Poor Old Everton

[Mr Popodopolous]

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/everton-finances-club-secure-financial-fair-play-sanctions-120-loss-1546706

Those losses are horrendous- yes Covid, yes some of it is down to a new ground, yes good Community Spend.,

However FFP at that level should not be failable. Not with £105m in a 3 year period BEFORE allowable costs.

There is also some poor reporting, they are banging on about 3 years but with FFP Covid amendments it is 3 years...of sorts.

Quote

2017/18

2018/19

2019/20 and 2020/21 combined average

There is no standalone assessment for 3 years to 2019/20.

Pre tax losses..

Quote

2017/18-  -£13,070,000

2018/19-  -£111,845,000

2019/20-  -£139,863,000

2020/21-  -£120,934,000

I mean, words fail me somewhat!

Edited March 29, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[Swede]

Wow with all those eye watering losses plus parachute payments for failure if they go down it will make even more of a mockery of the whole FFP system! Paradoxically, it might just make the football powers that be take a long look at the abject disparity of wealth and rules that now exists between the top two divisions when it comes to FFP.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Two bits.

One, the actual revenue hit etc they claimed was as per the accounts not £103m- I got that slightly wrong on early glance.

What I am unsure is if the £103m is exclusive of the Impairment- so it's £103m-£14.8m=Attempted player addbacks and the like...mix of profit on disposal, amortisation and wage savings of £88.2m OR £103m-£14.8m-£15.3m=£72.9m OR even the same - £7.2m which would be one of £65.5m.

Plus, secondly- Steve Gibson may have started a trend!!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10685545/Everton-sued-373m-losses-Premier-League-rivals-amid-doubts-Covid-write-off.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10676973/If-Everton-avoid-Financial-Fair-Play-penalty-skin-teeth-warn-experts.html

Other clubs are strongly scrutinising their accounts and may sue.

Their claims are an utter pisstake so I hope they don't get away with things.

[Slippin cider]

Could be a league 1 side in a couple of seasons….

[22A]

They've some pessimists tonight; https://www.toffeetalk.com/topic/33049-burnley-away-wednesday-6th-april/

[daored]

If Burnley lose tonight then likely to be relegated - could be a bad night for Everton 

[RUSSEL85]

Everton’s defence is not premier league quality! 

[RUSSEL85]

3 minutes ago, RUSSEL85 said:

Everton’s defence is not premier league quality! 

Case and point! 

[Super]

Must be the season Burnley go down. They are dire.

[cidercity1987]

Frank is a lucky manager that's for sure

Two soft pens away at their relegation rivals

Burnley are shite though

Edited April 6, 2022 by cidercity1987

[kit]

Typical mike dean ruining football games. How that second is a pen i just dont know. 

Burnley have offered nothing but neither have everton other then two incredibly dubious penalty's.

[Wiltshire robin]

5 minutes ago, kit said:

Typical mike dean ruining football games. How that second is a pen i just dont know. 

Burnley have offered nothing but neither have everton other then two incredibly dubious penalty's.

I haven’t been watching the game but it’s Mike deans last season so he’ll spend most of it milking the lime light.

[Midred]

Apparently he's one of the pl's best referees and he'll be sorely.missed......

 

In his own mind!

[Super]

2-2

[Super]

Oh dear 

[RUSSEL85]

Oh Everton! You make our defence look half competent 

[The Original OTIB]

Down now, no chance.

[Red Homer]

Whoops!

[Jerseybean]

The defending for Burnley's third was absolutely shocking. 

[Olé]

Love watching Josh Brownhill play, he just never stops.

[The Nest Egg]

3 minutes ago, Olé said:

Love watching Josh Brownhill play, he just never stops.

Wish he never stopped playing for us! 

[cidercity1987]

 I REALLY want these to come down 

Enjoyed that game, proper Championship level scrap

It seems unlikely that Everton survive with a terrible manager and a hard run in

[Super]

Shambles. You defend like that you will get relegated..

[Shaun Taylor]

It's looking like the scallys and their forged bank notes will be visiting Bristol next season!

[Atlanta_Red]

Lampard really is a fraud. I guess it’s not his fault he got appointed. 

[Fordy62]

My word I enjoyed that. 

[Fpcity]

1 minute ago, Atlanta_Red said:

Lampard really is a fraud. I guess it’s not his fault he got appointed. 

I don't think he'll last if they lose the next game. Expect big Sam until the end of the season 

[Redstart]

Looking at Everton's run in they look truly screwed. 

[RUSSEL85]

Lampard isn’t the problem, or the solution. They have had some top managers in recent times. The club is rotten from the top down.

[Bris Red]

Lampard’s career as a manager feels like it is more a less over before it has even started.. That’s what you get for taking the wrong jobs at the wrong time in your career.
Should never have gone to Chelsea and should never have gone to Everton.

[cidercity1987]

1 minute ago, RUSSEL85 said:

Lampard isn’t the problem, or the solution. They have had some top managers in recent times. The club is rotten from the top down.

Everton fans hate Benitez but there is no way he would have taken them down

Lampard was a terrible appointment 

[Atlanta_Red]

1 minute ago, RUSSEL85 said:

Lampard isn’t the problem, or the solution. They have had some top managers in recent times. The club is rotten from the top down.

Maybe it’s just that I hate it when a big name player gets prem jobs while other lesser known coaches have to work up from the bottom. 

[RUSSEL85]

Just now, Atlanta_Red said:

Maybe it’s just that I hate it when a big name player gets prem jobs while other lesser known coaches have to work up from the bottom. 

Oh I agree. I’m no fan of lampard but he is a small part of a very big problem at Everton 

[22A]

1 hour ago, cidercity1987 said:

Burnley are shite though

Yet with 30 mins to go and 2-1 down I thought Burnley were playing the better football and to me looked the more likely to win.

[Midred]

1 minute ago, Atlanta_Red said:

Maybe it’s just that I hate it when a big name player gets prem jobs while other lesser known coaches have to work up from the bottom. 

Perhaps Derby will have him back....in league one!

[Redstart]

Dele Ali working out well then - still sitting on the bench and couldn't get a game v Burnley, total waste of time and money! 

[The Original OTIB]

11 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

 I REALLY want these to come down 

Enjoyed that game, proper Championship level scrap

It seems unlikely that Everton survive with a terrible manager and a hard run in

On the bright side for them, go down, Rooney in, straight back up possible.

[Robbored]

Everton deep in the shit now……..terrible defending. 

[chinapig]

7 minutes ago, Midred said:

Perhaps Derby will have him back....in league one!

Well, when he managed them in the Championship he did improve their position from 6th to, um..., 6th.

[Sir Geoff]

20 minutes ago, Redstart said:

Dele Ali working out well then - still sitting on the bench and couldn't get a game v Burnley, total waste of time and money! 

Can't play him as they will owe Spurs £10 million once he makes 20 appearances.

[Sir Geoff]

Good result for Watford tonight. They have a decent run in and looked  like a team at Anfield last weekend. Burnley and Everton to go down imo.

[cidered abroad]

If Everton are relegated, they will do what they did the last time they were in 1952 or 1953, before most of you were born or even a twinkle in your Dad and Mums eyes.

Go straight back up again.

 

[TonyTonyTony]

Manure, Leicester, Liverpool, Arse still left to play 

RIP Fwank

[The Coach]

6 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Manure, Leicester, Liverpool, Arse still left to play 

RIP Fwank

And Chelsea

[Redstart]

23 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

Can't play him as they will owe Spurs £10 million once he makes 20 appearances.

Ouch, didn't know that, but I think he's only played 6 times for them so far so possibly something else going on with him. 

[The Original OTIB]

16 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

If Everton are relegated, they will do what they did the last time they were in 1952 or 1953, before most of you were born or even a twinkle in your Dad and Mums eyes.

Go straight back up again.

 

No, took 3 years

[Waconda]

1 hour ago, chinapig said:

Well, when he managed them in the Championship he did improve their position from 6th to, um..., 6th.

Nothing wrong with Managers who don't improve teams !

[BS4 on Tour...]

40 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

If Everton are relegated, they will do what they did the last time they were in 1952 or 1953, before most of you were born or even a twinkle in your Dad and Mums eyes.

Go straight back up again.

Sorry to burst your bubble - they didn’t go straight back up - it took them three seasons to get promoted again ...

[BS4 on Tour...]

47 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Manure, Leicester, Liverpool, Arse still left to play 

RIP Fwank

Not sure why you’ve labelled him ‘Fwank’ - strange. I feel for Frank Lampard, what a fantastic footballer he was (his work ethic during and after training sessions is well documented and is amazing) and what a top bloke he appears to be - listen to his exchange with James O’Brien on the radio way back when he called in on the anniversary of his Mum’s death to take O’Brien to the cleaners when that vile presenter broadcast that Lampard was a bad father - he had O’Brien squirming and backtracking. Frank is obviously a decent guy who is desperate to do well as a manager when he doesn’t need the dosh. He just wants to be still involved and he is trying so hard to get success ... “Fwank”?! ... embarrassing...

Edited April 6, 2022 by BS4 on Tour...

[TonyTonyTony]

17 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Not sure why you’ve labelled him ‘Fwank’ - strange. I feel for Frank Lampard, what a fantastic footballer he was (his work ethic during and after training sessions is well documented and is amazing) and what a top bloke he appears to be - listen to his exchange with James O’Brien on the radio way back when he called in on the anniversary of his Mum’s death to take O’Brien to the cleaners when that vile presenter broadcast that Lampard was a bad father - he had O’Brien squirming and backtracking. Frank is obviously a decent guy who is desperate to do well as a manager when he doesn’t need the dosh. He just wants to be still involved and he is trying so hard to get success ... “Fwank”?! ... embarrassing...

Shit manager though…..Stay off the Malbec 

[Sturny]

24 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Not sure why you’ve labelled him ‘Fwank’ - strange. I feel for Frank Lampard, what a fantastic footballer he was (his work ethic during and after training sessions is well documented and is amazing) and what a top bloke he appears to be - listen to his exchange with James O’Brien on the radio way back when he called in on the anniversary of his Mum’s death to take O’Brien to the cleaners when that vile presenter broadcast that Lampard was a bad father - he had O’Brien squirming and backtracking. Frank is obviously a decent guy who is desperate to do well as a manager when he doesn’t need the dosh. He just wants to be still involved and he is trying so hard to get success ... “Fwank”?! ... embarrassing...

[Super]

1 hour ago, Sir Geoff said:

Can't play him as they will owe Spurs £10 million once he makes 20 appearances.

Cost them a lot more if they get relegated.

[pillred]

1 hour ago, cidered abroad said:

If Everton are relegated, they will do what they did the last time they were in 1952 or 1953, before most of you were born or even a twinkle in your Dad and Mums eyes.

Go straight back up again.

 

And with 100 million odd in parachute payments I certainly would agree with you, surely something has to be done to stop rewarding failure like this.

[PHILINFRANCE]

3 hours ago, Fordy62 said:

My word I enjoyed that. 

So did I.

I was very tempted to switch to Chelsea, but found this a really enjoyable game.

3 hours ago, paul_fox said:

I don't think he'll last if they lose the next game. Expect big Sam until the end of the season 

Can you imagine?

I really don’t think they would, but, à la Keegan, I would love it if they did.

2 hours ago, cidered abroad said:

If Everton are relegated, they will do what they did the last time they were in 1952 or 1953, before most of you were born or even a twinkle in your Dad and Mums eyes.

 

As far as I have been led to believe, it was only men who had twinkles in their eyes back in the 1950s; women didn’t really start to enjoy ‘that sort of thing’ until the 1960s.

[Phileas Fogg]

7 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Not sure why you’ve labelled him ‘Fwank’ - strange. I feel for Frank Lampard, what a fantastic footballer he was (his work ethic during and after training sessions is well documented and is amazing) and what a top bloke he appears to be - listen to his exchange with James O’Brien on the radio way back when he called in on the anniversary of his Mum’s death to take O’Brien to the cleaners when that vile presenter broadcast that Lampard was a bad father - he had O’Brien squirming and backtracking. Frank is obviously a decent guy who is desperate to do well as a manager when he doesn’t need the dosh. He just wants to be still involved and he is trying so hard to get success ... “Fwank”?! ... embarrassing...

Probably just because he's a Romford boy and it's a stereotype about how people from that area talk.. it's really not that deep 

[Agard Days Night]

21 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Probably just because he's a Romford boy and it's a stereotype about how people from that area talk.. it's really not that deep 

The classic Romford W stereotype 

[Bristol Rob]

Is the Championship ready for Everton fans?

I'm sure we all remember the 'we shouldn't be losing to <insert club name>' attitude of Villa and Newcastle supporters.

They'll be unbearable.

[Taz]

23 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Is the Championship ready for Everton fans?

I'm sure we all remember the 'we shouldn't be losing to <insert club name>' attitude of Villa and Newcastle supporters.

They'll be unbearable.

Would add numbers to the gate when we play them though, as all the local Liverpool fans will want to watch them and gloat.

Actually hope that they don't come down - can imagine the Liverpool fans comments on social media, it would be like them winning the league again. We'd never hear the last of it!!

[Show Me The Money!]

9 hours ago, pillred said:

And with 100 million odd in parachute payments I certainly would agree with you, surely something has to be done to stop rewarding failure like this.

Everton are in the FFP shit already and that’s with the prem money. I can see them struggling if they went down.

And I see them going down as well. They don’t seem to have the relegation scrap mentality that Burnley and Watford have.

Edited April 7, 2022 by Show Me The Money!

[Super]

Remaining games. Looking at those there are some shockers for them but also some games they could win.

April 9 - Man Utd (h)

April 20 - Leicester (h), live on Sky Sports

April 24 - Liverpool (a), live on Sky Sports

May 1 - Chelsea (h), live on Sky Sports

May 7 - Leicester (a)

May 10 - Watford (a)

May 15 - Brentford (h)

May 19 - Crystal Palace (h)

May 22 - Arsenal (a)

[Bristol Rob]

20 minutes ago, Super said:

Remaining games. Looking at those there are some shockers for them but also some games they could win.

April 9 - Man Utd (h)

April 20 - Leicester (h), live on Sky Sports

April 24 - Liverpool (a), live on Sky Sports

May 1 - Chelsea (h), live on Sky Sports

May 7 - Leicester (a)

May 10 - Watford (a)

May 15 - Brentford (h)

May 19 - Crystal Palace (h)

May 22 - Arsenal (a)

Based on their current form, only seeing Watford and Brentford as possible points, and neither will be easy.

[sticks 1969]

1 hour ago, Bristol Rob said:

Is the Championship ready for Everton fans?

I'm sure we all remember the 'we shouldn't be losing to <insert club name>' attitude of Villa and Newcastle supporters.

They'll be unbearable.

They would be on sky every week 

 

[TonyTonyTony]

3 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Probably just because he's a Romford boy and it's a stereotype about how people from that area talk.. it's really not that deep 

Liverpool fans used to call him Fwankie Lumplard, which was very harsh. I expect another essay from @BS4 on Tour... over analysing that one

[Super]

17 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Based on their current form, only seeing Watford and Brentford as possible points, and neither will be easy.

Leicester are a mixed bag though strange how they have to still play them twice.

[frenchred]

23 minutes ago, Super said:

Leicester are a mixed bag though strange how they have to still play them twice.

Original game was postponed due to covid around Christmas time I believe although I stand to be corrected on the date

[East Londoner]

You just know if Everton go down we’ll get them away on a Tuesday night 

[Phileas Fogg]

1 minute ago, East Londoner said:

You just know if Everton go down we’ll get them away on a Tuesday night 

That would probably be better atmosphere wise, we'd still travel well for that game but the following would be louder and less day trippers. 

[supercidered]

I think it will be very tight but Everton will stay up.

I've always thought of Everton as a bit of a meh club. They just don't bother me.

The only time I want them to win is to shut up the tedious never been out of the South West Liverpool 'fans' and I can't even remember when that last was!

Do people dislike them more because of Lamps?

 

[cidercity1987]

22 minutes ago, supercidered said:

I think it will be very tight but Everton will stay up.

I've always thought of Everton as a bit of a meh club. They just don't bother me.

The only time I want them to win is to shut up the tedious never been out of the South West Liverpool 'fans' and I can't even remember when that last was!

Do people dislike them more because of Lamps?

 

I've got nothing against Everton other than it'll be a great fixture for us like Newcastle/Villa/West Ham in the recent past.

Lampard has never been that likeable but I mainly want him to fail as I seriously think he is a very poor manager (especially tactically) getting jobs on his name.

[Ska Junkie]

IF they did come down, how would they stand ref EFL FFP rules and their enormous EPL debt (£230M isn't it)? Would they be in immediate contravention of the EFL rules so get an embargo?