Season Ticket Renewal!

[Davefevs]

6 minutes ago, Were you at Mansfield? said:

I’m one of those fans that’s in the category of having a ST along with my kids in the south stand and I’m not relocating. 

I must admit I was initially annoyed when the price announcement first came out as the kids tickets have doubled and we don’t get the home shirt now. We barely miss a game unless we’re away.

However I still had no intention of going to the upper Lansdown. Although I understand what the club are trying to do (I think), both the kids and I enjoy where we sit.  I’ve just had to suck it up and actually buy a couple of shirts from the club shop for once!

Ta.

Is that because they’ve reached the age that they don’t get a shirt anymore?  If so, I imagine they’re at an age where the SS is mire where they’d wanna be anyway?

[Sleepy1968]

1 hour ago, JBFC II said:

Don't the club have to keep a certain number of tickets back for pay on the day anyway?

Let's say we have 22000 seats available for home fans, we'd probably be looking to max out at 18k season tickets and then leave the rest for general sale.

The issue with the south stand was the number of unused season tickets. From what I heard, despite being sold out it was at around 60% capacity on average, the club had to do something. Season tickets are still of huge importance for a club like ourselves, can't see there coming a time in the near future where we won't have them

Yeah, that situation was untenable.

It probably looked worse than it was because a number of supporters invoked the free upgrade to unattended seats in other parts of the ground.

[Were you at Mansfield?]

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

Ta.

Is that because they’ve reached the age that they don’t get a shirt anymore?  If so, I imagine they’re at an age where the SS is mire where they’d wanna be anyway?

One has just crossed into the higher category so accept that’s just life, but one is still ‘under 12’. In answer to your question,  yes it suits them better. We’re only a few blocks from section 82 and they like the atmosphere (one to debate on another topic!), and we like who we sit by.

I guess if my kids were a few years younger, maybe I would have been more open to relocating.

[Sleepy1968]

1 hour ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Obviously we don't know how next season is going to pan out on the pitch. 

But let's just say we do about the same. 

I don't think people are quite aware of the impact the new TV deal will have on fixtures and that come next years renewals we will see a drop off because of the TV schedule. 

We will. I suspect the FSF will do a survey to help quantify the impact of this. Apart from people not attending, it will also cause major inconvenience to some fans. That this isn't recognised by the other 'stakeholders' shows that the pursuit of the dollar (or pound) trumps all in modern professional football.

[Mr Popodopolous]

8 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

We will. I suspect the FSF will do a survey to help quantify the impact of this. Apart from people not attending, it will also cause major inconvenience to some fans. That this isn't recognised by the other 'stakeholders' shows that the pursuit of the dollar (or pound) trumps all in modern professional football.

Is not even a gamechanging amount either...

If it was say £10m more per Championship club I would say well there is a difference albeit one that lifts all boats.

£2m-2.5m, £3m at a push..in a League where clubs lose £15-20m in a Year, underlying losses and actual with some ease. Is it worth it?

[elhombrecito]

17 minutes ago, Were you at Mansfield? said:

One has just crossed into the higher category so accept that’s just life, but one is still ‘under 12’. In answer to your question,  yes it suits them better. We’re only a few blocks from section 82 and they like the atmosphere (one to debate on another topic!), and we like who we sit by.

I guess if my kids were a few years younger, maybe I would have been more open to relocating.

The one who is under 12 will still get a free shirt.

[Were you at Mansfield?]

5 minutes ago, elhombrecito said:

The one who is under 12 will still get a free shirt.

My understanding was it now only applied to under 12 tickets being bought in the family area but happy to be corrected! Thanks

[Silvio Dante]

26 minutes ago, Were you at Mansfield? said:

One has just crossed into the higher category so accept that’s just life, but one is still ‘under 12’. In answer to your question,  yes it suits them better. We’re only a few blocks from section 82 and they like the atmosphere (one to debate on another topic!), and we like who we sit by.

I guess if my kids were a few years younger, maybe I would have been more open to relocating.

You kind of touch on another topic in your last line - and that is what the kids who are a few years younger do in 2-3 years time. Too young to go without an adult, too old to want to sit in the family area. By not selling new STs for the South Stand, the club have created a major problem going forward (possibly by intent) - that dad/mum with kids is forced to get a ST in a more expensive part of the ground when the move comes.

[elhombrecito]

4 minutes ago, Were you at Mansfield? said:

My understanding was it now only applied to under 12 tickets being bought in the family area but happy to be corrected! Thanks

The website states that all under 12 season ticket holders receive a free shirt, so I'll certainly be kicking off if that isn't the case!

[TV Tom]

3 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Nope, he's a good poster imo and that you, or others, don't agree with his posts is beside the point.

You are notable for the number of posts you make super, but also the brevity of the vast majority of those posts, more often than not confined to 1 line.

When challenged WSM goes out of his way to explain his views in some depth, to me that's a good poster whether you agree with him or not.

I hope he re-news and buys some sort of ST and hope he carries on posting on this forum but personally I find his constant negativity quite depressing and draining

[W-S-M Seagull]

1 hour ago, TV Tom said:

I hope he re-news and buys some sort of ST and hope he carries on posting on this forum but personally I find his constant negativity quite depressing and draining

You've changed your tune. 

The feeling is mutual. 

[Cov 77]

5 hours ago, JBFC II said:

Don't the club have to keep a certain number of tickets back for pay on the day anyway?

Let's say we have 22000 seats available for home fans, we'd probably be looking to max out at 18k season tickets and then leave the rest for general sale.

The issue with the south stand was the number of unused season tickets. From what I heard, despite being sold out it was at around 60% capacity on average, the club had to do something. Season tickets are still of huge importance for a club like ourselves, can't see there coming a time in the near future where we won't have them

I don’t think they want to sell anything like 18k if previous utterings are anything to go by, I think nearer 15k tops , whatever their reasoning . 
 

To be fair I think fans groups have also pushed the changes regarding the south stand as a way to improve the atmosphere, to many cheap kids tickets not always attending for whatever reason leaving big gaps . 

[eardun]

12 minutes ago, Cov 77 said:

I don’t think they want to sell anything like 18k if previous utterings are anything to go by, I think nearer 15k tops , whatever their reasoning . 
 

To be fair I think fans groups have also pushed the changes regarding the south stand as a way to improve the atmosphere, to many cheap kids tickets not always attending for whatever reason leaving big gaps . 

Yes Gavin Marshall said they want to increase sales to just over 15k on the FBC podcast. 

[Rocking Red Cyril]

8 hours ago, JBFC II said:

Don't the club have to keep a certain number of tickets back for pay on the day anyway?

Let's say we have 22000 seats available for home fans, we'd probably be looking to max out at 18k season tickets and then leave the rest for general sale.

The issue with the south stand was the number of unused season tickets. From what I heard, despite being sold out it was at around 60% capacity on average, the club had to do something. Season tickets are still of huge importance for a club like ourselves, can't see there coming a time in the near future where we won't have them

So has the club done anything to avoid the empty seats of unused season tickets 

[eardun]

Just now, Rocking Red Cyril said:

So has the club done anything to avoid the empty seats of unused season tickets 

The focus is on the South Stand. They are hopping that the following works:

1. Higher % price increase in the SS v other stands (to discourage purchase if not going to use it).

2. Even higher price increase for kids in the SS to discourage unused kids’ tickets there (can move to cheaper family stand).

3. No new season tickets in SS. 

4. All of the above to free up tickets for POTD fans.

Time will tell if that will work. Plus if the TV deal moves a lot of kick off times around, there may be more season tickets holders who can’t attend which may negate some of the above.

 

 

[eardun]

8 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I think there are many ways to do it. Miss 5 games in a row and you get your ticket deactivated for one game for example. Losing the seat would only happen following lots of periods of missed games. Pretty sure it's Brighton that does this. 

I think the big issue is these kids tickets. I don't think the increase will stop people buying them just to have a spare seat next to them. Because ultimately if they upgrade the shirt to an adults shirt then they are still only paying what 60 quid for the seat? 

Also there is the issue of adults are using these kids tickets. I've seen many people openly boast about it on various platforms. 

For the genuine people these people are spoiling it for them. 

No mate. Didn't watch it. Was engaged doing something else over the weekend. 

From what I have seen, clubs who have a use it or lose it policy re season tickets tend to combine it with one important caveat - they say if you advertise the seat for sale on their ticket exchange site, that is classed as using it (whether anyone buys it or not). Same if you forward it to a mate. That feels entirely appropriate/reasonable and it would be good if City create a site like this in the future. As @phantom has said though, it is unlikely to happen until there are regular sell outs as until then it makes more commercial sense for City to focus on selling the seats that haven’t been sold yet rather then spend money reselling the ones that have already been sold. 

[Davefevs]

6 minutes ago, eardun said:

From what I have seen, clubs who have a use it or lose it policy re season tickets tend to combine it with one important caveat - they say if you advertise the seat for sale on their ticket exchange site, that is classed as using it (whether anyone buys it or not). Same if you forward it to a mate. That feels entirely appropriate/reasonable and it would be good if City create a site like this in the future. As @phantom has said though, it is unlikely to happen until there are regular sell outs as until then it makes more commercial sense for City to focus on selling the seats that haven’t been sold yet rather then spend money reselling the ones that have already been sold. 

Someone, probably @phantom said the ticket system has the capability to do this…but needs demand for tickets to justify it.

(I think)

[Scrumpy Dziek]

How do they know what the demand for cheap or seats behind a goal are if they're always sold out?

 

[phantom]

7 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Someone, probably @phantom said the ticket system has the capability to do this…but needs demand for tickets to justify it.

(I think)

I honestly don't know for 100%, I do know a new system was being installed and it was believed it was an available facility 

The impression I get is it won't be dependent on being a sell out as lower priced tickets would be available 

But as I have said, it's all within a bigger project about improving the atmosphere 

Just now, Scrumpy Dziek said:

How do they know what the demand for cheap or seats behind a goal are if they're always sold out?

 

Feedback and discussions 

[eardun]

This is the Spurs rule for example:

1.5 Seat Utilisation

With huge demand for tickets to our home matches, and in order to maximise access to tickets, we shall continue to monitor the utilisation of Season Tickets throughout the 2024/25 season.

In an effort to increase ticket availability to One Hotspur Members, Season Ticket Holders will be responsible for ensuring that every effort is made for their Season Ticket seat to be occupied at home Premier League fixtures.

As well as attendance in person, a seat will be considered utilised if it is listed for sale on Ticket Exchange or shared with a friend or family member by using Ticket Share or Ticket Upgrade (see Section 6.3).

To be guaranteed a Season Ticket for the 2025/26 season, supporters will need to ensure that their seat has been utilised, as detailed above, for no less than 15 of the 19 home Premier League fixtures. The Club will work with any supporter at risk of not meeting this threshold during the season.

The Club will also be providing an amnesty period during the 2024/25 season for Season Ticket Holders who do not regularly attend matches themselves to transfer the ownership of their seat.

[W-S-M Seagull]

22 minutes ago, eardun said:

From what I have seen, clubs who have a use it or lose it policy re season tickets tend to combine it with one important caveat - they say if you advertise the seat for sale on their ticket exchange site, that is classed as using it (whether anyone buys it or not). Same if you forward it to a mate. That feels entirely appropriate/reasonable and it would be good if City create a site like this in the future. As @phantom has said though, it is unlikely to happen until there are regular sell outs as until then it makes more commercial sense for City to focus on selling the seats that haven’t been sold yet rather then spend money reselling the ones that have already been sold. 

As the SS is constantly sold out, couldn't they implement this system on a stand by stand basis? 

Eventually the plan is for us to be successful so these issues will pop up. Why not future proof ourselves now whilst also dealing with a current issue? 

[W-S-M Seagull]

7 minutes ago, phantom said:

But as I have said, it's all within a bigger project about improving the atmosphere 

What is the bigger project? Expanding the singing area? And by taking season tickets off sale this then makes it easier to expand it as less people to move? 

[eardun]

8 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

As the SS is constantly sold out, couldn't they implement this system on a stand by stand basis? 

Eventually the plan is for us to be successful so these issues will pop up. Why not future proof ourselves now whilst also dealing with a current issue? 

It will be interesting to see how many POTD tickets are available for sale in the SS for the first match of the season - I presume that will be the first time we will know how many SS ticket holders have not renewed/have moved to the family stand.

[W-S-M Seagull]

4 minutes ago, eardun said:

It will be interesting to see how many POTD tickets are available for sale in the SS for the first match of the season - I presume that will be the first time we will know how many SS ticket holders have not renewed/have moved to the family stand.

Personally I don't think it will have any material impact. 

I think people will just suck up the price increases especially those who abused the offer. 

Edited April 25 by W-S-M Seagull

[Scrumpy Dziek]

27 minutes ago, Scrumpy Dziek said:

How do they know what the demand for cheap or seats behind a goal are if they're always sold out?

 

 

26 minutes ago, phantom said:

Feedback and discussions 

Are you surprised that nobody is feeding back or discussing that they haven't bought a ticket for a game because the cheapest ticket or their preferred view from a goal isn't available?

[eardun]

2 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Personally I don't think it will have any material impact. 

Yes I’m not so sure either. Indeed some may have renewed precisely because of the ‘renewals- only’ policy, i.e. they may be concerned that if they leave the SS now, they might never be able to go back there again in the future. As I say, though, it will be interesting to see when tickets go on sale for the first match.

[phantom]

11 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

What is the bigger project? Expanding the singing area? And by taking season tickets off sale this then makes it easier to expand it as less people to move? 

All I can tell you at this point is there are many things being raised and discussed under the banner of "Improving the atmosphere", some things are very easy and quick wins, but other things will need approval from the board before being raised with our fanbase

Anything and everything is on the table at this point

11 hours ago, Scrumpy Dziek said:

 

Are you surprised that nobody is feeding back or discussing that they haven't bought a ticket for a game because the cheapest ticket or their preferred view from a goal isn't available?

I meant the complete opposite, it is from feedback received 

[lenred]

28 minutes ago, phantom said:

All I can tell you at this point is there are many things being raised and discussed under the banner of "Improving the atmosphere", some things are very easy and quick wins, but other things will need approval from the board before being raised with our fanbase

Anything and everything is on the table at this point

What’s triggered this sudden interest in atmosphere by the club? And how will supporters be able to feed in. Is it going to be an open and transparent process? 

Edited April 26 by lenred

[phantom]

1 hour ago, lenred said:

What’s triggered this sudden interest in atmosphere by the club? And how will supporters be able to feed in. Is it going to be an open and transparent process? 

It was initially raised by the SC&T

IF it is decided to progress with anything, all relevant supporters will be consulted with all the way through the process. If ultimately any suggestion doesn't have enough supporter buy in, it won't happen

It's far too early to raise on here, nothing to worry or discuss for a while yet

[exAtyeoMax]

14 hours ago, eardun said:

The focus is on the South Stand. They are hopping that the following works:

1. Higher % price increase in the SS v other stands (to discourage purchase if not going to use it).

2. Even higher price increase for kids in the SS to discourage unused kids’ tickets there (can move to cheaper family stand).

3. No new season tickets in SS. 

4. All of the above to free up tickets for POTD fans.

Time will tell if that will work. Plus if the TV deal moves a lot of kick off times around, there may be more season tickets holders who can’t attend which may negate some of the above.

 

 

are they trying to drive STHs out in anticipation of installing rail seating in the near future?

[Sir Geoff]

13 hours ago, eardun said:

It will be interesting to see how many POTD tickets are available for sale in the SS for the first match of the season - I presume that will be the first time we will know how many SS ticket holders have not renewed/have moved to the family stand.

Not sure the first march will be a great barometer. Early August, people still on holiday, match will be live on Sky.

I guess the club could boost numbers by making it a Mates Rates game.

[1960maaan]

17 hours ago, Cov 77 said:

I don’t think they want to sell anything like 18k if previous utterings are anything to go by, I think nearer 15k tops , whatever their reasoning . 
 

To be fair I think fans groups have also pushed the changes regarding the south stand as a way to improve the atmosphere, to many cheap kids tickets not always attending for whatever reason leaving big gaps . 

 

17 hours ago, eardun said:

Yes Gavin Marshall said they want to increase sales to just over 15k on the FBC podcast. 

I will have to go and listen again as I took it to mean they wanted to sell more than last year , to get over 15k at the start of the season . I didn't think they wanted to limit it to just over 15k

They have to hold a certain % back for PotD , but you would think that having a guaranteed 18k every week would be preferable , then you would be near sell out every game if the PotD interest kept up. 

 

[phantom]

23 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

are they trying to drive STHs out in anticipation of installing rail seating in the near future?

Changes were purely done as a result of the high numbers buying seats and not using them, the only way to do that was to move the family seats

Not 2+2=5 here

My personal opinion is that in a years time they will be back on sale as normal again

[exAtyeoMax]

33 minutes ago, phantom said:

Changes were purely done as a result of the high numbers buying seats and not using them, the only way to do that was to move the family seats

Not 2+2=5 here

My personal opinion is that in a years time they will be back on sale as normal again

I suppose it depends how many families have moved to the L? 

[Cov 77]

2 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

 

I will have to go and listen again as I took it to mean they wanted to sell more than last year , to get over 15k at the start of the season . I didn't think they wanted to limit it to just over 15k

They have to hold a certain % back for PotD , but you would think that having a guaranteed 18k every week would be preferable , then you would be near sell out every game if the PotD interest kept up. 

 

I get it but not just us many clubs leave a lot of room , more than we would think sensible for POTD , make more money ? 
Don’t agree with it but heard this lower figure spoken about before 

[eardun]

2 hours ago, Sir Geoff said:

Not sure the first march will be a great barometer. Early August, people still on holiday, match will be live on Sky.

I guess the club could boost numbers by making it a Mates Rates game.

No I’m not referring to how it looks in the ground. I mean by looking at how many POTD tickets go on sale online for the first match - that’s when we’ll see how many non season ticket holder seats are available in the SS.

Edited April 26 by eardun

[Davefevs]

4 minutes ago, eardun said:

No I’m not referring to how it looks in the ground. I mean by looking at how many POTD tickets go on sale online for the first match - that’s when we’ll see how many non season ticket holder seats are available in the SS.

@IAmNick please can you run your script when our first game goes on sale please.  Save everyone counting seats on the webpage! Ta!

[IAmNick]

35 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

@IAmNick please can you run your script when our first game goes on sale please.  Save everyone counting seats on the webpage! Ta!

I've been running it regularly so you can have a graph if you really want...!

Currently it thinks there are 9665 seats sold, BUT as the South Stand shows 100% sold, I've excluded any block where that's the case - so that's excluding the south stand, boxes, and some other areas (like the A ones and S82). I reckon given the timing of the tweet about 12k sold there are probably around 2.5k season tickets in the South Stand. I can work that out properly on the first home game I think!

Interestingly this morning when they went on general sale, the number of seats sold went from 9834 to 9573 - I don't know why that'd be. At like 10pm last night it was showing that 9834 sold (again, excluding the south stand).

If people want a current per block breakdown to add up themselves:

name	capacity	free	sold	% full
A1	18	0	18	100.0
A10	18	0	18	100.0
A11	18	0	18	100.0
A12	20	0	20	100.0
A13	20	0	20	100.0
A2	18	0	18	100.0
A3	22	0	22	100.0
A4	38	0	38	100.0
A5	10	0	10	100.0
A6	10	0	10	100.0
A7	38	0	38	100.0
A8	58	0	58	100.0
A9	40	0	40	100.0
Box 1	12	0	12	100.0
Box 10	12	0	12	100.0
Box 11	12	0	12	100.0
Box 12	12	0	12	100.0
Box 13	12	0	12	100.0
Box 14	12	0	12	100.0
Box 15	12	0	12	100.0
Box 16	12	0	12	100.0
Box 17	12	0	12	100.0
Box 18	12	0	12	100.0
Box 2	12	0	12	100.0
Box 3	12	0	12	100.0
Box 4	12	0	12	100.0
Box 5	12	0	12	100.0
Box 6	12	0	12	100.0
Box 7	12	0	12	100.0
Box 8	12	0	12	100.0
Box 9	12	0	12	100.0
Directors Box	58	0	58	100.0
E28	737	131	606	82.2
E29	947	163	784	82.8
E30	1084	443	641	59.1
E31	1055	315	740	70.1
E32	1084	523	561	51.8
E33	945	395	550	58.2
E34	787	538	249	31.6
N35	648	0	648	100.0
N36	490	0	490	100.0
N37	673	0	673	100.0
N38	673	0	673	100.0
N39	531	0	531	100.0
N40	454	0	454	100.0
N41	391	0	391	100.0
S18	640	0	640	100.0
S19	551	0	551	100.0
S20	729	0	729	100.0
S21	841	0	841	100.0
S22	842	0	842	100.0
S23	841	0	841	100.0
S24	729	0	729	100.0
S25	553	0	553	100.0
S26	486	0	486	100.0
S27	129	0	129	100.0
W1	359	261	98	27.3
W10	188	178	10	5.3
W11	629	228	401	63.8
W12	590	205	385	65.3
W13	715	139	576	80.6
W14	566	0	566	100.0
W15	716	103	613	85.6
W16	651	146	505	77.6
W17	630	163	467	74.1
W2	634	319	315	49.7
W3	520	69	451	86.7
W4	445	261	184	41.3
W5	422	220	202	47.9
W6	445	247	198	44.5
W7	514	64	450	87.5
W8	637	132	505	79.3
W9	359	185	174	48.5

Edited April 26 by IAmNick

[Scrumpy Dziek]

And that shows how many seats can be booked in the Atyeo, which is under 4000.

Where did the often quoted 4200 come from? Or have seats been removed?

[REDOXO]

I am so confused! 
 

How many season tickets have actually been sold to supporters?

How is withholding seats in the South Stand advantageous to the football club?

Am I off base here, but are the club threatening/implying they will limit sales of season tickets at a relatively low level? 
 

All help appreciated!

[Davefevs]

 @Iamaredhead

[Sleepy1968]

10 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

I am so confused! 
 

How many season tickets have actually been sold to supporters?

How is withholding seats in the South Stand advantageous to the football club?

Am I off base here, but are the club threatening/implying they will limit sales of season tickets at a relatively low level? 
 

All help appreciated!

1. 12k+

2. Two reasons: They are trying to increase bums on seats, seeing as the South Stand attendances have been hugely under capacity for many games, with all tickets sold to ST holders (as in Sold Out). Also gives us cheaper POTD alternative.

3. I think some people got the wrong end of the stick. Ain't no way the Club would limit ST sales below the proscribed limit (there have to be a certain percent of POTD tickets available.)

Waits for people to disagree ...

 

Edited April 26 by Sleepy1968
clarification

[Mr Popodopolous]

49 minutes ago, Scrumpy Dziek said:

And that shows how many seats can be booked in the Atyeo, which is under 4000.

Where did the often quoted 4200 come from? Or have seats been removed?

Thjs s a bit of a hobbyhorse of mine.

*I recall the Atyeo wheb it was a Home Only stand held 4,200. I will try and find it.

*That by @IAmNick adds up to 3,900.

*However @JerrySLO said 3,414 said the max ae permitted by the SAG for football.

That latter point I have a serious issue with, anywhere between 10-20% of capacity has been vanished away into thin air.  Or I should say there is a serious transparency issue there IMO. That is 1.5-3% of stadium capacity too

*How was the decision arose at?

*Who made it?

*What was the specific rationale?

*Who were the relevant Officers in respect of it?

Are wholly valid questions I would say.

This bit is from a thread during the redevelopment.

Edited April 26 by Mr Popodopolous

[Mr Popodopolous]

When we consider that the stand is separate from the other 3, a cloak and dagger cut of anything up to 800 seats...not acceptable.

Certainly aligned with the lack of transparency or official announcement. Relative to other Stadia and their segregation by comparison even more so.

Edited April 26 by Mr Popodopolous

[IAmNick]

21 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Thjs s a bit of a hobbyhorse of mine.

*I recall the Atyeo wheb it was a Home Only stand held 4,200. I will try and find it.

*That by @IAmNick adds up to 3,900.

*However @JerrySLO said 3,414 said the max ae permitted by the SAG for football.

That latter point I have a serious issue with, anywhere between 10-20% of capacity has been vanished away into thin air.  Or I should say there is a serious transparency issue there IMO. That is 1.5-3% of stadium capacity too

*How was the decision arose at?

*Who made it?

*What was the specific rationale?

*Who were the relevant Officers in respect of it?

Are wholly valid questions I would say.

This bit is from a thread during the redevelopment.

Could it be things like the little camera gantry which is permanently up at the back now for example - probably takes up a fair few seats. Might be in new numbers, not in old ones.

Maybe some counts include the accessible spaces down near the front, as part of the stand, some consider them separately?

Just ideas - isn't necessarily suspicious.

[REDOXO]

41 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

1. 12k+

2. Two reasons: They are trying to increase bums on seats, seeing as the South Stand attendances have been hugely under capacity for many games, with all tickets sold to ST holders (as in Sold Out). Also gives us cheaper POTD alternative.

3. I think some people got the wrong end of the stick. Ain't no way the Club would limit ST sales below the proscribed limit (there have to be a certain percent of POTD tickets available.)

Waits for people to disagree ...

 

Thanks. Very helpful! Do we know what the% POTD is?

[Davefevs]

Based on Nick’s handiwork here is the capacity:

I’m sure some of the Atyeo is reduced down for whatever reasons.

I ended up with this based on Nick’s rationale (remove if 100% full).

So if you add 2.5k(ish) in SS, that ought to leave a bit number of POTD for SS.

[Mr Popodopolous]

37 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

Could it be things like the little camera gantry which is permanently up at the back now for example - probably takes up a fair few seats. Might be in new numbers, not in old ones.

Maybe some counts include the accessible spaces down near the front, as part of the stand, some consider them separately?

Just ideas - isn't necessarily suspicious.

Fair points, perhaps yeah.

If some of this changed post redevelopment, then it could account for the change in capacity but it seems to have been designated by the Safety Advisory Group.

[mozo]

Just now, Davefevs said:

Based on Nick’s handiwork here is the capacity:

I’m sure some of the Atyeo is reduced down for whatever reasons.

I ended up with this based on Nick’s rationale (remove if 100% full).

So if you add 2.5k(ish) in SS, that ought to leave a bit number of POTD for SS.

26.5k was mentioned in the GM interview I think. So that looks right

[Guest]

The reason why the Atyeo has dropped in capacity is that with the redevelopment the right corner as you look at it is never used as now only offers restricted views due to the pitch moving. Seems a big drop i agree but that definitely account for some of it

[IAmNick]

5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Based on Nick’s handiwork here is the capacity:

I’m sure some of the Atyeo is reduced down for whatever reasons.

I ended up with this based on Nick’s rationale (remove if 100% full).

So if you add 2.5k(ish) in SS, that ought to leave a bit number of POTD for SS.

I happened across this site which has the data on it, which might be updated a bit more later after it's owner (whoever that may be) collects his kid from nursery and gives them dinner:

http://iamnick.xyz/

[Mr Popodopolous]

5 minutes ago, BS30 City said:

The reason why the Atyeo has dropped in capacity is that with the redevelopment the right corner as you look at it is never used as now only offers restricted views due to the pitch moving. Seems a big drop i agree but that definitely account for some of it

Thanks. That accounts for some

Mandated by the Safety Advisory Group doesn't fully account for restricted views however.

It also reduces scope to split the Atyeo say. I appreciate Restricted views mean lower prices in the relevant areas I assume, I get it on one level. That's more a Commercial rather than Safety rationale though?

[eardun]

1 hour ago, Sleepy1968 said:

1. 12k+

2. Two reasons: They are trying to increase bums on seats, seeing as the South Stand attendances have been hugely under capacity for many games, with all tickets sold to ST holders (as in Sold Out). Also gives us cheaper POTD alternative.

3. I think some people got the wrong end of the stick. Ain't no way the Club would limit ST sales below the proscribed limit (there have to be a certain percent of POTD tickets available.)

Waits for people to disagree ...

 

On point 3, we’re just going on what Gavin Marshall said in the FBC podcast when he says we have 15k season ticket holders currently and (direct quote) “we probably don’t want to have that many more season ticket holders”.

He then goes onto talk about getting POTD seats in the SS by reducing season tickets there (ensures a mix of different fans in the SS like in the other stands) which is your point 2. This is consistent with what they said when they launched season tickets which was this:

“Following feedback at the Fans Forum in November, where there was a collective desire to improve matchday atmosphere, we have made a number of changes to try and increase matchday attendance, particularly in the South Stand by capping the number of Season Tickets to enable more match tickets to be made available here.”

I think someone said there is an EFL cap on percentage of season tickets but I’ve not seen it. However City themselves don’t seem to want to sell many more than 15k (if you take what GM says at face value) which would leave around 8k for POTD (home fans only). Their comms keep stating that there are limited tickets available. Of course they might be tested if people keep buying even after they get to, say, 16k - are they really going to say ‘no thanks’?! Not convinced they will sell that many though. 

 

[Numero Uno]

29 minutes ago, eardun said:

On point 3, we’re just going on what Gavin Marshall said in the FBC podcast when he says we have 15k season ticket holders currently and (direct quote) “we probably don’t want to have that many more season ticket holders”.

He then goes onto talk about getting POTD seats in the SS by reducing season tickets there (ensures a mix of different fans in the SS like in the other stands) which is your point 2. This is consistent with what they said when they launched season tickets which was this:

“Following feedback at the Fans Forum in November, where there was a collective desire to improve matchday atmosphere, we have made a number of changes to try and increase matchday attendance, particularly in the South Stand by capping the number of Season Tickets to enable more match tickets to be made available here.”

I think someone said there is an EFL cap on percentage of season tickets but I’ve not seen it. However City themselves don’t seem to want to sell many more than 15k (if you take what GM says at face value) which would leave around 8k for POTD (home fans only). Their comms keep stating that there are limited tickets available. Of course they might be tested if people keep buying even after they get to, say, 16k - are they really going to say ‘no thanks’?! Not convinced they will sell that many though. 

 

15k is presumably THIS seasons figure? As it stands we have something over 12k for next season. With people not renewing I can’t see us reaching 14k, in fact nearer 13k would be my guess. Unless we really splash the cash he won’t need to worry about applying an upper limit for sales.

[Sleepy1968]

1 hour ago, eardun said:

On point 3, we’re just going on what Gavin Marshall said in the FBC podcast when he says we have 15k season ticket holders currently and (direct quote) “we probably don’t want to have that many more season ticket holders”.

He then goes onto talk about getting POTD seats in the SS by reducing season tickets there (ensures a mix of different fans in the SS like in the other stands) which is your point 2. This is consistent with what they said when they launched season tickets which was this:

“Following feedback at the Fans Forum in November, where there was a collective desire to improve matchday atmosphere, we have made a number of changes to try and increase matchday attendance, particularly in the South Stand by capping the number of Season Tickets to enable more match tickets to be made available here.”

I think someone said there is an EFL cap on percentage of season tickets but I’ve not seen it. However City themselves don’t seem to want to sell many more than 15k (if you take what GM says at face value) which would leave around 8k for POTD (home fans only). Their comms keep stating that there are limited tickets available. Of course they might be tested if people keep buying even after they get to, say, 16k - are they really going to say ‘no thanks’?! Not convinced they will sell that many though. 

 

I get you. You are right but I just don't want believe what he says. We aren't supported anything like well enough for this to be a good idea.

I'm hoping it's a marketing gimmick to try to generate more ST sales, but if its not, I look forward seeing how it plays out.

[eardun]

1 hour ago, Numero Uno said:

15k is presumably THIS seasons figure? As it stands we have something over 12k for next season. With people not renewing I can’t see us reaching 14k, in fact nearer 13k would be my guess. Unless we really splash the cash he won’t need to worry about applying an upper limit for sales.

Yes 15k is this season’s figure - and that includes half season tickets. So 3k haven’t renewed. So final total will depend on how many new season tickets are sold now and how many half season tickets are sold in December. 

[REDOXO]

4 hours ago, REDOXO said:

I am so confused! 
 

How many season tickets have actually been sold to supporters?

How is withholding seats in the South Stand advantageous to the football club?

Am I off base here, but are the club threatening/implying they will limit sales of season tickets at a relatively low level? 
 

All help appreciated!

Hate quoting myself sorry!

58 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

I get you. You are right but I just don't want believe what he says. We aren't supported anything like well enough for this to be a good idea.

I'm hoping it's a marketing gimmick to try to generate more ST sales, but if its not, I look forward seeing how it plays out.

Thats how I took that statement…..Renew now or very soon as we may not sell you a season ticket! I hope that was not what was meant, however I won’t renew mine until I see commitment to support THEIR guy in all areas where necessary! 

Personally I think we have players who are coming through who are earning a chance plus Benarous Atkinson etc, so I don’t necessarily mean purchases. But if we sell Conway/Knight/Pring etc I expect to have an idea how that is to be reinvested. 
 

The CFO of BS stated on FBC words to the effect that there never was a ‘nest egg’ and much of the money was already spent. Thus I’m not sure where the nest egg comment came from but that particular bloke needs to STFU! 
 

For my tuppence I’ll buy mine in July if I see that commitment. If they won’t sell me one then, if I deem it worthy they shalt GO **** Themselves ! 

Edited April 26 by REDOXO

[redsquirrel]

5 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

Hate quoting myself sorry!

Thats how I took that statement…..Renew now or very soon as we may not sell you a season ticket! I hope that was not what was meant, however I won’t renew mine until I see commitment to support THEIR guy in all areas where necessary! 

Personally I think we have players who are coming through who are earning a chance plus Benarous Atkinson etc, so I don’t necessarily mean purchases. But if we sell Conway/Knight/Pring etc I expect to have an idea how that is to be reinvested. 
 

The CFO of BS stated on FBC words to the effect that there never was a ‘nest egg’ and much of the money was already spent. Thus I’m not sure where the nest egg comment came from but that particular bloke needs to STFU! 
 

For my tuppence I’ll buy mine in July if I see that commitment. If they won’t sell me one then, if I deem it worthy they shalt GO **** Themselves ! 

we might both be exeter fans by then anyway mate  (or plymuff)

[Sleepy1968]

1 hour ago, REDOXO said:

For my tuppence I’ll buy mine in July if I see that commitment. If they won’t sell me one then, if I deem it worthy they shalt GO **** Themselves ! 

I waited after the play off final failure v Brighton. Then we sold Leroy Lita. So I didn't renew, and missed a few years - and came back after the Hull play off final failure.

[Mr Popodopolous]

I'm hoping we sell nobody or at worst Conway.

If we sell Conway as we take the reluctant decision as he won't sign s new deal, we have to reinvest a decent amount of the Scott and Conway cash.

Ideally James and Williams can be kept on

 

[Superjack]

On 25/04/2024 at 12:33, pillred said:

If it goes wrong with Manning you will have every right to say I told you so, but I would hope that you would be brave enough to admit you were completely wrong if it goes well, my money is on you having to do the latter, I bet with us being the ONLY unbeaten Championship side in the last six games you are already thinking of ways of backing down because if we carry on being successful you will look a bit daft if you don't. 

We were shit and he said so 

 

We've had a few good games and he has said so. 

 

I don't see what is daft about that.

[pillred]

1 hour ago, Superjack said:

We were shit and he said so 

 

We've had a few good games and he has said so. 

 

I don't see what is daft about that.

Any praise has been through gritted teeth and always with caveats, he has said he will admit he was wrong if we carry on our form, but again I feel he will be looking for the slightest dip in form or results to revert to type, he has been almost non-stop moaning since manning started, and in my eyes at least has been myopic. 

[Superjack]

1 minute ago, pillred said:

Any praise has been through gritted teeth and always with caveats, he has said he will admit he was wrong if we carry on our form, but again I feel he will be looking for the slightest dip in form or results to revert to type, he has been almost non-stop moaning since manning started, and in my eyes at least has been myopic. 

Conjecture on your part, to be fair.

He doesn't rate Manning. Nor do I. But I will be happy to be proved wrong. 

The reason that I won't give the club another penny of my money is the people that own it. 

My problem lies with three people above Manning. 

I think he is the same tbh.

[slartibartfast]

1 hour ago, Superjack said:

Conjecture on your part, to be fair.

He doesn't rate Manning. Nor do I. But I will be happy to be proved wrong. 

The reason that I won't give the club another penny of my money is the people that own it. 

My problem lies with three people above Manning. 

I think he is the same tbh.

So you won't be watching any streams etc. then ?

[W-S-M Seagull]

10 hours ago, Sleepy1968 said:

1. 12k+

2. Two reasons: They are trying to increase bums on seats, seeing as the South Stand attendances have been hugely under capacity for many games, with all tickets sold to ST holders (as in Sold Out). Also gives us cheaper POTD alternative.

3. I think some people got the wrong end of the stick. Ain't no way the Club would limit ST sales below the proscribed limit (there have to be a certain percent of POTD tickets available.)

Waits for people to disagree ...

 

Gavin Marshall did say that we are looking to not have too many more season ticket holders than we currently have. 

[W-S-M Seagull]

1 hour ago, Superjack said:

Conjecture on your part, to be fair.

He doesn't rate Manning. Nor do I. But I will be happy to be proved wrong. 

The reason that I won't give the club another penny of my money is the people that own it. 

My problem lies with three people above Manning. 

I think he is the same tbh.

You can't reason with these people mate. 

They consider genuine concern about how the club is run as an 'agenda' 

Apparently we all have to tow the line on a forum and must only post positive things. 

These people are incapable of any sort of critical thinking. 

Ultimately we have at the very most, stagnated this season. We all expected progression this season and I don't think there is any Bristol City fan that can genuinely say we have progressed this season. 

Ultimately that falls upon those who run the club but also Manning must take responsibility for that too because we have not progressed under him. 

6 games unbeaten is great, but it happened at a time where it is meaningless. No one wants to talk about the bad runs, when it actually mattered, because that doesn't suit their narrative. 

If people rate Manning, fair play. You won't see me trolling them because of their support of Manning. Yet some people just can't help themselves because I don't rate him and I don't think he is the guy to take us forward. But apparently I'm not allowed to have those opinions. 

Edited April 27 by W-S-M Seagull

[Superjack]

3 hours ago, slartibartfast said:

So you won't be watching any streams etc. then ?

None that I know line the Lansdowns pockets, no.

[ashton_fan]

I think the South Stand often looks sparsely populated as people buy a ticket there then go and sit in an unused seat in the Lansdown, particularly for the second half. There's nothing to stop them as nobody checks the tickets.

[Ashton Fete]

6 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

You can't reason with these people mate. 

They consider genuine concern about how the club is run as an 'agenda' 

Apparently we all have to tow the line on a forum and must only post positive things. 

These people are incapable of any sort of critical thinking. 

Ultimately we have at the very most, stagnated this season. We all expected progression this season and I don't think there is any Bristol City fan that can genuinely say we have progressed this season. 

Ultimately that falls upon those who run the club but also Manning must take responsibility for that too because we have not progressed under him. 

6 games unbeaten is great, but it happened at a time where it is meaningless. No one wants to talk about the bad runs, when it actually mattered, because that doesn't suit their narrative. 

If people rate Manning, fair play. You won't see me trolling them because of their support of Manning. Yet some people just can't help themselves because I don't rate him and I don't think he is the guy to take us forward. But apparently I'm not allowed to have those opinions. 

Spot on.  I’m starting to see signs of progression but we’ll only know if that’s realised in the first 10 games of next season and if I’m wrong I’m wrong.

It’s a forum, we’re allowed to have different opinions without becoming Sherlock Holmes and assuming it’s because of an X or Y agenda and especially not becoming personal about it. 

 

 

[Street red]

6 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

You can't reason with these people mate. 

They consider genuine concern about how the club is run as an 'agenda' 

Apparently we all have to tow the line on a forum and must only post positive things. 

These people are incapable of any sort of critical thinking. 

Ultimately we have at the very most, stagnated this season. We all expected progression this season and I don't think there is any Bristol City fan that can genuinely say we have progressed this season. 

Ultimately that falls upon those who run the club but also Manning must take responsibility for that too because we have not progressed under him. 

6 games unbeaten is great, but it happened at a time where it is meaningless. No one wants to talk about the bad runs, when it actually mattered, because that doesn't suit their narrative. 

If people rate Manning, fair play. You won't see me trolling them because of their support of Manning. Yet some people just can't help themselves because I don't rate him and I don't think he is the guy to take us forward. But apparently I'm not allowed to have those opinions. 

6 games unbeaten with nothing to play for apart from finishing position. The pressures off just look when the pressure was on manning! That's what concerns me,The pressure comes back on next season from day one let's see how he handles it.

As for the owners well over 20 years of stupid football decisions nothings going to change. Repeat repeat repeat.