmouth. This is a perfect example of terrible decision making and leadership. Other cities have had these zones set up for some time (eg Birmingham). Difference is they made the area a rational, smaller area which made sense and introduced the idea of a zone slowly. The have to expand it in time. Bristol on the other hand has delayed its introduction whilst at the same time having a map that directly affects 1000s of people adversely and will result in displacement of traffic to odd areas. Trouble is Bristol has never been suitable for cars. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 8 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said: I do wonder what impact this is going to have on our attendances. I remember seeing a graphic of where our STHs live once and we are pretty spread out. Lots will have to travel through the zone to get to Ashton Gate. The residents exemption ends in March so those who live in the zone would have to pay the charge to visit Ashton Gate I believe? It will be almost impossible for most away fans to avoid the zone. Ashton Gate is an all your round venue these days so it's clearly going to have some impact upon the buisness. Including the Portway in the zone is ridiculous. Including the Portway/Cumberland Basin is bizzare in the extreme. They aren’t locations impacted by traffic-related poor air quality with nearby schools and dense housing. The roads are situated in a ‘green corridor’ ffs. Haven’t looked at the latest plans but if they are anything like the originals, God help the residents of Long Ashton, Abbots Leigh, Clifton and the like. The congestion around the Suspension Bridge, the Portishead, Clevedon roads in/out of Bristol will be epic. It seems to me they haven’t really thought this through. Isn’t The Mayor a Gashead? That can be the only explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, RedRock said: It seems to me they haven’t really thought this through. Marvin Rees all over! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 This from a Labour Council, who are going to be affected the most? People with the least amount of money who can only afford older cars, absolutely disgraceful decision making 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: Marvin Rees all over! And he's recently moved to S Glos! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted October 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 Probably have it wrong, but I thought the clean air zone only applied to older cars and those without a certain type of modern engine. Does it impact a majority of private vehicles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 Just now, sh1t_ref_again said: This from a Labour Council, who are going to be affected the most? People with the least amount of money who can only afford older cars, absolutely disgraceful decision making Erm….. I think the impact of cars re-routing is likely to be greatest in higher income areas. So, The Mayor will have managed to piss about everyone off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepywall Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 15 minutes ago, RedRock said: Erm….. I think the impact of cars re-routing is likely to be greatest in higher income areas. So, The Mayor will have managed to piss about everyone off. Exactly this, its what has happened in Bath, apparently the air has improved in the zone but got worse outside of zone, you just move the problem to a wider area. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 https://www.bristol.gov.uk/residents/streets-travel/bristols-caz All relevant info here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted October 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: https://www.bristol.gov.uk/residents/streets-travel/bristols-caz All relevant info here Thanks Reg. Well, my car is compliant so no charge, not that I use it very often. I await the inevitable stories in the Bristol Post about the rise in number plates being stolen. Does look like a huge number of cars are likely to fall in to the nothing to worry about area. Until they change it when they realise it isn't making the money they hoped. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 Bristols zone is stricter than most as well. I searched my old car, a 9 year old VW Passat 2.0 diesel and would only be charged in two areas, one being Bristol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 36 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: https://www.bristol.gov.uk/residents/streets-travel/bristols-caz All relevant info here And some background here https://thebristolcable.org/2021/11/bristol-clean-air-zone-illegal-air-pollution-in-2020/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 Put a bag or bike rack over your number plates..problem solved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 1 hour ago, RedRock said: Erm….. I think the impact of cars re-routing is likely to be greatest in higher income areas. So, The Mayor will have managed to piss about everyone off. People in higher income areas will more likely have newer cars that comply and therefore not charged, older cars will be charged or face a longer journey to avoid the charge, unless they live within the catchment then after 2022 will be charged anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said: People in higher income areas will more likely have newer cars that comply and therefore not charged, older cars will be charged or face a longer journey to avoid the charge, unless they live within the catchment then after 2022 will be charged anyway. They will but the posher areas will now see a hell of a lot more traffic because of the restrictions is the point that I think is being made. So the residents in those areas won’t be happy. It’s a complete and utter shit show every way around. Edited October 24, 2022 by lenred 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 56 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Bristols zone is stricter than most as well. I searched my old car, a 9 year old VW Passat 2.0 diesel and would only be charged in two areas, one being Bristol Exactly the same for me. Yet again different rules for different people in different cities. ‘Ing ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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