Vaccine Passport - Plan B

[big p]

1 hour ago, Steve Watts said:

There has been an Epsilon variant.  And an Eta, Iota, Kappa, Lambda, Mu and Zeta. The reason they're not well known is because they are all classed as VBM's (Variants being monitored), save Lambda and Mu, which are or have been VOI's (Variants of interest) or VUI's (Varients under investigation).  Delta and Omicron are VOC's (variants of concern), hence the increase in measures to combat them.  It's really not bizarre and is very easy to find out the answers,

These people are batshit crazy, aren't they?  Them and their great reset!  *shudder*

Whilst the number is growing, it is thankfully still a tiny minority overall.  Thankfully the gross majority are doing the right and sensible thing.

No we don't.  The report is somewhere between 250,000 and 740,000 since March 2020.  Yes, the number is still staggering even at the lower end of the scale, but still important to note that these are not 250,000 actual cancer cases, but 250,000 plus cases where people didn't or weren't able to see a doctor for consultation. Again, it is very high, but it should be seen as a lesson to be learned moving forward.  The tragedy would be in those sorts of figures being repeated over the next 18 months because it would show that we've not done enough to address the problem after acknowledging that there is one.

Advice, stay in and hide behind the sofa whilst listening to the news. That will work

.. let the grown ups go out and enjoy life... Strange man...,

[Eddie Hitler]

1 minute ago, big p said:

Advice, stay in and hide behind the sofa whilst listening to the news. That will work

.. let the grown ups go out and enjoy life... Strange man...,

No, that was a balanced post.

And I speak as someone who didn't clap for the NHS and refuses to form part of a huge experimental vaccine trial.

The media, encouraged by the government, is very keen to make this a binary "us and them" issue so that you either believe everything they say or nothing they say and, having done this, seek to marginalise the latter group.

The truth is somewhere in between; it is like a bad flu and it probably would have been a good idea to take similar sensible precautions in bad 'flu years.

[big p]

3 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

No, that was a balanced post.

And I speak as someone who didn't clap for the NHS and refuses to form part of a huge experimental vaccine trial.

The media, encouraged by the government, is very keen to make this a binary "us and them" issue so that you either believe everything they say or nothing they say and, having done this, seek to marginalise the latter group.

The truth is somewhere in between; it is like a bad flu and it probably would have been a good idea to take similar sensible precautions in bad 'flu years.

Ballanced approach, He said people with differing views are batshit crazy.. Course it is

[big p]

All the people who are happy to go with the restrictions please answer this question honestly.

 

How long are you prepared to go with the Government restrictions?

Edited December 9, 2021 by big p

[phantom]

12 minutes ago, big p said:

All the people who are happy to go with the restrictions please answer this question honestly.

 

How long are you prepared to go with the Government restrictions?

Personally don't see it as restricting me from doing anything, if I have to show a screen on my app to gain access somewhere that is no issue

[big p]

2 minutes ago, phantom said:

Personally don't see it as restricting me from doing anything, if I have to show a screen on my app to gain access somewhere that is no issue

That's a forever for you then.

[Harry]

2 hours ago, Steve Watts said:

 

These people are batshit crazy, aren't they?  Them and their great reset!  *shudder*

Funny how no one has mentioned New World Order or Great Reset except for you and Robbo. 
 

[Selred]

33 minutes ago, LoyalRed said:

Well I can't find the same chart for England but this is Scotland,

 

New figures show that more than 90 per cent of Covid sufferers requiring the most specialist care are unvaccinated.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/doctors-and-nurses-vent-anger-as-unvaccinated-covid-cases-delay-vital-operations-z3zchvv9l

[TonyTonyTony]

17 minutes ago, big p said:

All the people who are happy to go with the restrictions please answer this question honestly.

 

How long are you prepared to go with the Government restrictions?

When did anyone say they were happy with the restrictions? Being compliant is a long way from being happy.

As for the question - it is unanswerable because we still don't really know what the future looks like for Covid. What we are seeing though is an improvement in 12 months. 12 months ago you couldnt go to the game. 12 months ago we were locked down. Now we are relatively free - just gotta wear a mask and flash your app. 

[big p]

4 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

When did anyone say they were happy with the restrictions? Being compliant is a long way from being happy.

As for the question - it is unanswerable because we still don't really know what the future looks like for Covid. What we are seeing though is an improvement in 12 months. 12 months ago you couldnt go to the game. 12 months ago we were locked down. Now we are relatively free - just gotta wear a mask and flash your app. 

You speak as if you're grateful that we are "Allowed" to leave the house and not be  in lockdown. Sorry but that's funking rubbish... We should never accept it. No corrupt government should be allowed to take our freedoms away, ever!

If all those lockdowns worked, why is there still restrictions placed on us.

That's why I asked how long will people tolerate it. 

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

Getting booster right now! 

[CiderCraig]

36 minutes ago, big p said:

All the people who are happy to go with the restrictions please answer this question honestly.

 

How long are you prepared to go with the Government restrictions?

For a longer period of time than I'd be prepared to read the spurious diarrhea from yourself.

You also realise that those who annoy you by not questioning things, are equally as annoyed at self-righteous ***** like yourself. 

[Red-Robbo]

12 minutes ago, Harry said:

Funny how no one has mentioned New World Order or Great Reset except for you and Robbo. 
 

 

I asked you why you thought these regulations were being brought in?  Not for a laugh, surely? And not to distract from the No.10 Party scandal either - as doing something he said he wouldn't do hardly enhances Bozo's credibility.

You haven't answered and I'd be interested what you thought.

To be fair, it's not you but someone else wibbling on about the "government controlling every aspect of your life", as if downloading an app and potentially showing it at football is some major imposition.  Somerset County Council telling me which days to put my bins out has a bigger impact!  

I don't love the idea of vaccine passes or compulsory testing (remember, you can still go to football unvaccinated, you just need to take a PCR) however I'm guessing the reason the move was brought in is they think it's a fairly painless way of slowing rising infections just by a smidgeon. They've done the sums, not on the back of a fag packet, and shown that even a small individual decrease in risk, magnified by every large event in the UK, makes it worth doing. 

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

5 minutes ago, big p said:

You speak as if you're grateful that we are "Allowed" to leave the house and not be  in lockdown. Sorry but that's funking rubbish... We should never accept it. No corrupt government should be allowed to take our freedoms away, ever!

If all those lockdowns worked, why is there still restrictions placed on us.

That's why I asked how long will people tolerate it. 

The level of curruptness or not of a government does not detract from the fact Chris Whittey is not a dipshit like Borris, Borris don't make the calls SAGE does, Borris delays as much as he can on lockdowns.

[pillred]

8 hours ago, LoyalRed said:

I’ve had both vaccinations as at the time I was told that by doing so I would be protecting the vulnerable and we would be able to get back to normal.  That hasn’t happened so I will not be proceeding with the booster and I will not be abiding by vaccine passports.  Not sure why you are claiming I have not had vaccinations but I guess if I don’t have the booster then I’m pushed into the unvaccinated shame bucket with everyone else.  

I said IF you had had no vaccinations. you didn't read what I said properly.

[big p]

2 minutes ago, CiderCraig said:

For a longer period of time than I'd be prepared to read the spurious diarrhea from yourself.

You also realise that those who annoy you by not questioning things, are equally as annoyed at self-righteous ***** like yourself. 

Ha ha , if having a differing view is really upsetting you, then I'm over the moon. Keep reading the news, im sure the next variant is just around the corner..

 

[Harry]

18 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Now we are relatively free - just gotta wear a mask and flash your app. 

Ha ha. 
So, you can flash your app. You are free. 
But what did you have to do to get your app. Yes, you had to take an injection that you probably didn’t really want. And then another one. And now another one. And you probably only got it so you could go on holiday. Don’t pretend you did it “to protect others”.  Pretty much everyone under the age of 70 I know did it so they could fly to Spain, Portugal or wherever. Or because they HAD to for work! Pretty much everyone I know. And that’s from their own mouths. They just wanted to be able to go abroad or not lose their job. None of them were scared of the virus and didn’t mention anything about ‘the greater good’, it was just to be able to have their holiday this year. 
Freedom. Ha ha. Yeah, ok. 

[pillred]

7 hours ago, Harry said:

There’s not really much ‘packing in’ going on at AG nowadays. Loads of space if you wanna sit away from people. And besides, you’ll spend the majority of your time ‘outside’.  You are more likely to be breathed on by a dirty carrier when you are squashed up in the pub together, or standing for 20 minutes in a disorganised throng of people waiting to be searched, like the recent games, or indeed standing in a queue for 10 minutes in the concourse waiting for your latest round of high-fat content food or alcohol, both of which are more likely to make you unfit and unhealthy and more susceptible to a bad case of Covid. 
Vaccine passports have been in place in many countries for many months, and they haven’t made a blind bit of difference. So the real world data says that they simply do not make a jot of difference. 
The funniest news I saw this week : France made vaccine passports mandatory in nightclubs in July. Earlier this week they closed nightclubs again. So, who was spreading this virus in nightclubs?? 
 

Ultimately, vax passes don’t work. There is no evidence in any of the places that have implemented them that they stop spread. Having 1, 2 or 3 vaccines does not stop you catching covid and does not stop you passing it on. The only benefit which is clear is that it may prevent someone who previously would have had a high risk of death that they may now get through it. So yes, vaccines are good for anyone who is vulnerable to this virus. But they are pretty much negligible for everyone else. 
 

It seems to be forgotten that millions and millions of people caught covid before vaccinations and survived. In fact, most of them didn’t even know they had it. There has recently been a narrative that says the opposite to that known fact - now it’s said that if you haven’t had a vaccine you are probably going to be hospitalised. Which of course, is absolute nonsense. 
 

It really amazes me that most people are absolutely apoplectic at this governments actions in pretty much everything they do, that everyone knows that governments and media tell lies on a regular basis, and yet people simply fall in line with anything they say in regard to covid. One minute it’s “I hate this government, they don’t represent me”, the next it’s “must show my pass to go to football, because the government said so”. It’s laughable. Actually, it’s not laughable. It’s actually very very sad. 
I’m not willing to play this nonsense game that the government are playing. I’m not anti vax or a sceptic or anything.
Covid exists.  Yes.  
Covid can be dangerous for a very very small number of people. Yes.  
Covid is not any danger for the vast vast vast majority of people. Yes. 
Vaccines can help the most vulnerable to fight it off. Yes. 
Vaccines are necessary for everyone else who are not vulnerable to death from the virus. No! 
Coercion has been used to get vaccines into healthy children. Yes. 
Is that ******* disgusting and forever unforgivable. Yes. 
Do vaccine passports stop spread. No. 
Can a vaxxed person catch it. Yes. 
Can a vaxxed person pass it on. Yes. 
What will vaccine passports do? Nothing. 

You are 63% less likely to pass on covid if you are fully vaccinated (New scientist)) that's something from your comprehensive list you seem to have left out, nobody has said the vaccines stop you passing it on but surely that is a good reason in itself. 

[TonyTonyTony]

25 minutes ago, big p said:

You speak as if you're grateful that we are "Allowed" to leave the house and not be  in lockdown. Sorry but that's funking rubbish... We should never accept it. No corrupt government should be allowed to take our freedoms away, ever!

If all those lockdowns worked, why is there still restrictions placed on us.

That's why I asked how long will people tolerate it. 

The pandemic totally ******* sucks yes but stop having tantrums. Very OTT

[TonyTonyTony]

11 minutes ago, Harry said:

Ha ha. 
So, you can flash your app. You are free. 
But what did you have to do to get your app. Yes, you had to take an injection that you probably didn’t really want. And then another one. And now another one. And you probably only got it so you could go on holiday. Don’t pretend you did it “to protect others”.  Pretty much everyone under the age of 70 I know did it so they could fly to Spain, Portugal or wherever. Or because they HAD to for work! Pretty much everyone I know. And that’s from their own mouths. They just wanted to be able to go abroad or not lose their job. None of them were scared of the virus and didn’t mention anything about ‘the greater good’, it was just to be able to have their holiday this year. 
Freedom. Ha ha. Yeah, ok. 

You are totally lost. As your current avatar suggests

[TonyTonyTony]

22 minutes ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said:

The level of curruptness or not of a government does not detract from the fact Chris Whittey is not a dipshit like Borris, Borris don't make the calls SAGE does, Borris delays as much as he can on lockdowns.

Sorry don’t want to be a pedant but its

BORIS 

……or if you prefer cuntbubble

[Harry]

28 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

I asked you why you thought these regulations were being brought in?  Not for a laugh, surely? And not to distract from the No.10 Party scandal either - as doing something he said he wouldn't do hardly enhances Bozo's credibility.

You haven't answered and I'd be interested what you thought.

Sorry, I missed this question earlier. 
Of course it’s not to do with Bozo’s credibility- does he even have any? 
Of course it’s not to distract from the party scandal. The reason that’s come up is simply to get rid of him. Note that the Stratton video has been widely reported as having occurred days after the alleged party in Dec 20, yet the briefing room it was in wasn’t refurbed until March 21.

Its because they are shit-scared of the thing. They are shit-scared to admit that people will die and there’s not a lot they can really do about it. They know that this was a man-made virus and are shit-scared to admit it. It’s because they know that they ****** up and have done absolutely nothing to improve the health services since this began. It’s because they don’t give a **** about your health and haven’t given vulnerable people any support whatsoever in 20 months to help them improve their chances of survival. It’s because they know that this crisis has managed to line their pockets and the pockets of their friends and they are more than happy for that to continue so that they get richer whilst everyone else suffers. It’s nothing to do with a global conspiracy. It started with incompetence and has ended up a breeding ground for greed. They’re shit-scared to admit it. And they don’t want it to end because they are getting rich off the back of it. You would be deluding yourself if you thought that anyone in power and anyone who is involved in any decision making on any of this actually gives a single flying **** about you or your health. 
Why do wars occur? Resources, greed, money. No global conspiracy. Just to line the pockets of the rich and powerful. 
This is no different. Who is benefitting from the pandemic? The rich. Why would they want it to end? Why would they want to put in proper health measures and services which would actually help, when they can just do **** all and impose new regulations every now and again and keep raking the money in. Covid, like war, is a huge juicy big-balled cash cow. And they’ll milk that sweet little hairy ****** for as long as they can get away with it. 

Edited December 9, 2021 by Harry

[big p]

Just now, TonyTonyTony said:

The pandemic totally ******* sucks yes but stop having tantrums. Very OTT

No tantrums here, just shocked you so easily accept restrictions. And to a state where you are grateful to not being locked up .. I guess some people are so easily manipulated in believing anything. Good luck but please don't belittle people who have differing views. It show your weakness.

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

1 minute ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Sorry don’t want to be a pedant but its

BORIS 

……or if you prefer cuntbubble

I'm easy he's a ******** not an excuse.

[pillred]

36 minutes ago, CiderCraig said:

For a longer period of time than I'd be prepared to read the spurious diarrhea from yourself.

You also realise that those who annoy you by not questioning things, are equally as annoyed at self-righteous ***** like yourself. 

There are none so blind as those that will not see, we are wasting our time I'm afraid.

Edited December 9, 2021 by pillred
punctuation

[TonyTonyTony]

2 minutes ago, big p said:

No tantrums here, just shocked you so easily accept restrictions. And to a state where you are grateful to not being locked up .. I guess some people are so easily manipulated in believing anything. Good luck but please don't belittle people who have differing views. It show your weakness.

Where have I said I’m grateful not being locked up? You are making shit up now.

Nobody likes restrictions. I had a holiday cancelled because of Covid. It’s shit. But if I can get some / most of my life back by following new rules then I’ll do it. Your carefree, stamp your feet tantrums don’t achieve anything.

[Harry]

8 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

You are totally lost. As your current avatar suggests

Lost huh? 
So, did you get your jabs because you wanted to go on holiday. You work overseas occasionally as well i understand. Did you get your jabs so you could fly off to your work meetings?  
Did you get your jabs because you were actually afraid of covid? 
Or did you get it to “protect others”. 
Be honest. Because everyone I know under 70, 100% did not do it for the last reason, so I’m sure you are no different. 

[big p]

Just now, pillred said:

There are non so blind as those that will not see, we are wasting our time I'm afraid.

Exactly 

Last Christmas we were under restrictions, this is really really dangerous...

Government holds a party for 50 people because they are so really really scared. Health secretary is having an affair. Cop26 have a party whilst social distancing and wearing mask for photo shoots.

 

What do these people have to do for you to realise?

[TonyTonyTony]

7 minutes ago, Harry said:

Sorry, I missed this question earlier. 
Of course it’s not to do with Bozo’s credibility- does he even have any? 
Of course it’s not to distract from the party scandal. The reason that’s come up is simply to get rid of him. Note that the Stratton video has been widely reported as having occurred days after the alleged party in Dec 20, yet the briefing room it was in wasn’t refurbed until March 21.

Its because they are shit-scared of the thing. They are shit-scared to admit that people will die and there’s not a lot they can really do about it. They know that this was a man-made virus and are shit-scared to admit it. It’s because they know that they ****** up and have done absolutely nothing to improve the health services since this began. It’s because they don’t give a **** about your health and haven’t given vulnerable people any support whatsoever in 20 months to help them improve their chances of survival. It’s because they know that this crisis has managed to line their pockets and the pockets of their friends and they are more than happy for that to continue so that they get richer whilst everyone else suffers. It’s nothing to do with a global conspiracy. It started with incompetence and has ended up a breeding ground for greed. They’re shit-scared to admit it. And they don’t want it to end because they are getting rich off the back of it. You would be deluding yourself if you thought that anyone in power and anyone who is involved in any decision making on any of this actually gives a single flying **** about you or your health. 
Why do wars occur? Resources, greed, money. No global conspiracy. Just to line the pockets of the rich and powerful. 
This is no different. Who is benefitting from the pandemic? The rich. Why would they want it so end? Why would they want to put in proper health measures and services which would actually help, when they can just do **** all and impose new regulations every now and again and keep raking the money in. Covid, like war, is a huge juicy big-balled cash cow. And they’ll milk that sweet little hairy ****** for as long as they can get away with it. 

Harry is on the Kia Ora early tonight

[Son of Fred]

6 hours ago, Riaz said:

nonsense

I can assure you it's true.