International Rugby

[Rob k]

7 hours ago, Ziderarmy said:

Anyone else feel Sinkler cost us sadly? 

Probably Farrell with his mouth 

[MichaelRobartes]

9 hours ago, Ziderarmy said:

Anyone else feel Sinkler cost us sadly? 

Think that's a bit harsh. Ox has dominated better tightheads than him. Look at what he did to Furlong in the pool match.

[Super]

If Bongi has called Curry a white **** then he should miss the final.

[TonyTonyTony]

1 hour ago, Super said:

If Bongi has called Curry a white **** then he should miss the final.

Very significant, as he is their only specialist hooker in the squad.

What i find interesting, is when Curry asked the referee what "to do" after the alleged insult, the reply was "nothing". Are there no protocols in place for onfield racism? Not that long ago Joe Marler called a Welsh player a gypsy, or something similar. He was retro-spectively banned, so im surprised there are no rules for in play punishment

[Northern Red]

6 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Very significant, as he is their only specialist hooker in the squad.

What i find interesting, is when Curry asked the referee what "to do" after the alleged insult, the reply was "nothing". Are there no protocols in place for onfield racism? Not that long ago Joe Marler called a Welsh player a gypsy, or something similar. He was retro-spectively banned, so im surprised there are no rules for in play punishment

The issue is that if the ref didn't hear it himself and none of the other officials did either then there's not a lot they can do until after the game. Apparently it's up to England if they wish to pursue it further.

[MichaelRobartes]

40 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Very significant, as he is their only specialist hooker in the squad.

What i find interesting, is when Curry asked the referee what "to do" after the alleged insult, the reply was "nothing". Are there no protocols in place for onfield racism? Not that long ago Joe Marler called a Welsh player a gypsy, or something similar. He was retro-spectively banned, so im surprised there are no rules for in play punishment

If the alleged comment was made and one of the officials had heard it, I'm positive that action would have been taken on the pitch. If the officials don't hear it, they can't do much other than include the complaint in their match report. The law on this (9.12) is pretty wide ranging:

A player must not physically or verbally abuse anyone. Physical abuse includes, but is not limited to, biting, punching, contact with the eye or eye area, striking with any part of the arm, shoulder, head or knee(s), stamping, trampling, tripping or kicking.

To be fair to O'Keefe, I'm certain he meant that Curry shouldn't do anything about it at the time (as in retaliate). As Curry reported it to the ref, it would have been included in his match report which can set a review in motion, as it has done in this case (taken from The Guardian) :

Curry can clearly be heard on a recording via O’Keeffe’s microphone making the allegation of a racist slur to the official in the 28th minute of the match. He said: “Sir, sir, if their hooker calls me a white *** what do I do?” The New Zealander responded by saying: “Nothing please.” He goes on to add, after a short pause: “I’ll be on it,” though it is unclear if he is referring to the specific incident.

If Bongi made that comment and it's been picked up somewhere, he's in deep shit.

Edited October 23, 2023 by MichaelRobartes

[TonyTonyTony]

22 minutes ago, MichaelRobartes said:

If the alleged comment was made and one of the officials had heard it, I'm positive that action would have been taken on the pitch. If the officials don't hear it, they can't do much other than include the complaint in their match report. The law on this (9.12) is pretty wide ranging:

A player must not physically or verbally abuse anyone. Physical abuse includes, but is not limited to, biting, punching, contact with the eye or eye area, striking with any part of the arm, shoulder, head or knee(s), stamping, trampling, tripping or kicking.

To be fair to O'Keefe, I'm certain he meant that Curry shouldn't do anything about it at the time (as in retaliate). As Curry reported it to the ref, it would have been included in his match report which can set a review in motion, as it has done in this case (taken from The Guardian) :

Curry can clearly be heard on a recording via O’Keeffe’s microphone making the allegation of a racist slur to the official in the 28th minute of the match. He said: “Sir, sir, if their hooker calls me a white *** what do I do?” The New Zealander responded by saying: “Nothing please.” He goes on to add, after a short pause: “I’ll be on it,” though it is unclear if he is referring to the specific incident.

If Bongi made that comment and it's been picked up somewhere, he's in deep shit.

Thanks for that. I wonder what the punishment would have been, if the Ref had heard ?

[MichaelRobartes]

33 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Thanks for that. I wonder what the punishment would have been, if the Ref had heard ?

I think if a ref hears discriminatory language and they're in absolutely no doubt of what was said, it should be a red card and then any ban would be for a citing committee to determine. I know Marler eventually got two weeks for abusing Samson Lee but I can't think of any other examples where someone was banned off the top of my head.

The problem is probably that a lot of things are said, you sometimes hear the c-word over the ref mic and the ref would have to be absolutely sure of what the player said and possibly also how it was meant. That's tough when they have a million other things to look out for and unless something is said right next to them, they don't have much chance.

[TonyTonyTony]

There is a story going around on social media, that Mbonambi was telling Curry to stay on the white side, presumably meaning white shirt side during a scrum etc. In Afrikaans white side is "Wit Kant". With a south african accent, and the noise of the crowd that could certainly be heard as something else

[Northern Red]

 

[Northern Red]

Wayne Barnes to ref the final.

[MichaelRobartes]

21 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Wayne Barnes to ref the final.

No idea who Luke Pearce has upset. The best ref around at the moment in my opinion and didn't even get a KO game. 

[Ziderarmy]

3 hours ago, Northern Red said:

Wayne Barnes to ref the final.

Oh god. The bloke loves himself.

[RedorDead BCFC]

He’s from Bream in the forest. No wonder he hates Wales 

[Rob k]

Am i going mad or was that a clear forward pass?

[Northern Red]

2 minutes ago, Rob k said:

Am i going mad or was that a clear forward pass?

I thought so.

[Kid in the Riot]

10 minutes ago, Rob k said:

Am i going mad or was that a clear forward pass?

No

[Rob k]

Just now, Kid in the Riot said:

No

- I’ve just seen it again!! God knows how it’s not been penalised 

[Kid in the Riot]

2 minutes ago, Rob k said:

- I’ve just seen it again!! God knows how it’s not been penalised 

Cus world rugby hates Farrell and Eng mate simple!

[MichaelRobartes]

Looked forward to me alright. I'm sure the old law was that the TMO couldn't go back more than three phases when reviewing a try so that might explain it.

[Ziderarmy]

Massive forward pass for the first argie try. 

Ref is crap. Didn’t see that obvious foot first then from Care. Shouldn’t need the video ref to spell that out. 
 

Embarrassing 

 

[Midred]

Anyone else noticed, when we're passing along the line Argentina move forward cutting off our advance. When they're passing along the line we back off and give them space!

[Ziderarmy]

How’s that not a elbow? 

[Northern Red]

Ref had no idea what was going on towards the end, basically reacting to what the players were telling him.

[Rob k]

5 minutes ago, Ziderarmy said:

How’s that not an elbow? 

Because it was against an England player so it’s fair game….

[Midred]

Love the ref. He stops the clock every time the Argentinians' are in his ear then he wants to hurry the players up!

[Rob k]

Just now, Northern Red said:

Ref had no idea what was going on towards the end, basically reacting to what the players were telling him.

I’m not go to pretend i know anywhere near as much about Rugby as some of the posters on this thread but that ref had no idea what he was doing come the end 

[Midred]

1 minute ago, Northern Red said:

Ref had no idea what was going on towards the end, basically reacting to what the players were telling him.

He didn't want to see what was happening on the other side of the scrum!

[Markthehorn]

Well done to England .

Creditable 3rd place 

[Kid in the Riot]

1 minute ago, Markthehorn said:

Well done to England .

Creditable 3rd place 

Done OK, but other than beating Argentina twice....? Faced no-one really. Better than expected and deserve huge credit for the SA performance but it's not like England were the third best team in this tournament. Plenty of work to do for them going fwd.