How much?

[Port Said Red]

So we have earned £225k in prize money from the previous 2 rounds of the cup, a win in this round would double that, but the odds have to be against that. 

However, there is still money to be made, but how much? I would imagine that Gate receipts from a full house, hospitality etc would be approaching £750,000 assuming around £25 for around 20k adults and 7000 concessions at around £15  a ticket. An additional £120,000 in F&B, Gross should be achievable. We receive 50% of the Gate receipts but retain all the additional income.

It seems likely we will also get a live TV spot which is worth £247,500 to each team.What I am not sure of is whether we get more for any overseas sales that are likely considering our opposition and their global reach. 

I am sure there is potential for additional income from merchandise and collectables too. It seems that a gross £750,000 is a good ball park figure to expect.

A televised replay could also earn an additional £120,000 if it is televised and 50% of any gate receipts at the Etihad, would surely be greater than those from the home tie.

This could go some way to explaining why the purse strings seem to have been loosened even more than we thought today.

,

 

[Roger Red Hat]

7 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

So we have earned £225k in prize money from the previous 2 rounds of the cup, a win in this round would double that, but the odds have to be against that. 

However, there is still money to be made, but how much? I would imagine that Gate receipts from a full house, hospitality etc would be approaching £750,000 assuming around £25 for around 20k adults and 7000 concessions at around £15  a ticket. An additional £120,000 in F&B, Gross should be achievable. We receive 50% of the Gate receipts but retain all the additional income.

It seems likely we will also get a live TV spot which is worth £247,500 to each team.What I am not sure of is whether we get more for any overseas sales that are likely considering our opposition and their global reach. 

I am sure there is potential for additional income from merchandise and collectables too. It seems that a gross £750,000 is a good ball park figure to expect.

A televised replay could also earn an additional £120,000 if it is televised and 50% of any gate receipts at the Etihad, would surely be greater than those from the home tie.

This could go some way to explaining why the purse strings seem to have been loosened even more than we thought today.

,

 

No replays.

[Port Said Red]

1 minute ago, Roger Red Hat said:

No replays.

Ah of course, strange then that the FA site refers to 5th round replay tv income. Perhaps they have forgotten their own rules. 

Edited January 31, 2023 by Port Said Red

[Roe]

2 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Ah of course, strange then that FA site refers to 5th round replay tv income.

Not like the FA to be out of date with anything 

[CloudyThatchers]

10 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

No replays.

Or merchandise in the shop to sell

[East End Old Boy]

1 hour ago, Port Said Red said:

So we have earned £225k in prize money from the previous 2 rounds of the cup, a win in this round would double that, but the odds have to be against that. 

However, there is still money to be made, but how much? I would imagine that Gate receipts from a full house, hospitality etc would be approaching £750,000 assuming around £25 for around 20k adults and 7000 concessions at around £15  a ticket. An additional £120,000 in F&B, Gross should be achievable. We receive 50% of the Gate receipts but retain all the additional income.

It seems likely we will also get a live TV spot which is worth £247,500 to each team.What I am not sure of is whether we get more for any overseas sales that are likely considering our opposition and their global reach. 

I am sure there is potential for additional income from merchandise and collectables too. It seems that a gross £750,000 is a good ball park figure to expect.

A televised replay could also earn an additional £120,000 if it is televised and 50% of any gate receipts at the Etihad, would surely be greater than those from the home tie.

This could go some way to explaining why the purse strings seem to have been loosened even more than we thought today.

,

 

With regard to ticket sales revenue, I thought the FA took a significant wedge before splitting the remaining between the two clubs?

[Port Said Red]

9 minutes ago, East End Old Boy said:

With regard to ticket sales revenue, I thought the FA took a significant wedge before splitting the remaining between the two clubs?

I thought that was only in the final? Seems strange that they would take gate revenue and then dish out prize money to the winner?

[RedLionLad]

1 hour ago, CloudyThatchers said:

Or merchandise in the shop to sell

There will be 50/50 scarves on sale outside the stadium, with the proceeds heading up to Merseyside

[M.D]

Extra sponsorship revenue too I would have thought

[Phantom]

19 minutes ago, M.D said:

Extra sponsorship revenue too I would have thought

We always seem to get a random shirt sleeve sponsor, guess we have just gone into a bigger pond for type of sponsors

[RedM]

I can almost guarantee it won't be £25 and £15 for tickets.

[Ronnie]

45% of the gate I think, not 50%, the FA want a share I suppose.

[sticks 1969]

8 minutes ago, RedM said:

I can almost guarantee it won't be £25 and £15 for tickets.

Closer to £35 for a adult ticket but hope I’m wrong

[East End Old Boy]

3 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

I thought that was only in the final? Seems strange that they would take gate revenue and then dish out prize money to the winner?

That may be the case! I’m guessing the prize money is already ready set for each round and if so, how’s it financed? Mind you not having replays in this round reduces the chance of any extra revenue. Well, we are talking about the FA! 

[East End Old Boy]

2 hours ago, RedM said:

I can almost guarantee it won't be £25 and £15 for tickets.

Can’t wait for that thread to start! 

[Lanterne Rouge]

I was thinking about this today. I reckon (assuming we`re on TV) the cup will be worth around £1.25m to us this season. All helps towards FFP.

[22A]

Downside. City will have to pay the electric bill for the floodlights, extra policing for the crowd and perhaps additional medical facilities.

[Sleepy1968]

1 hour ago, East End Old Boy said:

That may be the case! I’m guessing the prize money is already ready set for each round and if so, how’s it financed? Mind you not having replays in this round reduces the chance of any extra revenue. Well, we are talking about the FA! 

https://www.thefa.com/competitions/thefacup/prize-fund

The prize fund is £19,829,800. This undoubtably is funded by the main competition sponsor - Emirates.

(Obviously by stating something as 'fact', I'm just clock watching until I'm disproved ... )

Edited January 31, 2023 by Sleepy1968

[McNasty Filth]

4 hours ago, sticks 1969 said:

Closer to £35 for a adult ticket but hope I’m wrong

Gonna call it at £40 for adults

[RedM]

As I predicted, not £25 and £15 hoped for by some sadly.

[bcfc01]

Shocking prices.

We'll be giving this one a swerve.

 

[cidered abroad]

On 31/01/2023 at 14:32, Port Said Red said:

So we have earned £225k in prize money from the previous 2 rounds of the cup, a win in this round would double that, but the odds have to be against that. 

However, there is still money to be made, but how much? I would imagine that Gate receipts from a full house, hospitality etc would be approaching £750,000 assuming around £25 for around 20k adults and 7000 concessions at around £15  a ticket. An additional £120,000 in F&B, Gross should be achievable. We receive 50% of the Gate receipts but retain all the additional income.

It seems likely we will also get a live TV spot which is worth £247,500 to each team.What I am not sure of is whether we get more for any overseas sales that are likely considering our opposition and their global reach. 

I am sure there is potential for additional income from merchandise and collectables too. It seems that a gross £750,000 is a good ball park figure to expect.

A televised replay could also earn an additional £120,000 if it is televised and 50% of any gate receipts at the Etihad, would surely be greater than those from the home tie.

This could go some way to explaining why the purse strings seem to have been loosened even more than we thought today.

,

 

A very useful financial reward for beating the Baggies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bristol Rob]

On 31/01/2023 at 16:55, sticks 1969 said:

Closer to £35 for a adult ticket but hope I’m wrong

You were.

But probably not in the way that you were hoping. 

[redkev]

22 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Shocking prices.

We'll be giving this one a swerve.

 

If we ever get to the prem we won’t be seeing you then ,not saying your wrong I’m just saying how it is.

prem prices are disgustingly high , especially Spurs , Arsenal & Chelsea

Edited February 3, 2023 by redkev

[bcfc01]

2 minutes ago, redkev said:

If we ever get to the prem we won’t be seeing you then ,not saying your wrong I’m just saying how it is.

prem prices are disgustingly high , especially Spurs , Arsenal & Chelsea

Correct.

 

[italian dave]

@Port Said Red - I think now is the time to edit the thread title from a ? to a !

[sglosbcfc]

I'm just doing the maths, me + 2 kids = a ****ing huge wedge.

[redsocks]

Can't believe it.on about treating your supporters like shit.cashing in on our expense.was not that dear when we played them in the semi final.lets Hope it's worth it.

 

[pongo88]

6 minutes ago, sglosbcfc said:

I'm just doing the maths, me + 2 kids = a ****ing huge wedge.

Think of it over a time period. On average City get a very good FA Cup match every 5+ years, so a huge wedge isn’t too much per year. (That’s not much help when you have to pay now). Unfortunately it’s a case of supply and demand. City know it will be a sell out at these prices because , if regular supporters don’t want to go, there will be a lot of infrequent City supporters who do.  Maybe not fair on regulars but football is a money driven business. 

[redkev]

18 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

Think of it over a time period. On average City get a very good FA Cup match every 5+ years, so a huge wedge isn’t too much per year. (That’s not much help when you have to pay now). Unfortunately it’s a case of supply and demand. City know it will be a sell out at these prices because , if regular supporters don’t want to go, there will be a lot of infrequent City supporters who do.  Maybe not fair on regulars but football is a money driven business. 

Would be a massive own goal if we don’t sell out 

[hantsred]

A fag packet estimate at an average of £35 a ticket x 26500 (maxed out cup capacity) that's receipts of around £925K. Take out costs and then 45%per club would leave around 350-400K for us. I thought I read somewhere that TV money is more like £125k per club which means around £1/2 million take home from this round alone(or  £3/4 million if we were to get through).

A useful injection to the club's bank balance but not a game changer. 

Alex Scott playing in front of a live terrestrial audience .......now that's a game changer!

Edited February 3, 2023 by hantsred

[Davefevs]

6 minutes ago, hantsred said:

A fag packet estimate at an average of £35 a ticket x 26500 (maxed out cup capacity) that's receipts of around £925K. Take out costs and then 45%per club would leave around 350-400K for us. I thought I read somewhere that TV money is more like £125k per club which means around £1/2 million take home from this round alone(or  £3/4 million if we were to get through).

A useful injection to the club's bank balance but not a game changer. 

Alex Scott playing in front of a live terrestrial audience .......now that's a game changer!

Plus all the commercial / sponsorship stuff too, e,g. Sleeve sponsor, advertising, hospitality, etc.

[Dynamite Red]

More than double the price of what I pay for a Season ticket game. Unfortunately to expensive for me, oh well.

Edited February 3, 2023 by Dynamite Red

[Sleepy1968]

26 minutes ago, redkev said:

Would be a massive own goal if we don’t sell out 

They aren't aiming to sell out, they're aiming to maximise their income. (Look at the hospitality prices.) And sad as it is, all they're probably doing by raising prices, is cutting down on scalpers. I've absolutely nothing against non fans being charged high prices, its the people that were there against wba and/or Swansea that are now priced out are who I feel for.

[Sleepy1968]

54 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

Think of it over a time period. On average City get a very good FA Cup match every 5+ years, so a huge wedge isn’t too much per year. (That’s not much help when you have to pay now). Unfortunately it’s a case of supply and demand. City know it will be a sell out at these prices because , if regular supporters don’t want to go, there will be a lot of infrequent City supporters who do.  Maybe not fair on regulars but football is a money driven business. 

When you're losing £20m a year, you're aiming for every money grabbing opportunity that comes your way.

[Cityboy1954]

On 31/01/2023 at 14:32, Port Said Red said:

So we have earned £225k in prize money from the previous 2 rounds of the cup, a win in this round would double that, but the odds have to be against that. 

However, there is still money to be made, but how much? I would imagine that Gate receipts from a full house, hospitality etc would be approaching £750,000 assuming around £25 for around 20k adults and 7000 concessions at around £15  a ticket. An additional £120,000 in F&B, Gross should be achievable. We receive 50% of the Gate receipts but retain all the additional income.

It seems likely we will also get a live TV spot which is worth £247,500 to each team.What I am not sure of is whether we get more for any overseas sales that are likely considering our opposition and their global reach. 

I am sure there is potential for additional income from merchandise and collectables too. It seems that a gross £750,000 is a good ball park figure to expect.

A televised replay could also earn an additional £120,000 if it is televised and 50% of any gate receipts at the Etihad, would surely be greater than those from the home tie.

This could go some way to explaining why the purse strings seem to have been loosened even more than we thought today.

,

 

No Replay all on the night .

[RedM]

3 hours ago, sglosbcfc said:

I'm just doing the maths, me + 2 kids = a ****ing huge wedge.

Don't know how old your kids are but if they are young enough to qualify you might think of it like this. £50(?) for kids ST with a free shirt doesn't look so bad, offsets the price of this match for sure.

But I do understand the financial implications. It's unexpected, and unbudgeted money in these tough times. I guess people are deciding whether they can justify the outcome for an evening of entertainment/a hobby, hard to argue its an 'essential' though.

[Wealwayseatcheese]

Got to be the most expensive tickets ever?  Wow . Cardiff away with train included will be cheaper than this for me and young un. Got a choice to make as cannot do both at this price 

will end up being a happy clappers paradise 

[bcfc01]

58 minutes ago, RedM said:

Don't know how old your kids are but if they are young enough to qualify you might think of it like this. £50(?) for kids ST with a free shirt doesn't look so bad, offsets the price of this match for sure.

But I do understand the financial implications. It's unexpected, and unbudgeted money in these tough times. I guess people are deciding whether they can justify the outcome for an evening of entertainment/a hobby, hard to argue its an 'essential' though.

Exactly.

I know the cost of a ticket but I also know the value.

And, whilst I can afford it, I can't justify it.

 

[sglosbcfc]

1 hour ago, RedM said:

Don't know how old your kids are but if they are young enough to qualify you might think of it like this. £50(?) for kids ST with a free shirt doesn't look so bad, offsets the price of this match for sure.

But I do understand the financial implications. It's unexpected, and unbudgeted money in these tough times. I guess people are deciding whether they can justify the outcome for an evening of entertainment/a hobby, hard to argue its an 'essential' though.

To be fair, I can afford it and wouldn't want to miss this match. If it had been Wrexham at home I would have bought a ticket just the same. Can't really blame the club cashing in on a match v arguably the best team on the planet.

[Slack Bladder]

People dream of us reaching the Premier League, but ironically I know if we ever get there then I'll most likely be priced out of watching the team I love.

So the question is, can I afford City to be successful?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[East End Old Boy]

5 minutes ago, Slack Bladder said:

So the question is, can I afford City to be successful?

 

 

 

 

 

 

I’m sure Steve Lansdown asks himself the same question every day!

[bcfc01]

17 minutes ago, Slack Bladder said:

People dream of us reaching the Premier League, but ironically I know if we ever get there then I'll most likely be priced out of watching the team I love.

So the question is, can I afford City to be successful?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Probably no.

10 minutes ago, East End Old Boy said:

I’m sure Steve Lansdown asks himself the same question every day!

I'm sure he'll be ok.

[Port Said Red]

Two things.

1 I would like to revise my estimate of the gate income, at those prices.

2 When you remember the silly prices that some of us were offered for out tickets in the League Cup games, are these prices really that bad?

As people have pointed out on the other thread, one off game, where they only keep 45% of the income and no prospect of a replay, means the club have to maximise their income from this.

[Mattredrobin]

Terrible pricing from city, but I do get they need to maximise what they can, its £64 for me and my boy to go, But for a one off game for my son to experience the atmosphere I experienced when we played man u and man City 5 years ago will be special. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Davefevs]

For me, this is not a season ticket game, nor a tier 2 match, so comparisons with league match prices are the wrong comparison to make.  This is in effect a PL match, and priced accordingly.

And if you want the best seats is £48 that high?  Most people will pay somewhere between £30 - £44 for a match against one of the best teams in the world.

As a season ticket holder, your reward is the guarantee of a ticket.  Yeah, a few quid off would be nice, but looking at the FA Cup ticketing rules (not wholly clear), I think we’d have to offer Man City season ticket holders the same.  As it is likely that all their allocation would be season ticket holders, then that’s somewhere in the region of 17k tickets (out of 26.5k) at a discounted price, ie more discounted tickets sold than full price.  Plus we’ve not discounted season ticket prices in the previous two rounds, all we’re flat price season ticket or not.

So I think they are far from being terrible, disgraceful, whatever priced.

If we were in the PL this would be our top category priced game.

[ChippenhamRed]

4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

For me, this is not a season ticket game, nor a tier 2 match, so comparisons with league match prices are the wrong comparison to make.  This is in effect a PL match, and priced accordingly.

And if you want the best seats is £48 that high?  Most people will pay somewhere between £30 - £44 for a match against one of the best teams in the world.

As a season ticket holder, your reward is the guarantee of a ticket.  Yeah, a few quid off would be nice, but looking at the FA Cup ticketing rules (not wholly clear), I think we’d have to offer Man City season ticket holders the same.  As it is likely that all their allocation would be season ticket holders, then that’s somewhere in the region of 17k tickets (out of 26.5k) at a discounted price, ie more discounted tickets sold than full price.  Plus we’ve not discounted season ticket prices in the previous two rounds, all we’re flat price season ticket or not.

So I think they are far from being terrible, disgraceful, whatever priced.

If we were in the PL this would be our top category priced game.

Good post Dave.

Lots of season ticket holders on twitter crowing that they should have had a discount. People talk like the money they’ve paid was a charity donation. No - it gives you access to 23 matches in a seat of your choice at the best possible per-game price, a discount on food and merchandise, and a first-priority guaranteed seat for all cup games.

I don’t really buy the mentality that season ticket holders are somehow owed even more than what they are already getting.

I also don’t like the suggestion by some that anyone who isn’t a STH is a “daytripper”. Lots of lifelong supporters aren’t STH for a variety of very good reasons.

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Good post Dave.

Lots of season ticket holders on twitter crowing that they should have had a discount. People talk like the money they’ve paid was a charity donation. No - it gives you access to 23 matches in a seat of your choice at the best possible per-game price, a discount on food and merchandise, and a first-priority guaranteed seat for all cup games.

I don’t really buy the mentality that season ticket holders are somehow owed even more than what they are already getting.

I also don’t like the suggestion by some that anyone who isn’t a STH is a “daytripper”. Lots of lifelong supporters aren’t STH for a variety of very good reasons.

Ta.  A good point made elsewhere is that you can of course trade your ticket down for a cheaper priced seat if you currently have a season card in one of the more expensive areas.  That might help some.

[Hxj]

The 'net profit' (as defined by the FA) from the sale of tickets will be split 55% to Bristol City and 45% to Manchester City.    Bristol City get an extra chunk as their opponents are in the Premier League.

Nothing goes to the FA or any other organisation until the semi-finals nowadays.

All the other money earned at the ground goes straight to the home club.

Edited February 4, 2023 by Hxj

[Port Said Red]

15 minutes ago, Hxj said:

The 'net profit' (as defined by the FA) from the sale of tickets will be split 55% to Bristol City and 45% to Manchester City.    Bristol City get an extra chunk as their opponents are in the Premier League.

Nothing goes to the FA or any other organisation until the semi-finals nowadays.

All the other money earned at the ground goes straight to the home club.

I guess the price differential is to cover policing costs etc? I must admit I thought it was 45 45 10, but that's even better. The FA probably make their money on the TV side and their own marketing.

[Hxj]

7 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

The FA probably make their money on the TV side and their own marketing.

Plus a big chunk from the semi-final matches and 90% of the ticket money from the final, the balance on that match goes to the 'Pool'.

[Sleepy1968]

4 hours ago, Hxj said:

Plus a big chunk from the semi-final matches and 90% of the ticket money from the final, the balance on that match goes to the 'Pool'.

If you win the whole thing, I think your total prize money approaches £4m (£2m final, £1m semi, £500k qf etc ), so I'm not too worried about the fa keeping that much of my cup final ticket.

[Engvall’s Splinter]

5 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Good post Dave.

Lots of season ticket holders on twitter crowing that they should have had a discount. People talk like the money they’ve paid was a charity donation. No - it gives you access to 23 matches in a seat of your choice at the best possible per-game price, a discount on food and merchandise, and a first-priority guaranteed seat for all cup games.

I don’t really buy the mentality that season ticket holders are somehow owed even more than what they are already getting.

I also don’t like the suggestion by some that anyone who isn’t a STH is a “daytripper”. Lots of lifelong supporters aren’t STH for a variety of very good reasons.

Weren’t you “crowing” a matter of days ago ? Certainly read as if you felt you should get a ticket (as a member) over newer members. 

[ChippenhamRed]

17 minutes ago, Engvall’s Splinter said:

Weren’t you “crowing” a matter of days ago ? Certainly read as if you felt you should get a ticket (as a member) over newer members. 

Two different issues.

You think a long standing member thinking they deserve a ticket over someone who has just signed up for one game…is not a valid concern?