Open End Numb Legs Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 I think it is only natural for people to ask what it is about and if it is not answered they get a bit edgy about it. Some people don't like surprises. Sure it is all very well intended and will go off fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 19, 2023 Admin Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 43 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said: I think it is only natural for people to ask what it is about and if it is not answered they get a bit edgy about it. Some people don't like surprises. Sure it is all very well intended and will go off fine. FOMO This is not aimed at you OENL just using your post as it was the most recent In the ever expanding world of access, people seem to think they've got some right to know everything When the club used to put card on our seats for red and white night I don't remember the urge for people to know what the design would be 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, phantom said: FOMO This is not aimed at you OENL just using your post as it was the most recent In the ever expanding world of access, people seem to think they've got some right to know everything When the club used to put card on our seats for red and white night I don't remember the urge for people to know what the design would be "Hey can you please hold up this for me?" "Sure, what is it?" "Wow stop being so unreasonable and negative, why do you think you've got a right to know everything?" For the record I'm supportive of things like this and hope it goes well! Edited August 19, 2023 by IAmNick 8 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziderarmy Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 12 hours ago, Harry said: I’m not part of S82 any more but was a founder member. It’s odd to see people get so worked up about a card display. We only ever organised 1 card display before, to my knowledge. It was for when Gerry Gow sadly passed away. See below. It took me ages to coordinate the right colours for the right seats to ensure it looked anywhere near decent. And then an hour or so for 20 odd people to set it up. And the key to all of it was that everyone participated. Hopefully those complaining about not knowing what it is will ease up and just get on with it. It’s not going to be anything controversial like Celtic talking about Palestine or something! I’m sure whatever it is, is completely innocent and supportive. I honestly don’t understand why there is such negativity toward this. I’ll be up in the family stand with a great view and I hope it all goes well and enough people participate to not make it look like an embarrassment. If it fails and looks embarrassing because hardly anyone participates, I’d imagine the same people complaining on here will be back here saying “what a load of crap”. Lighten up, get involved, and make it a success. @Harry How come you’ve stepped away from it if you don’t mind me asking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedontplayinblue Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 shows what type of country we are becoming, when people are concerned about holding some card for a display at football. No wonder the country is falling apart. 7 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 35 minutes ago, Ziderarmy said: @Harry How come you’ve stepped away from it if you don’t mind me asking? It was because they planned a cruel trick where they were going to put cards on seats that when held up said, "We love Splat Robin". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 1 hour ago, phantom said: FOMO This is not aimed at you OENL just using your post as it was the most recent In the ever expanding world of access, people seem to think they've got some right to know everything When the club used to put card on our seats for red and white night I don't remember the urge for people to know what the design would be Would you sign a petition if I put one in front of you and asked you to but wouldn’t tell you what it said? In some instances, people do have a right to know! Or at least a right to know before they participate in something. The red and white night (and the Gow one mentioned above) were different simply because in those cases people did know. Is it just a “design”? In which case, why not say so? I don’t think anyone’s demanding to see the detail of the design, just to know that’s all it is. As opposed to something that carries a message. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Wedontplayinblue said: shows what type of country we are becoming, when people are concerned about holding some card for a display at football. No wonder the country is falling apart. And you’d be happy if it turned out that display spelt out “Pearson Out”?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedontplayinblue Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 23 minutes ago, italian dave said: And you’d be happy if it turned out that display spelt out “Pearson Out”?? Yes, as that’s massively likely for the lads to be doing isn’t it. Jesus wept, just gets better and better on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colombo Robin Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 (edited) Find it odd that if you ask people to be part of a message/image it's deemed unreasonable for those participants to ask what the message exactly is beforehand. Seems pretty basic stuff to me. Im intrigued to know what it is now and why it had to be kept so secret. Hope it goes well nonetheless Edited August 19, 2023 by Colombo Robin 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 Just now, Colombo Robin said: Find it odd that if you ask people to be part of a message/image it's deemed unreasonable for those participants to ask what the message exactly is beforehand. Seems pretty basic stuff to me. Pretty sure it will limit participation, even though I'm sure the message will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colombo Robin Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Bristol Rob said: Pretty sure it will limit participation, even though I'm sure the message will be fine. See thats where it gets a bit odd. That the organisers are worried people would opt out if they knew what it was beforehand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedontplayinblue Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, Colombo Robin said: See thats where it gets a bit odd. That the organisers are worried people would opt out if they knew what it was beforehand. No they haven’t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 19 hours ago, Sleepy1968 said: I liked the old days, when all that happened at 14:59 was that some giant geezer came and stood in front of you. Always used to happen to me, why was it they always stood in front of a short person and not further back? Just to annoy you I suppose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winsaw Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 I hope it works but based on previous with things as simple of a surfer flag things could go wrong :laugh:, this has the Extra jepody of some will not want to do it as don't know what it's about plus those who will think it funny to not hold a card up and leave a gap, fair play to the s82 lads for making the effort and I hope it comes off for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 There is no "message" depicted within the card display. The cards are red, or white. Hope that allays any fears 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 18 hours ago, James said: Apologies if that's how it's come across, as certainly not been the intent. I understand the logic behind the point you seem to be trying to push, however to be honest I'd interpreted the questions of 'what is it' etc to be more of an inquisitive/interested nature, rather than an "i'm not doing it unless I know all the details" one. And as I said earlier I/we are not being deliberately ambiguous or 'superior' in not giving a detailed description of what we hope to be an effective display. We just also don't want to detract from the (intended) effect. So I'm not sure it's as an unreasonable position to take, as you seem to be making it out to be... The alternative I suppose is that we offer no indication that there is anything planned and rely on some 2000+ people noticing a piece of Red/White card next to their seat, and knowing what and when to do with it. I'm not aware of a 'divisive' or controversial display which has ever been organised by us, which has caused those who partake in making it a success to feel that they have been manipulated in to presenting something not reflective of their own views etc (we do have a fairly obvious common purpose, after all. Don't we?) We can ask, as we have done, for people to help make it a success. However It is of course everyone's own prerogative, as to whether they choose to do so or not. And fingers crossed the majority opt for the former As someone who has a season ticket in the standing section near you I think you all do a brilliant job. Also it’s good to reiterate that Section 82 is a small group of lads who organise these displays and inevitably create and start a lot of the singing. Section 82 is not the standing section of the ground; which it often gets referred to as. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 32 minutes ago, James said: There is no "message" depicted within the card display. The cards are red, or white. Hope that allays any fears If it is just red and white cards, why the evasive approach? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Club and Country Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 it's no doubt a simple display designed to add something abit different to Ashton gate for once, no different to what a lot of teams do nowadays anyway as said before, I really hope it works for you as Ashton gate needs more of this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 A tribute to Chris Garland or Trevor Francis? Or a giant FTG! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 18 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: If it is just red and white cards, why the evasive approach? Nothing evasive. Just didn't see it necessary to post a step by step breakdown/diagram, as I explained yesterday (and the reasons why). Part of the desired effect is having an element of intrigue. It shouldn't take a genius to work that out... Anyway, hopefully it goes down well, and the lads on the pitch give us something to cheer about too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transfer reader Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 No one has asked for a diagram, just what the display will be. Not at all unreasonable But keeping things secret from them- particularly when they are the ones who won't see it at all is going to be You say you aren't being deliberately ambiguous but that is precisely what you are being 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colombo Robin Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 29 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: If it is just red and white cards, why the evasive approach? Just a harmless red and white swastika 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Wedontplayinblue said: Yes, as that’s massively likely for the lads to be doing isn’t it. Jesus wept, just gets better and better on here. I don’t for a minute think that’s likely: I’m just using an extreme example to make the point. I just find it quite bizarre that you’d take part in some public display of support for something without having a clue what it is! The post from @James above confirming no message is really helpful. For the record, I love these sort of displays and I really appreciate the time and effort of those who organise them. I even love ones that carry messages, even controversial ones. I just think it’s about knowing what you’re doing, and I don’t think it’s unreasonable for people to ask that. Hope it goes well today. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Club and Country Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, transfer reader said: No one has asked for a diagram, just what the display will be. Not at all unreasonable But keeping things secret from them- particularly when they are the ones who won't see it at all is going to be You say you aren't being deliberately ambiguous but that is precisely what you are being So when you see the Milan clubs, Roma etc doing there displays, do you honestly think anyone other then a select few know what they are about!? There extreme examples, but it really isn't that deep , no wonder a lot doesn't get done atmosphere wise round the ground Edited August 19, 2023 by Club and Country 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transfer reader Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 Just now, Club and Country said: So when you see the Milan clubs, Roma etc doing there displays, do you honestly think anyone other then a select few know what they are about!? There extreme examples, but it really isn't that deep I'd suggest that more than 30 odd do and that as their displays happen with considerably more regularity most fans have a good idea of what they'll be part of 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, transfer reader said: No one has asked for a diagram, just what the display will be. Not at all unreasonable But keeping things secret from them- particularly when they are the ones who won't see it at all is going to be You say you aren't being deliberately ambiguous but that is precisely what you are being One of the first questions on this thread, was to ask what it was. One of my first replies was that it was positive and supportive. So short of a diagram/exact explanation of what, where and why, i'm not sure what else you were hoping for? Edited August 19, 2023 by James 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 My word this country. Get me out. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transfer reader Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, James said: One of the first questions on this thread, was to ask what it was. One of my first replies was that it was positive and supportive. So short of a diagram/exact explanation of what, where and why I'm not sure what you were you hoping for? And yet your first reply was "not x and not y", deliberately being vague and ambiguous, while claiming not to be You could have simply said what the message is. Hardly a big deal (none of this is, but again people simply asking what it is seems to have caused upset to some when it's a completely reasonable question) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transfer reader Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Club and Country said: So when you see the Milan clubs, Roma etc doing there displays, do you honestly think anyone other then a select few know what they are about!? There extreme examples, but it really isn't that deep , no wonder a lot doesn't get done atmosphere wise round the ground Again, no one has objected or even pushed back against it. No one is trying to stop it happen If a simple question of what they're going to be part of is such an obstacle then youre right it is no wonder nothing gets done, because the people apparently organising it dont want to cooperate with the people they're asking to join in with it If the question "what am I going to be part of" is something that's going to disrupt creating an atmosphere for you then I'd suggest you're really not bothered about the atmosphere and it's more about your clique and wanting people to follow along blindly Edited August 19, 2023 by transfer reader 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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