38MC Posted March 10 Report Share Posted March 10 2 hours ago, Charlie BCFC said: You don’t think Sykes and Roberts changed the game then? And you don’t think Sykes should start right wing over Harry cornick? Or that knight shouldn’t be a false 10 with 2 strikers on the pitch? Or that Roberts for Pring after an hour was handed on a plate after Tuesday, or King to come on? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted March 10 Report Share Posted March 10 52 minutes ago, Davefevs said: In fairness Cornick did well enough on Tuesday to keep his place. He didn’t really get much chance in a poor team performance at the point he came off. I felt sorry for him. The sad thing is...Cornick is being played for his defensive contribution on the right, rather than his striking ability. Says it all imo. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted March 10 Report Share Posted March 10 38 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Yeah, wasn’t trying to second guess Manning, and as you say he seems to try to counter out opponent rather than impose our game on them. Which is a step backwards imo . Seems a negative thing to do 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderwithtommy Posted March 10 Report Share Posted March 10 Our best performances under manning have all come from games in which motivating the players was a formality, cup games live on tv, under the lights on tv v top sides in the league (barring Leeds who outclassed us). That makes my mind up that those results were not down to “time on the grass” at the HPC, or clever tactics, but our most talented players taking ownership and making things happen. Manning, seemingly, cannot demand/get this from them via his leadership style - makes me believe he is out of his depth. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted March 10 Report Share Posted March 10 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Yeah, wasn’t trying to second guess Manning, and as you say he seems to try to counter out opponent rather than impose our game on them. Hmmm.... ...who does that remind you of, Dave? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted March 10 Report Share Posted March 10 4 hours ago, NickJ said: My arse. Never been so bored. I was thinking what is the opposite of High Press? No Press whatsoever. Cunning of Swansea to deploy that forcefield that meant we couldn't tackle them in their half and needed to stand about 30ft distant of their defence. They obviously "let the shield" down for about 10 minutes in the second, when we had our three little attacks which led to a goal. Seriously, though, quite agree. It was anti-football. Luckily Swansea were even worse and couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo. I might have to wait many years before I see another side who manage to give away a throw in trying to take a short corner. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 10 Report Share Posted March 10 2 hours ago, steviestevieneville said: Which is a step backwards imo . Seems a negative thing to do Yes, in his post-match interview, his first thought was his “block”. 1 hour ago, Superjack said: Hmmm.... ...who does that remind you of, Dave? Please don’t! 1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said: I was thinking what is the opposite of High Press? No Press whatsoever. Cunning of Swansea to deploy that forcefield that meant we couldn't tackle them in their half and needed to stand about 30ft distant of their defence. They obviously "let the shield" down for about 10 minutes in the second, when we had our three little attacks which led to a goal. Seriously, though, quite agree. It was anti-football. Luckily Swansea were even worse and couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo. I might have to wait many years before I see another side who manage to give away a throw in trying to take a short corner. Yep, pure block. It was training session / no contact stuff…this is how we shape-shift across the pitch. We didn’t even go 424 like pre-Ipswich, but 442 again. Swansea keeper or Grimes helping to allow their CBs to split. Imagine knowing exactly how Luke Williams would play but not being able to come up with anything better than this! That was my biggest frustration. And apologies to the Lansdown stand after 35 mins when I got too “emotional” and shouted at Manning to do something. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of his pie crust Posted March 10 Report Share Posted March 10 7 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Yes, in his post-match interview, his first thought was his “block”. Please don’t! Yep, pure block. It was training session / no contact stuff…this is how we shape-shift across the pitch. We didn’t even go 424 like pre-Ipswich, but 442 again. Swansea keeper or Grimes helping to allow their CBs to split. Imagine knowing exactly how Luke Williams would play but not being able to come up with anything better than this! That was my biggest frustration. And apologies to the Lansdown stand after 35 mins when I got too “emotional” and shouted at Manning to do something. You shouted ‘do something’ Dave? Steady on there chief 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted March 10 Report Share Posted March 10 9 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Yes, in his post-match interview, his first thought was his “block”. Please don’t! Yep, pure block. It was training session / no contact stuff…this is how we shape-shift across the pitch. We didn’t even go 424 like pre-Ipswich, but 442 again. Swansea keeper or Grimes helping to allow their CBs to split. Imagine knowing exactly how Luke Williams would play but not being able to come up with anything better than this! That was my biggest frustration. And apologies to the Lansdown stand after 35 mins when I got too “emotional” and shouted at Manning to do something. The question is did he get emotional after you shouted at him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 10 Report Share Posted March 10 Thought the first half especially was quite sleep inducing. Delighted with the win and clean sheet, but it will count for nothing if we cannot start to build on it in respect of performances. Otoh as we knew in November, winning games can buy time to implement new ideas- perhaps ideas that build on the solid base and try to improve areas that aren't so strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targeted by Mods Posted March 10 Report Share Posted March 10 7 hours ago, Charlie BCFC said: When we’ve been in the form we’ve been in recently result is the most important thing. We were constantly on the front foot mid week but lost the game. What people won’t mention is the subs that Manning made changed the game… Right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted March 10 Report Share Posted March 10 3 hours ago, ciderwithtommy said: Our best performances under manning have all come from games in which motivating the players was a formality, cup games live on tv, under the lights on tv v top sides in the league (barring Leeds who outclassed us). That makes my mind up that those results were not down to “time on the grass” at the HPC, or clever tactics, but our most talented players taking ownership and making things happen. Manning, seemingly, cannot demand/get this from them via his leadership style - makes me believe he is out of his depth. Having heard his press conferences would Manning inspire you? Nope thought not and I can’t see him inspiring the players either. Instead it would seem that he overloads them with information, rather than setting up a team of players playing in their best positions and in a formation that best suits them, then encouraging them to play their natural game. Not so much “coached” as inhibited! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 10 Report Share Posted March 10 (edited) 7 hours ago, Charlie BCFC said: We were constantly on the front foot mid week We really weren’t. For most of the first half we were back foot, blocking, let’s contain Ipswich mode. Even the head coach said that. Youre being swayed by the fact that we went ahead twice, and did play some better stuff in the second half for a spell. Edited March 10 by Davefevs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted March 10 Report Share Posted March 10 4th equal best defence in terms of goals conceded. 6th equal worst attack in terms of goals scored. You can see where the problems lie and it’s not at the back. We are not a front foot team as set up by Manning and we struggle to make goal-scoring chances. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 (edited) 12 hours ago, Dr Balls said: 4th equal best defence in terms of goals conceded. 6th equal worst attack in terms of goals scored. You can see where the problems lie and it’s not at the back. We are not a front foot team as set up by Manning and we struggle to make goal-scoring chances. I've had a look at some relatively basic stats. Dead middling once an average of all 4 taken. Shots For 15th Shots Conceded/Against 11th XG For 18th XG Against 10th Non Penalty XG For 19th Non Penalty XG Against 8th That tells a story. Literally 13th-14th range. I should also add our Penalties against is certainly high relative to our XG and or Shots Against. The Dickie one v Watford was gift-wrapped. The Southampton one was inconsequential. Edited March 11 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 19 hours ago, Davefevs said: Yeah, wasn’t trying to second guess Manning, and as you say he seems to try to counter out opponent rather than impose our game on them. Sounds just like LJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I've had a look at some relatively basic stats. Dead middling once an average of all 4 taken. Shots For 15th Shots Conceded/Against 11th XG For 18th XG Against 10th Non Penalty XG For 19th Non Penalty XG Against 8th That tells a story. Literally 13th-14th range. I should also add our Penalties against is certainly high relative to our XG and or Shots Against. The Dickie one v Watford was gift-wrapped. The Southampton one was inconsequential. fill her boots! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Davefevs said: fill her boots! Your stats defo more advanced, I was using a slightly more basic Model- FBRef. Doesn't split by manager either and metrics definitely feel like they've worsened of late. Edited March 11 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 33 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Your stats defo more advanced, I was using a slightly more basic Model- FBRef. Doesn't split by manager either and metrics definitely feel like they've worsened of late. If you go to: https://theanalyst.com/eu/2023/08/championship-stats-2023-24-opta/ you’ll see the latest data which I source every game. I run a delta process to split the per game stuff. Possession style: Press / Block style: Chances for: Chances against: Shot trends: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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