Bristol Oil Services Posted September 26, 2022 Report Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Sheltons Army said: * Interesting insight into Nathan Jones and his managerial credentials , and who it would appear had a lot of good to say about City as a Club , when Naismith told him he was not staying at Luton and was sleeping on offers from a few Clubs Well, fancy that. @GrahamC, any thoughts? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted September 27, 2022 Report Share Posted September 27, 2022 18 hours ago, Sheltons Army said: Naismith with Geoff Twentyman on SOC tonight for an hour Well worth a listen , very honest about his errors , talk about his playing philosophy and the attraction of coming to City Grounded and sounds a great lad * Interesting insight into Nathan Jones and his managerial credentials , and who it would appear had a lot of good to say about City as a Club , when Naismith told him he was not staying at Luton and was sleeping on offers from a few Clubs What a great listen it was as well, worth a listen to anyone who hasn't heard it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseybean Posted September 27, 2022 Report Share Posted September 27, 2022 https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/kal-naismith-bristol-city-frustrating-7633042 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutton Caveman Posted September 27, 2022 Report Share Posted September 27, 2022 On 15/09/2022 at 08:36, old_eastender said: There is no doubting that Naismith's ability to, in general, bring down through balls, come forward out of defence and play neat passes has been an important part of us playing good possession football. He also has a sweet left foot from free kicks which have profited us. However, he had already been directly responsible for 3 goals given away before last night (and it could have been more, but for some less clinical finishing and good Bentley saves). The 2 given to Norwich last night makes that 5 goals gifted in just 9 games. Something has to change, as he will become targeted by opposing teams. For me, either we: a) switch him to left Centre Back (where he played so well for Luton), and move Atkinson to the middle - on the basis that when he loses the ball to the opposition trying to play out it's less likely to lead to a direct chance on goal. b) leave him in the middle but with clear instruction to take a more safety first approach and be prepared to drop him (for Klose when fit) if he doesn't. c) leave him in the middle but instruct Vyner or Atkinson to cover him from behind when he brings the ball out like he did before giving it away for Norwich's 2nd. Personally I'd go with option a) although that would probably make him less effective for building our forward play. No matter that he is generally a really good footballer, you can not just cannot carry on like it is with him gifting a goal away every other game. When Kalas is back why not play him as defensive midfielder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champfan45 Posted September 27, 2022 Report Share Posted September 27, 2022 19 hours ago, Selred said: He’s our more pivotal player in our current set up. His style forces our style and we’ve become a far better team this season from it. Yes he makes errors but we’ve been 10x more enjoyable to watch this season, which I believe is massively down to Naismith. I agree, he's entertaining to watch. I was moreso making the point that for me his best fit is probably as a DM screening in front of a back four. In our current setup I think Naismith and 3 centre backs is probably too defensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted September 27, 2022 Report Share Posted September 27, 2022 59 minutes ago, Champfan45 said: In our current setup I think Naismith and 3 centre backs is probably too defensive You know we are the top scorers in the league right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champfan45 Posted September 27, 2022 Report Share Posted September 27, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Selred said: You know we are the top scorers in the league right? Yes, I'm not sure we would score as much if we take one of our midfield out and put in another CB though. Unless the plan is just to hoof it over top for 90 minutes which I can't stand when we do that Edited September 27, 2022 by Champfan45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenkibby. Posted September 27, 2022 Report Share Posted September 27, 2022 Top man, first name on the sheet for me. The fact that after a mistake that leads to a goal doesn't change his approach tells me everything about the man. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engvall’s Splinter Posted September 28, 2022 Report Share Posted September 28, 2022 17 hours ago, Clutton Caveman said: When Kalas is back why not play him as defensive midfielder Keep hearing this on the Forever Bristol podcast. They are consistently banging the drum on there. As many recognise, if we take Naismith out of the back 3, we lose what he brings when setting up our attacks. No other defender can do it as they aren’t ball players.. No doubt he drives me crazy when he’s dropped a clanger but also appreciate how he now makes us tick moving forward. Kalas returning, with his pace, alongside him may get us out of certain situations. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted September 28, 2022 Report Share Posted September 28, 2022 14 hours ago, Champfan45 said: Yes, I'm not sure we would score as much if we take one of our midfield out and put in another CB though. Unless the plan is just to hoof it over top for 90 minutes which I can't stand when we do that Why would we do that? That would be 6 at the back? You said our current set up is too defensive, which I disagree with, as we are top scorers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted September 28, 2022 Report Share Posted September 28, 2022 Everyone is assuming that Kalas will recover. Is he "back on the grass" yet? Could we be leaving him out because he may have a hefty appearance in addition to basic wage? I do think that Naismith would be fine as defensive central midfielder but we'd lose his leadership and organisation skills in the back three! That could possibly be a major role to help them grow in stature but we see it only as someone who can pass to midfielders instead of just going long as we have in the previous three/four years. The lack of hoofball is a significant factor in the success we are creating up front. So why chang it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 Hmmm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 If Vyner had played like Naismith did today OTIB would have already exploded. 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_V1 Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 How many unforced errors and goals conceded are we prepared to accept before he gets dropped or moved to a different position? He just can’t help himself taking stupid unnecessary risks would much rather klose with Atkinson and vyner For all the flak vyner gets he’s looked way more solid than Naismith so far 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Andrew_V1 said: How many unforced errors and goals conceded are we prepared to accept before he gets dropped or moved to a different position? He just can’t help himself taking stupid unnecessary risks would much rather klose with Atkinson and vyner For all the flak vyner gets he’s looked way more solid than Naismith so far The risk is now outweighing the reward with Naismith. But with Klose out of favour and Kalas perpetually injured the back 3 will not change. So it remains down to the forwards to score 3 every game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 14 minutes ago, Andrew_V1 said: For all the flak vyner gets he’s looked way more solid than Naismith so far Flak Vyner …. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 He is a good player, but he is also a liability. Have given him enough time now. His decision making at times is frankly bizarre. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 19 minutes ago, chinapig said: The risk is now outweighing the reward with Naismith. But with Klose out of favour and Kalas perpetually injured the back 3 will not change. So it remains down to the forwards to score 3 every game. Klose is injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 We all know that Naismith has a sweet left foot and can take a decent free kick but why oh why does he take corners? Any player can deliver a decent corner and being a CB surely he’d cause more havoc in the actual penalty box? ……….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 Poor today but Sykes had a real shocker. Even bigger worry was Wilson came on & looked to be really struggling as well, lost his man several times & didn’t look comfortable at all. On this basis Tanner looks more likely to get a go. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, Robbored said: Klose is injured. Sure but he was out of favour from the start with Vyner, a player I'm sure would have left if we had been able to bring in at least one of the two further centre backs it seems Nigel wanted, chosen ahead of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dredd Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 Swap him with Atkinson at least. If he’s gonna give the ball away let it not be right in the middle of the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Robbored said: We all know that Naismith has a sweet left foot and can take a decent free kick but why oh why does he take corners? Any player can deliver a decent corner and being a CB surely he’d cause more havoc in the actual penalty box? ……….. I agree. So who takes the corners from that side? The decision seems to be Naismith is the guy which speaks to lack of options for me. Naismith delivery seems to be his saving grace with many, however today he shanked or over hit a couple and got beaten on the ball in dangerous areas for us. But who else? If Kalas and Klose are not fit we have a real problem. Every team in the championship now knows Naismith is several accidents waiting to happen and push on him. As Owers says he takes to many touches and allows team mates to be closed down before he hits a pass or gets beaten in the tackle. Nevertheless it’s easy to identify the issue. Doing something about it is why Pearson gets paid the big bucks I guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 Thinks he’s a far better player than he is 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 16 minutes ago, Bobbie said: Thinks he’s a far better player than he is Or as good a player as he was. OR A Massive loss of form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 29 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Poor today but Sykes had a real shocker. Even bigger worry was Wilson came on & looked to be really struggling as well, lost his man several times & didn’t look comfortable at all. On this basis Tanner looks more likely to get a go. Yep today was poor, particularly the first half, marginally better second 45. That said I thought that QPR played really well and were half a yard quicker than us all over the pitch - they looked a good side. Scott is suspended for the Coventry game so with Williams unable to play two games a week I guess HNM and Andy King will be the CM paring on Tuesday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnr1986 Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 (edited) He is a liability, and has cost many times now , I hope he is the one to make way when Kalas is back fit! Edited October 1, 2022 by Johnr1986 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 47 minutes ago, Robbored said: Any player can deliver a decent corner Oh come on. Far. From. The. Case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said: Oh come on. Far. From. The. Case. Even Stephen Pearson could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgy Red Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 Defensively we are a shambles! Naismith had a decent season at Luton but he had players like Campbell and Mpanzu in front of him screening, and dominant ball winning centre backs alongside him. He doesn't have that luxury with us. We are where we are and there will be many more bumps in the road as the season progresses. We have played 3 of the best sides in the league in our last 3 games but we do need to bounce back with our next 3 or 4 fixtures. At least its not boring! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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