Three Lions Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 Reffing this week. I wouldn't give a card there. I dont see a foul its a good tackle. Nothing malicious. Nothing reckless. No excess force. Zero intent except to win the ball clean. The lad lifts his leg over the ball to hook it back with nil force and momentum. First red card of the lads career for that is disgrace and an embarrassment to refereeing. There was no clear and obvious error for VAR to get all over it instead of using VAR like a kill joy school teacher looking all over anything for a % of % infraction of rule a.1 like Mr Bronson off grange hill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 I dreamt last night that we had a goal disallowed v West Ham for offside but then VAR intervened and the goal stood. So VAR isn’t all bad (although I still don’t like it!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 17 hours ago, Markthehorn said: Or certainly put under pressure to do so /feel they are . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 11 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said: I think people are overlooking the or in the law. Without having the audio available I can only guess. But it's pretty simple isn't it? The VAR obviously considered it to be a red offence where as in real time the ref didn't. So that's where the clear and obvious error has occurred. If a ref has missed a red card offence, then thats a clear and obvious error isn't it? What's nonsense is that I provided a video which shows the process but still you won't believe that's the process. I think they need to start sharing the audio, because at the minute it's really frustrating for players and fans alike. I've always said the best refs I've played with have been the ones who just give a little explanation - they don't have to commentate every single time, but a little reasoning on the key decisions can go a long way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 3 hours ago, Three Lions said: Reffing this week. I wouldn't give a card there. I dont see a foul its a good tackle. Nothing malicious. Nothing reckless. No excess force. Zero intent except to win the ball clean. The lad lifts his leg over the ball to hook it back with nil force and momentum. First red card of the lads career for that is disgrace and an embarrassment to refereeing. There was no clear and obvious error for VAR to get all over it instead of using VAR like a kill joy school teacher looking all over anything for a % of % infraction of rule a.1 like Mr Bronson off grange hill. And this is why I don't particularly like VAR, because what you've said here is a completely valid view of that particular challenge (although as I said before I could argue a case with the laws of the game) It's too subjective, and you rarely find agreement on many decisions so extending it from 1 (or 3) onfield referees to another 2-3 in the VAR room doesn't really help on these calls. Also VAR don't have the benefit of the temprement of the game, the ref will have an idea of how the games going, is it boiling over, has a player lost their head etc. They can all influence decisions especially on red card challenges. Technology works for more objective decisions, e.g. like it or not but offside is a factual call. Ball going over the goal line also. Red cards, hand balls and penalites are less matter of fact - I'd like to see VAR reign it in a bit, more clear cut errors and things the ref has missed and anything that can't be determined in a couple of replays is left at the onfield ref's discretion (unless he'd ike another view of something) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kit Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 Calvert-Lewins red has been successfully overturned. So it wasn't a clear and abvious error then... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, kit said: Calvert-Lewins red has been successfully overturned. So it wasn't a clear and abvious error then... Obviously was the wrong decision. Amazed a few thought it was a red. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Super said: Obviously was the wrong decision. Amazed a few thought it was a red. Not the first time this has happened either . Who decided it wasn’t a red ? Other refs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 (edited) So let's get this right .. VAR tells the ref he made a mistake not to give a red card for seriousfoul play, so he looks at it pitchside (many, many, times) then agreeds he made an error so changes his decision to red card. Then it's appealed and overturned, the FA now saying the ref made a mistake in sending the player off, despite not giving a red card initially and being correct in the first place. VAR is a shambles, officiating is at rock bottom. Edited January 9 by WolfOfWestStreet 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 Was certainly interested to see if it was overturned as I could see both sides of the argument. Bit surprised to be honest but I don’t really want that to be red 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 Just now, WolfOfWestStreet said: So let's get this right .. VAR tells the ref he made a mistake not to give a red card for seriousfoul play, so he looks at it pitchside (many, many, times) then agreeds he made an error so changes his decision to red card. Then it's appealed and overturned, the ref having made a mistake in sending the player off, despite not giving a red card and being correct in the first place. VAR is a shambles, officiating is at rock bottom. Completely agree. Get 3 random fans to manage VAR and I can’t see how they’d do a worse job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 44 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Was certainly interested to see if it was overturned as I could see both sides of the argument. Bit surprised to be honest but I don’t really want that to be red Not sure what the other side was. It was a disgraceful decision and never a red card. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 46 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Completely agree. Get 3 random fans to manage VAR and I can’t see how they’d do a worse job Wonder why the ref changed his mind which was the main issue ? They don’t have to agree with the VAR .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, Super said: Not sure what the other side was. It was a disgraceful decision and never a red card. The other side has been discussed on this forum. You were involved in the debate I think 1 minute ago, Markthehorn said: Wonder why the ref changed his mind which was the main issue ? They don’t have to agree with the VAR .. They always do though. Bizarrely 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 6 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: The other side has been discussed on this forum. You were involved in the debate I think They always do though. Bizarrely Because they are under pressure to agree with them. Shame for the ref because he was right with his original decision. Have the balls to stick to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 Another nonsense VAR decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3_RED Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 VAR Ruining football, one game at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DolmanGaz Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 (edited) I genuinely don't understand that at all. baffled Edited January 14 by DolmanGaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DolmanGaz Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 were they saying that a villa player was offside as the assist was played, and he then blocked Pickford's view? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, Super said: Another nonsense VAR decision. No they got it right He was off side Should not take 3min 40 secs to get to the decision though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 (edited) I doubt it will be scrapped in France because one team wants it to be but if others join in might put pressure on the authorities there and across the world? https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/var-ligue-1-brest-monaco-486347-20240118 And in Portugal conversations wlll be heard .. In real time ? Edited January 18 by Markthehorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 On 14/01/2024 at 15:38, Maltshoveller said: No they got it right He was off side Should not take 3min 40 secs to get to the decision though Apparently they were trying to look for a foul first or something but as you say the offside was quite obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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