Vaccine Passport - Plan B

[Son of Fred]

6 hours ago, big p said:

This is rubbish and let me guess you saw this on GMB or the Lorraine show. The true number is around 36%, Ofcom has received over 2000 complaints since this lie. 

No,,not on TV....promise!

[Selred]

2 minutes ago, Harry said:

Lost huh? 
So, did you get your jabs because you wanted to go on holiday. You work overseas occasionally as well i understand. Did you get your jabs so you could fly off to your work meetings?  
Did you get your jabs because you were actually afraid of covid? 
Or did you get it to “protect others”. 
Be honest. Because everyone I know under 70, 100% did not do it for the last reason, so I’m sure you are no different. 

I did it for myself, AND to protect others. Doesn't have to be one or the other. 

[TonyTonyTony]

Just now, Harry said:

Lost huh? 
So, did you get your jabs because you wanted to go on holiday. You work overseas occasionally as well i understand. Did you get your jabs so you could fly off to your work meetings?  
Did you get your jabs because you were actually afraid of covid? 
Or did you get it to “protect others”. 
Be honest. Because everyone I know under 70, 100% did not do it for the last reason, so I’m sure you are no different. 

Actually not been abroad for work since Feb ‘19.

I got the jab to protect myself and others. Simple as that really. I work in the scientific field and trust in science not whoppers on the internet with nazi vaccine avatars.

[Son of Fred]

6 hours ago, LoyalRed said:

Even if what @Son of Fred is saying is true, someone else posted that there are only 48 ICU beds in Southmead. 

Correct....

Four pods of 12 beds.

[big p]

4 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Where have I said I’m grateful not being locked up? You are making shit up now.

Nobody likes restrictions. I had a holiday cancelled because of Covid. It’s shit. But if I can get some / most of my life back by following new rules then I’ll do it. Your carefree, stamp your feet tantrums don’t achieve anything.

"Last year we couldn't go to a game but this year we can" 

Well lucky old little you..

This is completely embarrassing.

 

 

 

[Son of Fred]

6 hours ago, Harry said:

Proven to be false. 
The governments own publication show the latest stats for weeks 44-47 show 65% vaxxed, 35% unvaxxed. 
 

No one, certainly not me, is denying that vaccines do work, for a specific section of the population. For everyone else, it’s negligible. And the sole focus, concentration, money and resource that’s been put into it at the behest of everything else is what is currently to blame for the nhs being busy. 
 

The government don’t give a single flying **** about your health. 

My source is the 'horses mouth,,..

Not the Government!!

[bbew]

The bit that is still seems to make no sense, but that the media does not seem to be questioning, is the reason for any further restrictions - because there could be 1,000 covid hospitalisations a day.

The sage models from a few months back predicted a best case scenario of about 1,800 admissions a day.  The worst case scenario of about 50,000 admissions a day, and a most likely scenario of about 7,000 admissions a day.

 So how can the trigger point for new restrictions be due a a position that is so much better the even the best case prediction?

It seems to me that covid is being used as the reason to cover the general bad state the NHS is in, and politicians will introduce any measure, irrespective of of small a difference it may may, as the NHS is so near tipping point anyhow.

Over 20% of people in Southmead are classed as bed blockers.  They do not actually need to be in hospital but are struggling to find anywhere to go, partially as a result of not enough places in care home due to lack of staff (made even worse by up to 60,000 being sacked to due vaccine policies in the UK).

This then leads to ambulances being parked up outside the hospital with patients in.  They are waiting for beds to become free and also as covid policy means they cannot now stay in corridors as they would in the past.

This then means that 999 calls cannot be attended to.  This is the most frightening thing about this, and anyone who has watched the BBC programme ambulance will know the pressures the ambulance services are under.

The thought that in the UK you can ring an ambulance and it not turn up for over 5 hours is something that is frightening and shows who much further investment/change in policy is required in the NHS.

 

[Harry]

59 minutes ago, Selred said:

New figures show that more than 90 per cent of Covid sufferers requiring the most specialist care are unvaccinated.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/doctors-and-nurses-vent-anger-as-unvaccinated-covid-cases-delay-vital-operations-z3zchvv9l

You’ll find that claim has been quite comprehensively debunked. 
The only data figure available states 36%. This is for November 21. 
The figures you refer to are purportedly in relation to patients who go to ECMO and that figure was based on a sample of 150 cases in May-June. 
 

Anyone who went out to the media or on tv over the last couple of days who said “90% of  icu is taken up by the unvaccinated” was telling lies. 
 

I note that you have been very careful and have stated “the most specialist care”, which in the small sample cases taken in May to June, would be true. But let’s not be facetious here - the narrative that’s been in the media this week did not explicitly state that, did it??! 

[Galley is our king]

10 minutes ago, Harry said:

Lost huh? 
So, did you get your jabs because you wanted to go on holiday. You work overseas occasionally as well i understand. Did you get your jabs so you could fly off to your work meetings?  
Did you get your jabs because you were actually afraid of covid? 
Or did you get it to “protect others”. 
Be honest. Because everyone I know under 70, 100% did not do it for the last reason, so I’m sure you are no different. 

Well got mine including booster so as not to get covid and end up in hospital.

We are not going abroad and I don't work now and am under 70.

Seems a simple decision to be honest 

[Red-Robbo]

8 minutes ago, Harry said:

Sorry, I missed this question earlier. 
Of course it’s not to do with Bozo’s credibility- does he even have any? 
Of course it’s not to distract from the party scandal. The reason that’s come up is simply to get rid of him. Note that the Stratton video has been widely reported as having occurred days after the alleged party in Dec 20, yet the briefing room it was in wasn’t refurbed until March 21.

Its because they are shit-scared of the thing. They are shit-scared to admit that people will die and there’s not a lot they can really do about it. They know that this was a man-made virus and are shit-scared to admit it. It’s because they know that they ****** up and have done absolutely nothing to improve the health services since this began. It’s because they don’t give a **** about your health and haven’t given vulnerable people any support whatsoever in 20 months to help them improve their chances of survival. It’s because they know that this crisis has managed to line their pockets and the pockets of their friends and they are more than happy for that to continue so that they get richer whilst everyone else suffers. It’s nothing to do with a global conspiracy. It started with incompetence and has ended up a breeding ground for greed. They’re shit-scared to admit it. And they don’t want it to end because they are getting rich off the back of it. You would be deluding yourself if you thought that anyone in power and anyone who is involved in any decision making on any of this actually gives a single flying **** about you or your health. 
Why do wars occur? Resources, greed, money. No global conspiracy. Just to line the pockets of the rich and powerful. 
This is no different. Who is benefitting from the pandemic? The rich. Why would they want it to end? Why would they want to put in proper health measures and services which would actually help, when they can just do **** all and impose new regulations every now and again and keep raking the money in. Covid, like war, is a huge juicy big-balled cash cow. And they’ll milk that sweet little hairy ****** for as long as they can get away with it. 

 

But H - even your back-of-fag-packet calculations (which I haven't time to check) - the risk to the unvaccinated spectator is very marginally decreased. If that spectator is 80, as some guys sitting near me are, or has COPD or diabetes (ditto), I suspect that very small number might be higher. 

You need to magnify your tiny number by everyone attending a football match, rugby match, race meeting, antiques fair, and other large event add in everyone going to a nightclub, for potentially a period of multiple months. Then that tiny fraction becomes a larger whole figure. Importantly it is a positive figure, not a negative one.

I will agree with you that there's something a bit tokenistic about the app as it is being used. The difference it'll make to overall infections is small.  I'd rather they enforced masking in the concourses and crowds in front of them, that would probably prevent more infections.

However the name of the game is slightly slowing, not stopping, the advance of Omicron, and it is clear this will help in a tiny way towards this.

Downloading the app won't make money for any of the elites or big corporations. It's free. It's available at no cost. The government has already forked out a fortune for it and this won't go up if 50 million people use it or none do.  So in this case, I feel the explanation "they are doing this to cash in on the Pandemic" doesn't hold water. 

[Harry]

8 minutes ago, Son of Fred said:

My source is the 'horses mouth,,..

Not the Government!!

I refer you to my reply to Sellred, above. 

[Harry]

4 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

But H - even your back-of-fag-packet calculations (which I haven't time to check) - the risk to the unvaccinated spectator is very marginally decreased. If that spectator is 80, as some guys sitting near me are, or has COPD or diabetes (ditto), I suspect that very small number might be higher. 

You need to magnify your tiny number by everyone attending a football match, rugby match, race meeting, antiques fair, and other large event add in everyone going to a nightclub, for potentially a period of multiple months. Then that tiny fraction becomes a larger whole figure. Importantly it is a positive figure, not a negative one.

I will agree with you that there's something a bit tokenistic about the app as it is being used. The difference it'll make to overall infections is small.  I'd rather they enforced masking in the concourses and crowds in front of them, that would probably prevent more infections.

However the name of the game is slightly slowing, not stopping, the advance of Omicron, and it is clear this will help in a tiny way towards this.

Downloading the app won't make money for any of the elites or big corporations. It's free. It's available at no cost. The government has already forked out a fortune for it and this won't go up if 50 million people use it or none do.  So in this case, I feel the explanation "they are doing this to cash in on the Pandemic" doesn't hold water. 

So we can agree that a vax pass to football makes so little difference that it isn’t worthwhile. I’m glad we agree on that. Excellent. 
 

As to your final paragraph, if you think people aren’t making money out of extending the pandemic and implementing restrictions then you sir, are living in a cave. 

[exAtyeoMax]

4 hours ago, CiderJar said:

Only in the context of Siouxsie And The Banshees

The sun is up, the sky is blue
It's beautiful and so are you
Dear Prudence won't you come out and play

 

or

 

[exAtyeoMax]

27 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Harry is on the Kia Ora early tonight

Too orangey for crows…

[Red-Robbo]

Just now, Harry said:

So we can agree that a vax pass to football makes so little difference that it isn’t worthwhile. I’m glad we agree on that. Excellent. 
 

As to your final paragraph, if you think people aren’t making money out of extending the pandemic and implementing restrictions then you sir, are living in a cave. 

 

People are making money out of it. I never said they weren't. I'd rather we paid 40 times less for the NHS app, which is what the Germans did for their, more sophisticated, version. But that's Tory cronyism and inefficiency for you.

However downloading an app (or taking a PCR) is not a vast imposition on anyone and isn't some mighty power grab by the state. It might make little difference to infections, but it makes some, so it's worth a few seconds of anyone's time.

If you're worried about state power grabs I'd be more concerned about the implications of the Policing Bill or Priti Patel giving herself unilateral power to take away citizenship without right to appeal.  These are more worthy of your angst.  

[Gazred]

1 minute ago, exAtyeoMax said:

Too orangey for crows…

It's no Um Bongo.

[Bristol Rob]

Just now, Gazred said:

It's no Um Bongo.

Wouldn't know.

I think the Congo has been added to the red list.

[frenchred]

1 hour ago, big p said:

All the people who are happy to go with the restrictions please answer this question honestly.

 

How long are you prepared to go with the Government restrictions?

What restrictions are you referring to?

[Kid in the Riot]

Personally I got vaccinated because I believed the scientific community over Right Said Fred. 

[CiderCraig]

1 hour ago, big p said:

Ha ha , if having a differing view is really upsetting you, then I'm over the moon. Keep reading the news, im sure the next variant is just around the corner..

 

Difference of view doesn't upset, far from it.

Bizarrely, I would happily have a balanced conversation with you at the Gate sometime (and I mean chat, this isn't a guarded threat), but...

you won't be there for a while, so at least I know I will be surrounded by like minded people.

[IAmNick]

22 minutes ago, Harry said:

So we can agree that a vax pass to football makes so little difference that it isn’t worthwhile. I’m glad we agree on that. Excellent. 
 

As to your final paragraph, if you think people aren’t making money out of extending the pandemic and implementing restrictions then you sir, are living in a cave. 

Do you not also equally accept there are many who would profit greatly from not having any restrictions? Who are equally elite and in the ear of the government?

Haven't we already built the app and bought the jabs?

So it'd perhaps only benefit a small handful of your elites to do this, most of whom aren't even UK based, so why would our government be appeasing them..? Why are the other governments?

 

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

52 minutes ago, Harry said:

Lost huh? 
So, did you get your jabs because you wanted to go on holiday. You work overseas occasionally as well i understand. Did you get your jabs so you could fly off to your work meetings?  
Did you get your jabs because you were actually afraid of covid? 
Or did you get it to “protect others”. 
Be honest. Because everyone I know under 70, 100% did not do it for the last reason, so I’m sure you are no different. 

I got my jab because as soon as this pandemic hit, I wanted to have as much protection as possible.  And I've just had my booster and nobody coerced me.  I couldn't wait! 

You are full of false certainty and knowledge becuase you've educated yourself. 

[Steve Watts]

2 hours ago, big p said:

Ballanced approach, He said people with differing views are batshit crazy.. Course it is

Absolutely not what I said. I said the New World Order/Great Reset conspiracy theorists are Batshit crazy. And that is a view I will stand by. That's not a different opinion, it's grounded in utter falsehoods and proven to be so. But you feel free to twist words however you like, I won't lose sleep over it.

[Harry]

39 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

People are making money out of it. I never said they weren't. I'd rather we paid 40 times less for the NHS app, which is what the Germans did for their, more sophisticated, version. But that's Tory cronyism and inefficiency for you.

However downloading an app (or taking a PCR) is not a vast imposition on anyone and isn't some mighty power grab by the state. It might make little difference to infections, but it makes some, so it's worth a few seconds of anyone's time.

If you're worried about state power grabs I'd be more concerned about the implications of the Policing Bill or Priti Patel giving herself unilateral power to take away citizenship without right to appeal.  These are more worthy of your angst.  

So, a question to you then. 
Why do you think they are putting through the Policing Bill? 

16 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

Do you not also equally accept there are many who would profit greatly from not having any restrictions? Who are equally elite and in the ear of the government?

Haven't we already built the app and bought the jabs?

So it'd perhaps only benefit a small handful of your elites to do this, most of whom aren't even UK based, so why would our government be appeasing them..? Why are the other governments?

 

Naive not to think there’s still a lot of money to be made by a lot of people in continuing the fear of the pandemic 

Edited December 9, 2021 by Harry

[Harry]

11 minutes ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said:

I got my jab because as soon as this pandemic hit, I wanted to have as much protection as possible.  And I've just had my booster and nobody coerced me.  I couldn't wait! 

You are full of false certainty and knowledge becuase you've educated yourself. 

Good for you. I’m happy for you. 
There are millions who have been coerced though. If you don’t think so then you presumably don’t want to see it. 

[BrizzleRed]

1 hour ago, big p said:

You speak as if you're grateful that we are "Allowed" to leave the house and not be  in lockdown. Sorry but that's funking rubbish... We should never accept it. No corrupt government should be allowed to take our freedoms away, ever!

If all those lockdowns worked, why is there still restrictions placed on us.

That's why I asked how long will people tolerate it. 

Wtf are you on about?

Anybody can choose to ignore the advice, but it’s just that most people can actually see the reasons for what’s going on and follow advice, even if they aren’t happy about it.

Lucky for you really, because if we all had your attitude, we’d all be ****** and you wouldn’t dtill be going about hour ‘normal’ life!

It’s pretty obvious you’re just anti-establishment and are just going to carry on doing what you want, regardless of the consequences.  

Think yourself lucky you live in a country where you can get away with that, but I should ease off the sarcastic comments towards anyone who doesn’t share your views.  

They are also following their own consciences and not being led by a ring through their nose by the government like you seem to be inferring.

[lenred]

5 minutes ago, Harry said:

Good for you. I’m happy for you. 
There are millions who have been coerced though. If you don’t think so then you presumably don’t want to see it. 

Forgive if I’m wrong but you said you have had the jabs right?

[cidered abroad]

Reference claims a day ago that it would take two weeks to get a Covid Pass. 

This morning, I downloaded the NHS App, completed all the data it requred and got my Pass within half an hour of starting.

[Steve Watts]

1 hour ago, Harry said:

Funny how no one has mentioned New World Order or Great Reset except for you and Robbo. 
 

I was simply responding to a point in a post.... 

[big p]

46 minutes ago, CiderCraig said:

Difference of view doesn't upset, far from it.

Bizarrely, I would happily have a balanced conversation with you at the Gate sometime (and I mean chat, this isn't a guarded threat), but...

you won't be there for a while, so at least I know I will be surrounded by like minded people.

Yes with your four masks on standing 8 foot away from the person you're chatting too, making sure you are stood by the well ventilated entrance, waving your brand new covid passport around whilst telling everyone how brave you are...ha ha .  

Edited December 9, 2021 by big p