Silvio Dante Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 Picking up on something @headhunter said on the pod re Ward, Benny etc and at times the need for help, particularly when adapting to a new level. It’s now accepted that in a lot of ways Liam is struggling. Badly. In such a circumstance the “third way” can be to bring in someone from outside in order to assist. If you look at our managerial team (including Tinnion) there is nobody who has managed at this level successfully, or played above League One consistently. In short, there’s nobody who really, really knows the game and how it works. So, on the assumption the board don’t want rid of Liam, would this be an acceptable third way? And who would it be (please don’t say Nige) - and most importantly of all, because I have my doubts, would Liam accept it? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nebristolred Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 In all seriousness, I like the idea but intrigued to know what role you would be thinking? Outside of a DoF or a second coach what role exists at that level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DaveInSA Posted March 4 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 4 The only help he needs is the door opening on his way out. 11 3 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo1111 Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 If he needs/gets help he’s done. He shouldn’t be managing at this level if he isn’t completely ready and it would make the decision makers at our club look even more foolish. If that’s possible. 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 5 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Picking up on something @headhunter said on the pod re Ward, Benny etc and at times the need for help, particularly when adapting to a new level. It’s now accepted that in a lot of ways Liam is struggling. Badly. In such a circumstance the “third way” can be to bring in someone from outside in order to assist. If you look at our managerial team (including Tinnion) there is nobody who has managed at this level successfully, or played above League One consistently. In short, there’s nobody who really, really knows the game and how it works. So, on the assumption the board don’t want rid of Liam, would this be an acceptable third way? And who would it be (please don’t say Nige) - and most importantly of all, because I have my doubts, would Liam accept it? It would be an admission of failiure in appointing him and acknowledging that Tinnion isnt up to the task. Honesty and humility not a strongpoint for the Lansdowns so cant see it personally. More likely to bumble on as we are and trust we stay up. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted March 4 Author Report Share Posted March 4 2 minutes ago, nebristolred said: In all seriousness, I like the idea but intrigued to know what role you would be thinking? Outside of a DoF or a second coach what role exists at that level? It is probably an experienced second coach - our structure rules out a DoF as that treads on Tinnions toes. To be fair you can call it what you want though. If you asked (for example, not suggesting) Joe Jordan to come in as a consultant his title doesn’t matter - it’s what he brings to the table. One of the (many) issues I think Liam has is that he’s blinded by the process - and the book he’s read is the same one “Hoggy” has read. So I think he needs a different viewpoint, to see what the book doesn’t tell him. Major caveat here is that I think he believes in the process so much that he may not show willingness to take it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: It is probably an experienced second coach - our structure rules out a DoF as that treads on Tinnions toes. To be fair you can call it what you want though. If you asked (for example, not suggesting) Joe Jordan to come in as a consultant his title doesn’t matter - it’s what he brings to the table. One of the (many) issues I think Liam has is that he’s blinded by the process - and the book he’s read is the same one “Hoggy” has read. So I think he needs a different viewpoint, to see what the book doesn’t tell him. Major caveat here is that I think he believes in the process so much that he may not show willingness to take it. Says it all for me. He is just so so rigid and stuck on the process. Also it’s him and ‘Hoggie’ against the world it seems. They are the team. Can’t see that dynamic being broken up easily if at all. Edited March 4 by lenred Typo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: It is probably an experienced second coach - our structure rules out a DoF as that treads on Tinnions toes. To be fair you can call it what you want though. If you asked (for example, not suggesting) Joe Jordan to come in as a consultant his title doesn’t matter - it’s what he brings to the table. One of the (many) issues I think Liam has is that he’s blinded by the process - and the book he’s read is the same one “Hoggy” has read. So I think he needs a different viewpoint, to see what the book doesn’t tell him. Major caveat here is that I think he believes in the process so much that he may not show willingness to take it. I would say we need a manager, not another coach. A tactician. I don't know who exactly. Early this morning I was thinking of Wilbs. Edited March 4 by exAtyeoMax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted March 4 Author Report Share Posted March 4 2 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: I would say we need a manager, not another coach. A tactician. I don't know who exactly. Early this morning I was thinking of Wilbs. Whatever gets you through the night…! 2 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatchers Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 I hear both Johnsons are available. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 That would mean the management admitting they got it wrong. Not going to happen. I don’t think Liam would ask for help either. Unlike John Ward, Liam has been recruited by a Championship club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 Curbishley? I think he lives local doesn't he??! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco Rojo Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 I wouldn't be supeised if SL/JL were struggling with this and whether to seek additional help or pray he can get us to the end of the season and safety and then review. I think they would be concerned about how bringing help in/changing the structure would make their decision process look appointing him in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 11 minutes ago, fatchers said: I hear both Johnsons are available. Dream team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 Don't you think Tinnion already sees himself as that experienced older head that is 'helping'? I suspect the club does. 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 People often suggested the same for Lee. I always wondered that in that case, what exactly are they bringing to the table? Is it just a demotion to coach in all but name? If so, then what's the point - I'd just ditch them and get someone in to replace them rather than attempting to paper over the cracks (and then have another payoff in 6 months when that doesn't work either!) 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 Just now, robin_unreliant said: Don't you think Tinnion already sees himself as that experienced older head that is 'helping'? I suspect the club does. yes, unfortunately 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 Just get some of the senior players like King together. “This is were I am aiming to get us. You know the players. I am interested in your thoughts as to how we move there’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 What we need is what the brains at the top binned off disgracefully. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 Just now, robin_unreliant said: Don't you think Tinnion already sees himself as that experienced older head that is 'helping'? I suspect the club does. Yep and that is part of the problem. It irritates me when they show the training on you tube and Tinnion is stood on the touch line. Tinnion shouldn’t be anywhere near the first team IMO 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted March 4 Author Report Share Posted March 4 6 minutes ago, IAmNick said: People often suggested the same for Lee. I always wondered that in that case, what exactly are they bringing to the table? Is it just a demotion to coach in all but name? If so, then what's the point - I'd just ditch them and get someone in to replace them rather than attempting to paper over the cracks (and then have another payoff in 6 months when that doesn't work either!) Don’t get me wrong - that’s my preference! I actually think in a lot of ways Liam needs an external viewpoint more than Lee did. At least Lee would try different things. The microsome of Liam was when you looked to the bench on 59 minutes on Saturday and saw the subs stripping off. It’s become so predictable it’s a parody. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 7 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Yep and that is part of the problem. It irritates me when they show the training on you tube and Tinnion is stood on the touch line. Tinnion shouldn’t be anywhere near the first team IMO Perhaps a little reminder Brian. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedsHeadIs Red Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 I've never known a leader who focuses only on theory, concepts and soundbites who has been successful. What LM lacks is charisma, gravitas and authority and he can't be 'helped' with those. All the great managers and coaches possess those qualities to motivate and drive the squad. 5 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 I can't see that working, it will be at odds to how he wants to set up and play. We have a squad that is comfortably mid table quality. And here in lies the problem, as JL and BT think with better coaching they should be pushing for the play offs. NP played to our squads strengths. He achieved a slow upward curve of mid table stability. LM is trying a system that doesn't play to our strengths. That imo, is why we are on a downward spiral. Also...imo, he struggles when we have a plethora of fit players to choose from. Often picking the wrong players and system against opposition. Too much change. Now he wants us to go back to basics It's jumbled coaching imo. Better he leaves. 11 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben1980 Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 Maybe we can help Manning by locking Tinnion in a cupboard. That way he won’t be able to pop into Liam’s office with his ‘ideas’ and ‘advice’. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 (edited) I just wonder what a good tonking, let's say 5 or 6 - 0 tomorrow would do for their thought process? Edited March 4 by A Horse With No Name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpexile Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 50 minutes ago, nebristolred said: Nige King & James have extensive knowledge of a higher standard, could they be of any help?. Not that I believe for one minute that LM would consider asking. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 Get Warnock back down from Scotland!!!!! The AI generated manager is not up to the task! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzos Only Goal Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 56 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Picking up on something @headhunter said on the pod re Ward, Benny etc and at times the need for help, particularly when adapting to a new level. It’s now accepted that in a lot of ways Liam is struggling. Badly. In such a circumstance the “third way” can be to bring in someone from outside in order to assist. If you look at our managerial team (including Tinnion) there is nobody who has managed at this level successfully, or played above League One consistently. In short, there’s nobody who really, really knows the game and how it works. So, on the assumption the board don’t want rid of Liam, would this be an acceptable third way? And who would it be (please don’t say Nige) - and most importantly of all, because I have my doubts, would Liam accept it? I agree I think he does need a bigger backroom staff with more experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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