Charlie BCFC Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 Fact of the matter is with Manning you can’t expect to get instant results, which is what everyone’s comments about it being a top 6 squad even more laughable. I like Manning and I do have full belief that it can come good but if we’re looking at players at their current state, they’re not good enough for where the hierarchy think we should be 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malago Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 “How to efff things up for dummies” You sell your best two players, fail to reinvest, sack a manager with 500 plus games of experience and replace him with an absolute rookie at this level and there you have it. Job’s a winner 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 15 minutes ago, TheSpaniard said: Manning isn’t going anywhere sorry to disapoint Evening Steve / Jon / Brian 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseybean Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 Manning would’ve learned a great deal more about his squad from that game. I anticipate he would agree with many on this forum, who, long before his appointment recognized we are a mid-championship team at best, lacking the quality and depth needed to compete at the top end of the table. Despite the comments from JL, BT and GM when NP was sacked. In particular, we are lacking creativity in midfield (as many said at the time Scott was sold) and it continues to be a concern as to where the goals are going to come from. We are a hard-working, spirited and enthusiastic squad, but that is simply not enough to be a top end championship contender. Manning isn’t to blame for any of this but has been framed by those who recruited him as an upgrade who will play the City way. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cov 77 Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 1 minute ago, TheSpaniard said: get behind the team too many desperate for us to lose. I’m afraid that may be the case for some , all defeats narrow could have been different , Norwich a mugging tbh , did I want Nige gone , no way but many are determined / want Manning to fail to prove the point, but I support this team , have done for too many years , and it ruins my day when we lose , as some stage we have to give this guy a chance instead of abusing him frankly at this stage for no reason , the toxic attitude on here is not healthy 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, TheSpaniard said: Pearson lucky to get a 3 year deal and did f all with it - glad he’s gone and someone else will get the pennies. Absolutely ******* clueless 12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 13 minutes ago, BCFCGav said: Don’t think OP suggested he should be fired. The decision to sack Nige was wrong but sacking LM 6 games in isn’t the answer. I did suggest when we incorrectly dismissed Nige going for a ‘stop-gap’ manager til the seasons end. So if it all went to pot as expected we could reassess come summer. Fleming in interim or even a Hail Mary Warnock type! As it is, LM is contracted until the summer of 2026 so has to make this work as dismissal would cost a fair chunk of the Scott money. Here’s hoping he does. How ridiculous does that contract now seem. Although it was a poor decision in the first place to give such a long contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, GrahamC said: That will solve it, if we all blindly follow we will win every week. 1 point gained from the last 15 available, to quote you “when did Pearson do that”. Clown. Lots of times that has happened, and probably worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cov 77 Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, GrahamC said: That will solve it, if we all blindly follow we will win every week. 1 point gained from the last 15 available, to quote you “when did Pearson do that”. Clown. Not sure but Manning had taken 4 from 15 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Cov 77 said: I’m afraid that may be the case for some , all defeats narrow could have been different , Norwich a mugging tbh , did I want Nige gone , no way but many are determined / want Manning to fail to prove the point, but I support this team , have done for too many years , and it ruins my day when we lose , as some stage we have to give this guy a chance instead of abusing him frankly at this stage for no reason , the toxic attitude on here is not healthy It is not that we wish Manning to fail but the fact that he is failing which is so demoralising Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galley is our king Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, TheSpaniard said: Pearson lucky to get a 3 year deal and did f all with it - glad he’s gone and someone else will get the pennies. You ******* ****! Piss off back to Bristol Sport... 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lakeside Red Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 We won’t be seeing much of Jon now for a while that’s for sure 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Jerseybean said: Manning would’ve learned a great deal more about his squad from that game. I anticipate he would agree with many on this forum, who, long before his appointment recognized we are a mid-championship team at best, lacking the quality and depth needed to compete at the top end of the table. Despite the comments from JL, BT and GM when NP was sacked. In particular, we are lacking creativity in midfield (as many said at the time Scott was sold) and it continues to be a concern as to where the goals are going to come from. We are a hard-working, spirited and enthusiastic squad, but that is simply not enough to be a top end championship contender. Manning isn’t to blame for any of this but has been framed by those who recruited him as an upgrade who will play the City way. All of which is true. Yet none of it explains why TGH scored a worldie and was MOTM and then has not started a game since. Edited December 12, 2023 by Southport Red 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, lenred said: Absolutely ******* clueless It’s amazing to me that people genuinely can’t see the good he did for our club. Astounding levels of head-in-sand. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finley_Smith10 Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 Tbf the plan to change pearson was probably coming. He could hardly walk and wasn’t that active in regards to training etc. But has been very poor so far. A lot more possession, but leaking goals far too easily and don’t look like scoring at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cov 77 Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Ivorguy said: It is not that we wish Manning to fail but the fact that he is failing which is so demoralising Sorry pissed off as everyone else but failing is a bit strong after 6 games, , been in every game but maybe lacking quality . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, Ivorguy said: How ridiculous does that contract now seem. Although it was a poor decision in the first place to give such a long contract. He speaks well and the Lansdown’s lap that up. I keep saying it, I’m not anti-LM, my disappointment is in J and SL. The 3.5 year contract was the final shoddy decision on top of the shoddy decision pie they baked. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 16 minutes ago, TheSpaniard said: Pearson lucky to get a 3 year deal and did f all with it - glad he’s gone and someone else will get the pennies. Cheers Bri. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galley is our king Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Lakeside Red said: We won’t be seeing much of Jon now for a while that’s for sure Supposed to be guest speaker at Senior Reds on Thursday... Now, as his Dad would tell him that's a tough gig at the best of times.... Will see if he bottles it.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, BCFCGav said: It’s amazing to me that people genuinely can’t see the good he did for our club. Astounding levels of head-in-sand. Yep. I’ve said elsewhere that I’m constantly amazed at the lack of understanding about the position we were in from some posters on here. And it’s more than it should be. It’s beyond comprehension. Support Manning or don’t support Manning tbh it’s got f all to do with it, but it’s a fact that Pearson took over a complete and utter shit show on and off the pitch. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 Lost interest the minute Pearson was sacked and things are only getting worse. At least before that, we as fans at least had the illusion of having some sort of a say in the club, a bit of influence. Now we all know it’s only the owner’s opinion that matters and sod the rest of the paying lot. I’d take Nige back in a heartbeat as bizarre as it would be. Never been so disinterested in City, and it’s not just being dramatic. I feel mentally checked out. 12 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_bristol Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 The only message he’ll listen to is fans not attending. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 1 minute ago, nebristolred said: Lost interest the minute Pearson was sacked and things are only getting worse. At least before that, we as fans at least had the illusion of having some sort of a say in the club, a bit of influence. Now we all know it’s only the owner’s opinion that matters and sod the rest of the paying lot. I’d take Nige back in a heartbeat as bizarre as it would be. Never been so disinterested in City, and it’s not just being dramatic. I feel mentally checked out. Stay the course brother. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 21 minutes ago, Charlie BCFC said: Fact of the matter is with Manning you can’t expect to get instant results, which is what everyone’s comments about it being a top 6 squad even more laughable. I like Manning and I do have full belief that it can come good but if we’re looking at players at their current state, they’re not good enough for where the hierarchy think we should be Sorry this is not how it was sold. We were missold. A solid base was inherited, 40% win ratio, 1.4 PPG, equal or positive GD not certain which. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 16 minutes ago, Jerseybean said: Manning would’ve learned a great deal more about his squad from that game. I anticipate he would agree with many on this forum, who, long before his appointment recognized we are a mid-championship team at best, lacking the quality and depth needed to compete at the top end of the table. Despite the comments from JL, BT and GM when NP was sacked. In particular, we are lacking creativity in midfield (as many said at the time Scott was sold) and it continues to be a concern as to where the goals are going to come from. We are a hard-working, spirited and enthusiastic squad, but that is simply not enough to be a top end championship contender. Manning isn’t to blame for any of this but has been framed by those who recruited him as an upgrade who will play the City way. He is to blame, they all are. He bought into the idea we were under performing… the remit was to improve us. He must have believed it was possible otherwise why take the job? If he’s only realised we’re mid-table squad after arriving then he’s done a very poor job of researching us. Brought in to take us forward. So far he’s taken us backwards and softened us up - how many goals are we conceding now? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 21 minutes ago, Charlie BCFC said: Fact of the matter is with Manning you can’t expect to get instant results, which is what everyone’s comments about it being a top 6 squad even more laughable. I like Manning and I do have full belief that it can come good but if we’re looking at players at their current state, they’re not good enough for where the hierarchy think we should be Not getting at you. But Manning has precisely no history of getting results over a longer term. His best results actually came instantly at MK Dons after taking over Russell Martin’s side in August. Given time, and the chance to build his own squad, they ended up in the relegation zone (acknowledging they lost Twine but a good coach absorbs that loss without that tailspin), There is no “fact of the matter” that Manning won’t get instant results but will on long term. In fact, on the limited history the inverse is actually true and I wish people would stop stating proveably incorrect statements as fact, 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Sorry this is not how it was sold. We were missold. A solid base was inherited, 40% win ratio, 1.4 PPG, equal or positive GD not certain which. It’s not how it was sold because our chairman is delusional about our squad. It’s a decent squad, my prediction was top half but also very suited to absorbing possession and one dimensional counter attacks. Look at his record at Oxford early on, I know they were massively underperforming but he didn’t win any for a fair few games then instantly hammered someone. I do think he will get it right but not as fast as some fans and definitely the hierarchy think it will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 Just now, Charlie BCFC said: It’s not how it was sold because our chairman is delusional about our squad. It’s a decent squad, my prediction was top half but also very suited to absorbing possession and one dimensional counter attacks. Look at his record at Oxford early on, I know they were massively underperforming but he didn’t win any for a fair few games then instantly hammered someone. I do think he will get it right but not as fast as some fans and definitely the hierarchy think it will You are under selling a bit. One dimensional country attacking is a bit low, granted Scott is a huge hole, fully fit Naismith, Atkinson, quire possibly McCrorie could bring a bit more but Plymouth, most of the Stoke game, Swansea away, phases of Hull and Millwall away. Last half hour we put Ipswich under huge pressure and can we discard the WBA first half. Manning is trying to change too much too soon I think. No we haven't got a top 6 squad, transition is and will be quite painful but it's all so needless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hand of RO'D Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 50 minutes ago, BCFCGav said: Too milquetoast to work with a manager who would tell him the truth, so punishes the fan base! It is a shame. Milquetoast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Not getting at you. But Manning has precisely no history of getting results over a longer term. His best results actually came instantly at MK Dons after taking over Russell Martin’s side in August. Given time, and the chance to build his own squad, they ended up in the relegation zone (acknowledging they lost Twine but a good coach absorbs that loss without that tailspin), There is no “fact of the matter” that Manning won’t get instant results but will on long term. In fact, on the limited history the inverse is actually true and I wish people would stop stating proveably incorrect statements as fact, Transition between Martin and Manning would’ve been easy as Martin is heavily possession based. Oxford he didn’t win any of his first 6 games before hammering Cheltenham 4-0. Not saying results long term is guaranteed, I’m just saying that I have hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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