Malago Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 Forest 5-0 down at Fulham. Imagine he’ll be clearing his desk before coffee time tomorrow morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 The Iain Dowie of football management. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 1 minute ago, nickolas said: The Iain Dowie of football management. Well. Iain Dowie was the Iain Dowie of football management. Palace want Cooper. I’d imagine he’ll leave Forest and walk straight into Palace. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) Talk of West Ham too. Nottingham Forest fans in the away end- either vastly pro him or a thank you and farewell. Edited December 6, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Talk of West Ham too. Nottingham Forest fans in the away end- either vastly pro him or a farewell. The fans probably saved him last time this sort of situation cropped up but might not be enough this time . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 Taking them from relegation zone championship to prem promotion in the same season, then keeping them up in the prem the following? Can’t see it one bit. He’s in so much credit. Still got a decent buffer to the relegation zone too. They’d be mad to sack him. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 8 minutes ago, petehinton said: Taking them from relegation zone championship to prem promotion in the same season, then keeping them up in the prem the following? Can’t see it one bit. He’s in so much credit. Still got a decent buffer to the relegation zone too. They’d be mad to sack him. Popular with the fans, done a good job, it would be as mad as when Birmingham sacked Eustace or Sunderland sacked Mowbray. There’s another example….. struggling to think who 18 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 49 minutes ago, Markthehorn said: The fans probably saved him last time this sort of situation cropped up but might not be enough this time . According to this, it may not.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12834745/Nottingham-Forest-SACK-Steve-Cooper-defeat-Fulham-Julen-Lopetegui-Marco-Silva.html I wonder if this is real too! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) Is Cooper that good or does he fail upwards to a degree? The article below certainly thinks he is impressive. Linked with Crystal Palace and even more so West Ham. https://theathletic.com/5096044/2023/11/30/steve-cooper-future-forest/ I'm not saying he is poor, just saying does he rise higher and faster than perhaps he fully merits. Edited December 7, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Talk of West Ham too. Nottingham Forest fans in the away end- either vastly pro him or a thank you and farewell. Almost as loyal as the sags ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: According to this, it may not.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12834745/Nottingham-Forest-SACK-Steve-Cooper-defeat-Fulham-Julen-Lopetegui-Marco-Silva.html I wonder if this is real too! Do worse than NP short term ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 10 hours ago, slartibartfast said: Do worse than NP short term ? They could agreed. Possibly will. He's actually from Nottingham originally, but didn't play for either side AFAIK. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gol Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 12 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Is Cooper that good or does he fail upwards to a degree? The article below certainly thinks he is impressive. Linked with Crystal Palace and even more so West Ham. https://theathletic.com/5096044/2023/11/30/steve-cooper-future-forest/ I'm not saying he is poor, just saying does he rise higher and faster than perhaps he fully merits. not at all. Did well at England Youth set ups, winning a world cup, got an unfancied Swansea side to the play offs twice (they have not been there since), then took Forest from relegation places to promotion in 2/3s of season then kept Forest up in their first season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Gol said: not at all. Did well at England Youth set ups, winning a world cup, got an unfancied Swansea side to the play offs twice (they have not been there since), then took Forest from relegation places to promotion in 2/3s of season then kept Forest up in their first season. Maybe failing upwards isn't the right term but cannot help but shake the feeling that he is a little overrated. Had forgotten about the England stuff yeah. A Parachute bolstered Swansea, albeit he was cutting the budget as be went. An excellent in flying form Brennan Johnson. I wonder whenever Nottingham Forest might have broken FFP that year btw. Huddersfield were also denied a clear penalty or 2 in the play-off final if memory serves. Johnson got 16 goals and 10 assists that season, stellar- just checked. He is their most successful manager in a generation without a doubt, even saw some journos compare him in Nottingham Forest terms to Clough. He took them up without Parachute Payments, another tick in the box. £ for £ Thomas Frank is perhaps superior in some respects. Edited December 7, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gol Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 16 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Maybe failing upwards isn't the right term but cannot help but shake the feeling that he is a little overrated. Had forgotten about the England stuff yeah. A Parachute bolstered Swansea, albeit he was cutting the budget as be went. An excellent in flying form Brennan Johnson. I wonder whenever Nottingham Forest might have broken FFP that year btw. Huddersfield were also denied a clear penalty or 2 in the play-off final if memory serves. Johnson got 16 goals and 10 assists that season, stellar- just checked. He is their most successful manager in a generation without a doubt, even saw some journos compare him in Nottingham Forest terms to Clough. He took them up without Parachute Payments, another tick in the box. £ for £ Thomas Frank is perhaps superior in some respects. I get what you are saying, perhaps he fact he's British gives him that extra push with the media. I do think how he has performed in his career to date would warrant a move to a middling premier league club such as Palace or West Ham. With regards to comparisons with Frank that's tough, undoubtedly Frank has done a wonderful job at Brentford and took them to the next level. However he went into a club with an upward trajectory which is fantastically run behind the scenes. Cooper pretty much turned Forest from a basket case to premier league singlehandedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gimme Shelton Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 Why would there be a vacancy at West Ham? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 Therr has been speculation thst Moyes may not get a new contract. Possibly power struggles over recruitment between Moyes and Sporting Director or whatever the equivalent maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 4 hours ago, Gol said: not at all. Did well at England Youth set ups, winning a world cup, got an unfancied Swansea side to the play offs twice (they have not been there since), then took Forest from relegation places to promotion in 2/3s of season then kept Forest up in their first season. Swansea had a bloke up front on £80k a week at the time, they haven’t had that since either. If luck balances itself out Cooper is probably getting paid back for that run to the playoff final, in the game against us they scored a last minute winner with a blatant handball & the final was one of the most questionable refereeing displays in years, Huddersfield were denied two obvious penalties. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hxj Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 A demi-god near me, worshipped - but a long, long way behind some bloke called Brian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Swansea had a bloke up front on £80k a week at the time, they haven’t had that since either. If luck balances itself out Cooper is probably getting paid back for that run to the playoff final, in the game against us they scored a last minute winner with a blatant handball & the final was one of the most questionable refereeing displays in years, Huddersfield were denied two obvious penalties. We were also denied a clear penalty in that game at AG first half if that's the one you mean. Was there a handball in the build-up to their winner? Had forgotten about that! Albeit handball or ball to hand? I forget the exact rules these days. Edited December 7, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 27 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: We were also denied a clear penalty in that game at AG first half if that's the one you mean. Was there a handball in the build-up to their winner? Had forgotten about that! Albeit handball or ball to hand? I forget the exact rules these days. Scott fouled. Taylor handled it at the far post before putting it in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Scott fouled. Taylor handled it at the far post before putting it in. Watched it back some highlights and still can't out if ball to hand or hand to ball by Taylor- but the Scott foul rings true yeah. His arm did look in an unnatural position yeah. Edited December 7, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 54 minutes ago, Gimme Shelton said: Why would there be a vacancy at West Ham? Moyes in the same position as Pearson was. Contract up at the end of the season, no sign of the board wanting to renew it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dicks Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 Wish we had him here 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Alan Dicks said: Wish we had him here Me too. I’d stand next to him to look handsome. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Alan Dicks said: Wish we had him here Cooper? Let's see what he can do on a markedly lower budget. The wage bill at Forest was £37m before bonuses. £11-12m on fees/loan fees too albeit some of that may have been Hughton tbh. Edited December 7, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 22 hours ago, petehinton said: Taking them from relegation zone championship to prem promotion in the same season, then keeping them up in the prem the following? Can’t see it one bit. He’s in so much credit. Still got a decent buffer to the relegation zone too. They’d be mad to sack him. It’s great for a change to see supporters backing someone in that position and not having short memories about what he’s achieved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 28 minutes ago, One Team said: It’s great for a change to see supporters backing someone in that position and not having short memories about what he’s achieved. Will say, I have my scepticism about Cooper and think he has ridden his luck in some aspects but it does make a change for fans to vigorously back a manager during tough times. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) Derby fans don't much care for Pearson do they ha. He was one of those they referenced when discussing Cooper and his merits, future. Fair to say NP is one of their less favourite managers from what I've read on there down the years. Edited December 7, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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