Bat Fastard Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 This may interest some on here. Bristol City: How Championship club became a factory for homegrown talent - BBC Sport 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Monkeh Posted March 23 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 23 Alot of puff pieces coming out all of a sudden, its as if the club knows they f'd and are now running damage limitation You want to quell the unrest instead of running puff pieces in the media do better by the fans please 31 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 The academy is credited with Alex Scott in that piece which we all know isn’t valid. Good to hear the work going into Knight-Lebel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkhamred Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 6 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: The academy is credited with Alex Scott in that piece which we all know isn’t valid. Good to hear the work going into Knight-Lebel. But how many minutes has he actually played!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 "This has been a long process, this hasn't happened overnight. This probably started with Brian Tinnion, who is now our technical director," Bristol City player pathway manager Trevor Challis told BBC Sport. Its just so transparent. It says we want to be a Cat 1 academy but both Jon Lansdown and Tinnion have said we haven’t. They just get a consistent message on anything. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 3 minutes ago, Barkhamred said: But how many minutes has he actually played!? Not many as dropping Vyner or Dickie would be bizarre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 I stopped reading at behaviours. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Monkeh said: Alot of puff pieces coming out all of a sudden, its as if the club knows they f'd and are now running damage limitation You want to quell the unrest instead of running puff pieces in the media do better by the fans please They could have easily run this same piece with Blackburn. Just 'happens' to be a focus on us, written by the BBC editorial author for the West of England (Sophie Hurcom covers some of our game write ups) who happens to have contact with the club via BBC Bristol. It's a fluff piece. About the one topic I don't doubt Tinnion's knowledge of. Ultimately doesn't mean alot when we're sliding down the table in a nothing season with Conway likely to leave for prospective pennies in the summer. Edited March 23 by Fuber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 It been a long standing ambition of SL to have a squad made up with a combination of youth and experience that’s capable holding its own in the Championship and pushing for the promised land. This article shows that much of ambition is being fulfilled- apart from the ultimate ambition of reaching the PL. Let’s not forget that Tinnion played an impressive part in developing and raising the profile of our academy and maybe his elevation into his current position is a reward for his efforts. I really don’t think that he deserves all the shit that he gets on here. 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 1 minute ago, Robbored said: It been a long standing ambition of SL to have a squad made up with a combination of youth and experience that’s capable holding its own in the Championship and pushing for the promised land. This article shows that much of ambition is being fulfilled- apart from the ultimate ambition of reaching the PL. Let’s not forget that Tinnion played an impressive part in developing and raising the profile of our academy and maybe his elevation into his current position is a reward for his efforts. I really don’t think that he deserves all the shit that he gets on here. I'd didn't have an issue with Tinnion heading up the academy. But as I pointed out onto he 2024 record thread - none of the players in the first team over the last years (Bell, Conway, O'Leary, Vyner, Reid, Bryan) aside from Scott (SL/Dale Vance), and Semenyo are attributable to him. As he was head of player recruitment up until Probert left, he only became director (officially) then (https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/tinnion-appointed-academy-director/) He should not be both Technical Director and Academy Director - end of story. 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Fox Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 Well done the Academy and all involved, it’s nice to have a good news story, and should be congratulations all round. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 20 minutes ago, Robbored said: It been a long standing ambition of SL to have a squad made up with a combination of youth and experience that’s capable holding its own in the Championship and pushing for the promised land. This article shows that much of ambition is being fulfilled- apart from the ultimate ambition of reaching the PL. Let’s not forget that Tinnion played an impressive part in developing and raising the profile of our academy and maybe his elevation into his current position is a reward for his efforts. I really don’t think that he deserves all the shit that he gets on here. if that was the case, they should have made him assistant td under someone who knows what they are doing so he could learn from it before jumping into the deep end 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westonred Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 (edited) The trouble is we dont see the benefits of the Academy as soon as a player is good enough we sell them Edited March 23 by westonred 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 Cheeky plug for the Youth Cup as well. I for one cannot wait for that semi-final, the climax of our season that everyone has been working so hard to achieve. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 45 minutes ago, Robbored said: really don’t think that he deserves all the shit that he gets on here Do you do this on purpose ? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 The Youth stuff I'm absolutely happy with. It is all the other stuff that is a big issue atm but there is a certain pride to seeing multiple young or not quite so young but still Academy based in and around the first team at a decent level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbytheriver Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 A lot of this is down to Nige! 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 (edited) 57 minutes ago, westonred said: The trouble is we dont see the benefits of the Academy as soon as a player is good enough we sell Our past Business model and subsequent failings of said Business Model rather forced our hand with a number of these. The rest now is Pring, Conway and maybe others if they attract interest. We don't have to sell for FFP reasons. Edited March 23 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 Still think it's dubious to credit the academy with Semenyo, Scott and Pring. All were in it for a short time but they're hardly academy "produced". 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Still think it's dubious to credit the academy with Semenyo, Scott and Pring. All were in it for a short time but they're hardly academy "produced". Narrative narrative narrative 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted March 23 Author Report Share Posted March 23 1 hour ago, westonred said: The trouble is we dont see the benefits of the Academy as soon as a player is good enough we sell them If they are sold for good fees, the cash can be used to build the squad and to keep us within FFP limits. It is a vital part of our club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 4 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Still think it's dubious to credit the academy with Semenyo, Scott and Pring. All were in it for a short time but they're hardly academy "produced". Yeah, whilst you can’t pick everyone up at 8 years of age, there’s probably some qualification we as fans add to this to give a truer sense of “produced” isn’t there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 1 minute ago, Bat Fastard said: If they are sold for good fees, the cash can be used to build the squad and to keep us within FFP limits. It is a vital part of our club. I bet if you looked at the cost of our academy in the last 10 years or so and the transfer fees received, it would show a better return than the “buy to sell” strategy. Not saying we should therefore abandon buy to sell, but we should challenge / critique its success (lack of) and ask why we’ve not done very well in this respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 1 hour ago, westonred said: The trouble is we dont see the benefits of the Academy as soon as a player is good enough we sell them Which should be an issue as long as we recruit well enough - as to whether BT can spot a (not-youth) player is a different story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted March 23 Author Report Share Posted March 23 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I bet if you looked at the cost of our academy in the last 10 years or so and the transfer fees received, it would show a better return than the “buy to sell” strategy. Not saying we should therefore abandon buy to sell, but we should challenge / critique its success (lack of) and ask why we’ve not done very well in this respect. I would expect that the wages paid to youth products will be lower as well. Win win! All we lose is experience and know how, and that has to be bought in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 20 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I bet if you looked at the cost of our academy in the last 10 years or so and the transfer fees received, it would show a better return than the “buy to sell” strategy. Not saying we should therefore abandon buy to sell, but we should challenge / critique its success (lack of) and ask why we’ve not done very well in this respect. Agreed Dave. We shouldn't go back to buy to sell (IMO). Exception not rule. It was a product of its time, It was ultimately unsuccessful in so far as we didn't go up and we ended up in a mess..NP rightly called it bonkers. That was what alarmed me more than a possible slowdown in spending when SL rambled on about nest eggs. A possible revisiting of that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 As noted, a bit of a puff piece. The 30% thing I think has to be put in context - nobody expects 2-3 players to break through to consistent first team players every year but there has to be a point where, similar to not classing them as “young” players, they’re not lumped in with academy players to prove a point. Max O’Leary is 10 years older than Ephraim Yeboah for example and is nearer 30 than 20, as is Zak. It’s fine pointing to Tommy, Sam as academy and proof things are working - or have been and were under Pearson. And it’s also true to say there’s been an intent to not play players to focus on the youth cup which has impacted the pathway. But I’m not sure that - collectively - it can be argued for players coming through the academy in the last five years that this season we’re a massive outlier from the norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.G.Red Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, johnbytheriver said: A lot of this is down to Nige! I'm glad Nigel did get a mention/credit. He certainly worked hard not only bringing young players into the First team but encouraging the First team to go down to the HPC. Edited March 23 by E.G.Red 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open End Numb Legs Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 46 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Still think it's dubious to credit the academy with Semenyo, Scott and Pring. All were in it for a short time but they're hardly academy "produced". I am going to err on the side of positivity here and say that most pro success stories depend on a player moving around a bit to other clubs whether on loan or permanent moves. It is part of how they develop and mature as players and people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 47 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Still think it's dubious to credit the academy with Semenyo, Scott and Pring. All were in it for a short time but they're hardly academy "produced". Completely agree. Who has actually came through the academy and either played a lot of games or been sold for good money? O’Leary Kelly Bryan Reid Vyner Cant think of anyone else. Is 5 a good return over the period of Tinnion’s involvement? Hard to say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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