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1 hour ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

Nothing on the news headlines to suggest trouble in Napoli so I hope that means everyone got back to base without too many problems.

Paid for the wrong train to take him back to Rome this morning so had to fork out another £50, main thing is though is that he survived Naples despite it’s reputation 

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26 minutes ago, harrys said:

Paid for the wrong train to take him back to Rome this morning so had to fork out another £50, main thing is though is that he survived Naples despite it’s reputation 

Where did that saying see Naples and die come from? I'm assuming it's nothing to do with football fans.

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44 minutes ago, harrys said:

Paid for the wrong train to take him back to Rome this morning so had to fork out another £50, main thing is though is that he survived Naples despite it’s reputation 

Good to hear he got out ok, as some pilots used to say, any landing you can walk away from is a good one.

£50 for a train fare though? I thought Italian trains were supposed to be cheap.

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1 hour ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

Good to hear he got out ok, as some pilots used to say, any landing you can walk away from is a good one.

£50 for a train fare though? I thought Italian trains were supposed to be cheap.

 

That is cheap compared to English fares. 

It's a more than two-hour journey. 

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1 hour ago, pillred said:

Where did that saying see Naples and die come from? I'm assuming it's nothing to do with football fans.

It came from a poet travelling in the 18th Century. Who on seeing Naples back then, wrote the expression...meaning you will die from its beauty. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

That is cheap compared to English fares. 

It's a more than two-hour journey. 

You can still get tickets every day from Naples to Rome by train for 12euro. In the middle of the afternoon. The fast trains that take an hour are more expensive. 

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5 minutes ago, spudski said:

You can still get tickets every day from Naples to Rome by train for 12euro. In the middle of the afternoon. The fast trains that take an hour are more expensive. 

 

Certainly some bargains to be had on the Italian railways. They wanted to charge me £129 to get to Manchester for 1pm on Monday.  I'm driving. 

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5 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Certainly some bargains to be had on the Italian railways. They wanted to charge me £129 to get to Manchester for 1pm on Monday.  I'm driving. 

I've found them fantastic. Always on time, clean, plenty of them, and cheap if you book in advance or are willing to take the slower ones. 

Our system is a disgrace.

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3 hours ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

Good to hear he got out ok, as some pilots used to say, any landing you can walk away from is a good one.

£50 for a train fare though? I thought Italian trains were supposed to be cheap.

I always thought that and it certainly was when I went to Northern Italy a few years ago but I booked all my train travel in advance 

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19 minutes ago, harrys said:

I always thought that and it certainly was when I went to Northern Italy a few years ago but I booked all my train travel in advance 

They are, and they aren't. We went from Milan to Como and back then Milan to Venice . Apart from getting thrown out of first Class (hard to tell) , we found out there are many different Rail Companies. We managed to get a cheap ticket , but then got on the wrong train (different company), the difference in prices was huge. The Woman conductor was brilliant, she pointed to a Train passing and said , "that was the one you were supposed to be on". Then followed up by saying, "I didn't see you" and smiled. 

We got where we wanted at a decent price, but the machines aren't straight forward and prices varied a hell of a lot. 
Just checked on Trainline, that journey can cost £200 or under £20, I think booking in advance is the best way. 

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4 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Certainly some bargains to be had on the Italian railways. They wanted to charge me £129 to get to Manchester for 1pm on Monday.  I'm driving. 

Someone has to pay for the 14% pay rise just been given to staff , mark my words them and the tube drivers will be striking again within 18 months about something else , if there was a league for strikers those two would be top of the premier , do my head in 

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16 minutes ago, redkev said:

Someone has to pay for the 14% pay rise just been given to staff , mark my words them and the tube drivers will be striking again within 18 months about something else , if there was a league for strikers those two would be top of the premier , do my head in 

Not really, the rail prices have gone up every single year as far as I can remember and the service has got shitter.

You could easily say, they should have no problem giving a decent pay rise after all the increases every year. Give it 12 months they will rise them again

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2 hours ago, redkev said:

Someone has to pay for the 14% pay rise just been given to staff , mark my words them and the tube drivers will be striking again within 18 months about something else , if there was a league for strikers those two would be top of the premier , do my head in 

I’m afraid it’s not the fault of the workers for our ridiculously high prices it’s the fault of  our greedy foreign owned owners, something else to be thankful to Maggie for

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1 minute ago, Northern Red said:

Good to see it seems to have passed off largely peacefully, despite the best efforts of that ******** from Burnley to land the rest of the travelling England fans in a whole lot of bother.

What a complete lunatic, hope he gets banned from every ground for the next 25 years 

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1 hour ago, Club and Country said:

When you listen to the 'golden generation' in interviews now they weren't have a jumped up, entitled group 

give me the current team any day of the week 

Heard it from the likes of Gary Neville many a time - they'd rather be with their club and not socialising with their rivals. Yet these same Man Utd players thought they were mistreated by England. Entitled primadonnas, the lot of them

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19 hours ago, MarcusX said:

Not really, the rail prices have gone up every single year as far as I can remember and the service has got shitter.

You could easily say, they should have no problem giving a decent pay rise after all the increases every year. Give it 12 months they will rise them again

My issue is the train drivers are earning decent money yet in a time of hardship others have had to suffer for them line there own pockets even more that’s why I have little support for them 

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13 minutes ago, redkev said:

My issue is the train drivers are earning decent money yet in a time of hardship others have had to suffer for them line there own pockets even more that’s why I have little support for them 

It wasn’t actually really the train drivers on strike. The government and right wing press pushed that narrative because they were hoping there would be a lack of support from the public. The vast majority of those striking were support staff, for example cleaners, who are very poorly paid.

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43 minutes ago, redkev said:

My issue is the train drivers are earning decent money yet in a time of hardship others have had to suffer for them line there own pockets even more that’s why I have little support for them 

As @HappyClappersays, not really all about them or payrise, but support of their fellow workers over changes to terms and conditions , dropping in standards, move to driverless trains, etc.

As someone who got shafted by their company over a change to my t&c’s re my final salary pension (which became a something significantly different to what my final salary would be), I fully support them.  My changes cost me circa £250k-350k in my pension pot.  I could’ve course given up 10%-15% of my salary in additional contributions to make up the deficit - how kind of them!  And if you didn’t sign the new terms, you couldn’t get a payrise.  I decided to leave.

@Clevedon Red was one of the “lucky” ones as he being sooooooooooo much older than me ??? wasn’t as far away from his pension age, so lost less, but he still lost out.  And the bastards used his photo on all the brochures and intranet pages, until he realised and told them to remove them.  That was quite funny though!!!

Solidarity to all people being shafted.

 

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2 hours ago, HappyClapper said:

It wasn’t actually really the train drivers on strike. The government and right wing press pushed that narrative because they were hoping there would be a lack of support from the public. The vast majority of those striking were support staff, for example cleaners, who are very poorly paid.

I bet the train drivers did get a pay rise though , totally understand the the support staff looking for a pay rise but like I said the drivers are on decent money . 

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19 hours ago, Northern Red said:

Good to see it seems to have passed off largely peacefully, despite the best efforts of that ******** from Burnley to land the rest of the travelling England fans in a whole lot of bother.

Totally agree I bet a few England fans were very sceptical about going and a little nervous about what awaited them .Then this idiotic poke the bees nest , the problem with anything like this is it’s usually the innocent who Kop the wrath of the offended

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