Cornick vs Weimann

[Dullmoan Tone]

Now I'm not writing anyone off after two appearances as sub after we've won, but Cornick is obviously coming on ahead of Weimann - who has shown he is very assured on the ball and a calm finisher, I know everyone misses chances, but in my opinion Cornick should have done much better late on.

But, more worringly, was I imagining it, or was Cornick really blowing by the 90th minute?

[Super]

I thought that. He obviously hasn't played much as he was blowing near the end.

 

 

 

[Bris Red]

5 minutes ago, Dullmoan Tone said:

Now I'm not writing anyone off after two appearances as sub after we've won, but Cornick is obviously coming on ahead of Weimann - who has shown he is very assured on the ball and a calm finisher, I know everyone misses chances, but in my opinion Cornick should have done much better late on.

But, more worringly, was I imagining it, or was Cornick really blowing by the 90th minute?

He did look shattered towards the end. I noticed Pearson and Fleming were yelling instructions at him towards the end to close down, you could see he was trying but his legs looked a little gone in added time.

Early days and as @Super says he doesn’t look like he has played much football of late. Hopefully he fitness will improve in the coming weeks.

[joe jordans teeth]

7 minutes ago, Dullmoan Tone said:

Now I'm not writing anyone off after two appearances as sub after we've won, but Cornick is obviously coming on ahead of Weimann - who has shown he is very assured on the ball and a calm finisher, I know everyone misses chances, but in my opinion Cornick should have done much better late on.

But, more worringly, was I imagining it, or was Cornick really blowing by the 90th minute?

Maybe but at least he hit the target,he has hardly played this season so will be blowing,get the minutes into him and he will be another solid player for us 

[mozo]

Pearson was up front in saying that Cornick is primarily an option for the central position of the three, so absolutely in competition with Wells, but not necessarily Weimann, however much they may seem similar in their skillset.

Incidentally Nige also highlighted aerial ability as one if Cornick's strengths which wasn't at all evident when he came in today (centre back was winning the header every time).

I think Cornick and Wells will be in close competition from now on.

By the way... who was skipper today?

[MC RISK77]

3 minutes ago, mozo said:

Pearson was up front in saying that Cornick is primarily an option for the central position of the three, so absolutely in competition with Wells, but not necessarily Weimann, however much they may seem similar in their skillset.

Incidentally Nige also highlighted aerial ability as one if Cornick's strengths which wasn't at all evident when he came in today (centre back was winning the header every time).

I think Cornick and Wells will be in close competition from now on.

By the way... who was skipper today?

Matty James?

[italian dave]

Just now, MC RISK77 said:

Matty James?

Yep.

[mozo]

1 minute ago, MC RISK77 said:

Matty James?

Ta, I didn't notice during the game!

[slartibartfast]

7 minutes ago, mozo said:

Pearson was up front in saying that Cornick is primarily an option for the central position of the three, so absolutely in competition with Wells, but not necessarily Weimann, however much they may seem similar in their skillset.

Incidentally Nige also highlighted aerial ability as one if Cornick's strengths which wasn't at all evident when he came in today (centre back was winning the header every time).

I think Cornick and Wells will be in close competition from now on.

By the way... who was skipper today?

He also said HC has to get a bit fitter.

[Dullmoan Tone]

8 minutes ago, mozo said:

I think Cornick and Wells will be in close competition from now on

That would be a shame imo, Wells has to be our first striker on the team sheet, for me it's no co-incidence that he (and first Conway, now Bell) have started closing down at the top - just like Bobby and Jamie did in our last successful year.

We know Weimann can also do this - I hope Cornick has something extra in his tool box?

[AppyDAZE]

God, isn't this winning nonsense a pain in the arse.

[pongo88]

I think Nigel sees Cornick as a Chris Martin type of player  but a bit smaller and a bit faster. That’s why he brought him on 

[chowie]

25 minutes ago, Dullmoan Tone said:

Now I'm not writing anyone off after two appearances as sub after we've won, but Cornick is obviously coming on ahead of Weimann - who has shown he is very assured on the ball and a calm finisher, I know everyone misses chances, but in my opinion Cornick should have done much better late on.

But, more worringly, was I imagining it, or was Cornick really blowing by the 90th minute?

A Luton friend of mine said to me when we signed him "He's not good 1v1 in front of goal situations, but will score goals from nothing'

[mozo]

3 minutes ago, chowie said:

A Luton friend of mine said to me when we signed him "He's not good 1v1 in front of goal situations, but will score goals from nothing'

There was an interview shared on here when he signed where Cornick himself said he used to have a mental block with 1v1s then overcame it. 

He fluffed it today and I thought that we might rue that missed chance. Hopefully he bags his next chance.

Edited February 11, 2023 by mozo

[cidered abroad]

2 minutes ago, chowie said:

A Luton friend of mine said to me when we signed him "He's not good 1v1 in front of goal situations, but will score goals from nothing'

I think he tried to hit the shot too hard and as a result it was in the air so keeper got to it.

A slight shuffle sideways and shoot on the ground would have given him and us a goal. Euell and possibly Wells, will help him to improve.

[Engvall’s Splinter]

35 minutes ago, Dullmoan Tone said:

Now I'm not writing anyone off after two appearances as sub after we've won, but Cornick is obviously coming on ahead of Weimann - who has shown he is very assured on the ball and a calm finisher, I know everyone misses chances, but in my opinion Cornick should have done much better late on.

But, more worringly, was I imagining it, or was Cornick really blowing by the 90th minute?

Blowing ? Did you see the amount of running he did in the time he was on? Bloke worked his socks off running from left to right. 
 

 

[nickolas]

34 minutes ago, Super said:

I thought that. He obviously hasn't played much as he was blowing near the end.

 

 

 

Pearson has already said they’ll get him fitter, so obviously they think he needs to improve! But he did look a little laboured!

[E.G.Red]

1 minute ago, nickolas said:

Pearson has already said they’ll get him fitter, so obviously they think he needs to improve! But he did look a little laboured!

Think at the moment until he's fitter it's all about getting those minutes into him. 

 

16 minutes ago, Dullmoan Tone said:

That would be a shame imo, Wells has to be our first striker on the team sheet, for me it's no co-incidence that he (and first Conway, now Bell) have started closing down at the top - just like Bobby and Jamie did in our last successful year.

We know Weimann can also do this - I hope Cornick has something extra in his tool box?

It's the work that Wells does but not necessarily scoring the goals that has helped our overall performance so I agree it would be a shame if he is dropped . I prefer him as a starter and be subbed on the hour mark rather than be the one to come on.

[Harry]

Cornick’s 1v1 today was one of those typical ones you see a helluva lot - where the striker simply has too much time and can’t make their mind up. 

He had literally every option available. 
Square pass to Mehmeti. Low to keepers left. Low to keepers right. Low through the legs. High to the left. High to the right. Draw the keeper and take it past him. 
He ended up putting it straight at him. To be fair to the keeper he stood up big but ultimately this should’ve been a goal. 
 

Just one of those with too much time and too many options. And he chose the only one which would fail. 
Give him his dues for the rest of his game today though - certainly put a shift in and a couple of lovely little flicks to put team mates through. 

[petehinton]

We won the game ffs

[Davefevs]

17 minutes ago, Harry said:

Cornick’s 1v1 today was one of those typical ones you see a helluva lot - where the striker simply has too much time and can’t make their mind up. 

He had literally every option available. 
Square pass to Mehmeti. Low to keepers left. Low to keepers right. Low through the legs. High to the left. High to the right. Draw the keeper and take it past him. 
He ended up putting it straight at him. To be fair to the keeper he stood up big but ultimately this should’ve been a goal. 
 

Just one of those with too much time and too many options. And he chose the only one which would fail. 
Give him his dues for the rest of his game today though - certainly put a shift in and a couple of lovely little flicks to put team mates through. 

And it’s not easy to come on and get up to match speed…it was a pretty high tempo game throughout.  He worked bloody hard, and that’s what we needed.  The added benefit is that Nahki got 30 mins off, so will be raring to go Wednesday, ditto Belly.  Cornick still gave Hanley a tough time.  You don’t always have to win the header, just challenge and hopefully your teammates pick up the bits.

Totally agree about having a lot of time on that chance too.

[Superjack]

In a hurry, so just scrolled the thread. 

Why should it be one 'vs' the other?

That's not what this squad is about.

[GrahamC]

24 minutes ago, petehinton said:

We won the game ffs

Yep, I’m just waiting for a certain poster to come along who says we “don’t need” Weimann any more..

[IAmNick]

Thought he looked good today when he came on. Quite a few intelligent little touches which I think players like Scott, Sykes, and Mehmeti will enjoy being around - especially as he's only just arrived so not got that awareness of the type of runs they'll make and when.

His 1v1 was really poor but he got himself in the position in the first place so I'm not going to judge him just based off that, it happens.

[Curr Avon]

58 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Yep, I’m just waiting for a certain poster to come along who says we “don’t need” Weimann any more..

Is it Doubting Thomas?

[AppyDAZE]

First game, one chance and it was saved. **** me, how is this even a talking point?

Oh, of course, Weimann has a 100 percent conversation rate.

 

 

Edited February 11, 2023 by AppyDAZE

[Jeez]

It was great to bring on 3 pacey forwards at the 60 min mark, something we’ve missed & no doubt this relentless pressure won us the game. 

Saw enough from HC today to feel confident with what he can add to the team.

[mightyreds89]

2 hours ago, Engvall’s Splinter said:

Blowing ? Did you see the amount of running he did in the time he was on? Bloke worked his socks off running from left to right. 
 

 

Is this sarcasm? as I thought he hardly moved looked lazy, didn’t close down etc. 

[BCFCGav]

He’s a shrewd signing and I personally have no doubt he’ll do well here. I’m looking forward to his first start for a proper look at him - lots of games before the season is over so he’ll have a role to play.

[mozo]

2 hours ago, petehinton said:

We won the game ffs

  Hahaha 

 

[Don't know who we're laughing at but they must be idiots...]

[Leveller]

2 hours ago, mightyreds89 said:

Is this sarcasm? as I thought he hardly moved looked lazy, didn’t close down etc. 

Go on, be honest, you had a little nap didn’t you?

[Spike]

6 hours ago, cidered abroad said:

I think he tried to hit the shot too hard and as a result it was in the air so keeper got to it.

A slight shuffle sideways and shoot on the ground would have given him and us a goal. Euell and possibly Wells, will help him to improve.

What I didn't understand is why he didn't play it across to Mehmeti who had positioned himself perfectly. Had he made that pass it would have been harder for Mehmeti to miss than score. 

[W-S-M Seagull]

When he signed Pearson said that he believes he can become a better player by becoming fitter. With the facilities we have and the staff we are able to take players like him from clubs like Luton and give them a level of fitness they've never had before. 

This is probably one of the fittest Bristol City teams I have ever seen. That's the Nigel Pearson way. 

The shot he missed? Home debut so can't really criticise the miss. 

[Son of Fred]

12 hours ago, Dullmoan Tone said:

We know Weimann can also do this - I hope Cornick has something extra in his tool box?

Nowhere near Weimann,,a long way off being in the same class -

Plenty of time for him to work on getting to the standard required & he will have to step to the plate...

Needs a full pre season with us.

Edited February 12, 2023 by Son of Fred

[LondonBristolian]

13 hours ago, Dullmoan Tone said:

Now I'm not writing anyone off after two appearances as sub after we've won, but Cornick is obviously coming on ahead of Weimann - who has shown he is very assured on the ball and a calm finisher, I know everyone misses chances, but in my opinion Cornick should have done much better late on.

But, more worringly, was I imagining it, or was Cornick really blowing by the 90th minute?

Don’t forget Weimann is coming back from injury and we have three games this week. It may be about managing Weimann’s fitness as well as Cornick’s.

Plus Weimann can play in four different positions in our current set up so I don’t see him as only being competition for one player.

[mozo]

8 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

When he signed Pearson said that he believes he can become a better player by becoming fitter. With the facilities we have and the staff we are able to take players like him from clubs like Luton and give them a level of fitness they've never had before. 

This is probably one of the fittest Bristol City teams I have ever seen. That's the Nigel Pearson way. 

The shot he missed? Home debut so can't really criticise the miss. 

I might be wrong but I thought NP said they could make Cornick 'stronger', not 'fitter'. I was under the impression that natural fitness is Cornick's strength.

[RedM]

10 hours ago, Spike said:

What I didn't understand is why he didn't play it across to Mehmeti who had positioned himself perfectly. Had he made that pass it would have been harder for Mehmeti to miss than score. 

I will forgive him this. Score on your home debut and you are an instant hit. I guess the temptation was too much for him, understandably. 

We seem to play very much a team game, they all defend and they all attack. He will soon settle and work for the team.

Just want to say i love the fast, attacking play we have had since Xmas. I have no problem with Martin and glad he is scoring elsewhere, but my God he slowed us down too much at times. Wells in particular has been a revelation when working with first Conway, now Bell and now adding Sykes in the mix it's exciting times!

 

[Fuber]

Cornick can play anywhere across the front three, is fairly quick, and from all accounts a hard worker.

All it takes is Sykes or Sykes getting a knock and he's starting. Same with Mehmeti if Bell gets a knock. You then have Weim

It's, for me, about options. Cornick may not be as clinical as Andi (who for me before his injury struggled slightly), but he's very similar to Baldock albeit not quite as fast - but then better aerially. Baldock also used to be awful at 1v1s, then got a bit of confidence and started bagging them.

Compare that with CM - one position, no versatility, lack of mobility. Add that to the way we play and a lack of depth, and it's a very straight forward signing.

[RedM]

3 hours ago, LondonBristolian said:

Don’t forget Weimann is coming back from injury and we have three games this week. It may be about managing Weimann’s fitness as well as Cornick’s.

Plus Weimann can play in four different positions in our current set up so I don’t see him as only being competition for one player.

Also he is now Captain so I would assume penciled in for regular starts when fitness allows.

[Davefevs]

34 minutes ago, mozo said:

I might be wrong but I thought NP said they could make Cornick 'stronger', not 'fitter'. I was under the impression that natural fitness is Cornick's strength.

Yep, think it was “we can improve him”…and he wasn’t talking fitness.  He has a slightly unusual running gate, but he covers the ground quickly.

[The Bard]

18 hours ago, mozo said:

Pearson was up front in saying that Cornick is primarily an option for the central position of the three, so absolutely in competition with Wells, but not necessarily Weimann, however much they may seem similar in their skillset.

Incidentally Nige also highlighted aerial ability as one if Cornick's strengths which wasn't at all evident when he came in today (centre back was winning the header every time).

I think Cornick and Wells will be in close competition from now on.

By the way... who was skipper today?

It isn't always about winning the ball in the air.  I thought he made an impact on their 2 CBs.  They had been used to Wells running in behind and Cornick went up against them physically.  This meant that we subsequently pressed better than before as they weren't able to clear their lines.   Pure guesswork on my part,  but his role could be to be primary nuisance with the likes of Weimann, Scott, Sykes, Bell pressing off the back of that.  He's not going to be a goal machine though.  Hopefully our finishing drills will result in him getting better.  It wasn't a great finish to that chance yesterday

Edited February 12, 2023 by The Bard
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[Davefevs]

5 minutes ago, The Bard said:

It isn't always about winning the ball in the air.  I thought he made an impact on their 2 CBs.  They had been used to Wells running in behind and Cornick went up against them physically.  This meant that we subsequently pressed better than before as they weren't able to clear their lines.   Pure guesswork on my part,  but his role could be to be primary nuisance with the likes of Weimann, Scott, Sykes, Bell pressing off the back of that.  He's not going to be a goal machine though.  Hopefully are finishing drills will result in him getting better.  It wasn't a great finish to that chance yesterday

Really good point.  We saw last week how we allowed PNE CBs to ping unpressured diags.  Cornick can disrupt that.