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[Red-Robbo]

"I think the current owner and management of Bristol City is great!"  signed Stan Leavesdown. 

[The Original OTIB]

1 hour ago, Fredford89 said:

Mainly on BBC on match reports I regularly get in to discussions about the games and never get banned always been an observer of this forum

Have never explored that. Looking at it now. What name do you use over there?

[JP Hampton]

14 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

 

With newer members (and that includes those who’ve lurked and not posted), it’s the quality of the post that gets you more “respect” for want of a better term.  I’ve seen names come up recently that were new/irregular posters who I read and thought were a decent read - I’ll throw @JP Hampton in there. Hadn’t seen many posts of his until recently but now I look out for them.

And, disagreement is 100% healthy. We’re all city and want the best for the club. Thats why people who post “you want us to lose” get pretty short shrift!

 

Thanks @Silvio Dante  Funnily enough I was actually going write, that as a lurker but more recently regular poster, it’s not really been my experience of some of the other first time posters. I think if you have an opinion it’s how you go about delivering it that matters. I don’t think it’s what your opinion is per se.
  I’ve seen opinions differ between posters without any need for falling out or resorting to abuse. 

[The Original OTIB]

2 minutes ago, JP Hampton said:

Thanks @Silvio Dante  Funnily enough I was actually going write, that as a lurker but more recently regular poster, it’s not really been my experience of some of the other first time posters. I think if you have an opinion it’s how you go about delivering it that matters. I don’t think it’s what your opinion is per se.
  I’ve seen opinions differ between posters without any need for falling out or resorting to abuse. 

Timing is important. I can understand lurking and not posting, but we've had much higher and lower times over the years, so often one thinks, "why now?" whilst also looking at other context. As you mention, it is also not what you say but how you say it. 

[Red-Robbo]

6 hours ago, Jerseybean said:

Plymouth fans of a certain age will always associate this fixture with Argyle beating us 4-0 at Home Park to secure promotion from the old third division in 1986. Attendance was officially announced at 19,900 reflecting the safety certificate in place at the time, which was half the actual capacity (when the ground was 90 per cent terracing), but the ground was packed. Easily 30,000 plus in attendance for a third tier fixture in the 1980s which must have been very rare. https://youtu.be/K8FmDpNTBwI

Under the lights, at Ashton Gate, back in September we won 4-1, highlights: https://www.bcfc.co.uk/city-men-news/extended-highlights-bristol-city-4-1-plymouth-argyle/

We have sold our maximum allocation of 1,739 tickets for the trip to Home Park, so it could be quite a noisy affair.

Like many of today’s modern sides, Argyle started out in a small way and in fact were an off-shoot of an amateur set-up known as Argyle Athletic Club. Various versions have been told of their origin, but the most feasible is that in 1886 a few keen former college pupils and public school boys met at the Borough Arms to discuss the formation of an athletic club in the Mutley area of Plymouth. Soccer was to be part of the activities from the start in those days when rugby was the main sport in the “Three Towns”, which consisted of Plymouth, Devonport and Stonehouse.

The name ‘Argyle’ is unusual to say the least, so controversy surrounds how the name was adopted. One school of thought says that it derived from a local street named Argyle Terrace where the club’s committee used to meet in The Argyle Hotel. Another says that the club was named Argyle in honour of the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders who were stationed at the time in Plymouth and whose football skills were much admired. Or was it that  ‘Argyll’ and ‘Argyle’ were fashionable names at the time due to Queen Victoria’s’ fascination with all things Scottish?

Plymouth Argyle have embraced two different badges through their history. One is in fact the shield in the arms of the city and county borough’s council, on record at the Heralds’ College. It shows the saltire of St Andrew, to whom the mother church of Plymouth is dedicated. The four towers represent fortifications.

The more familiar badge is the one that depicts the Mayflower which sailed from Plymouth to America in 1620, carrying the early settling Pilgrims to the New World, and also giving rise to the illustrious nickname.

Onto more recent times. They signed Spanish defender Julio Pleguezuelo. The 26-year-old agreed a two-year deal after leaving Dutch top-flight side FC Twente and is the first Spanish player to ever join the Pilgrims, https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65978721

In January they added Tottenham defender Ashley Phillips on loan until the end of the season. They also signed Leeds United midfielder Darko Gyabi on loan until the end of the season. The 19-year-old worked with new Argyle head coach Ian Foster when he was in charge of the England Under-20s side. He has played five times for Leeds since moving to the club from Manchester City in the summer of 2022. He is however set to miss the rest of the season with a groin injury and has returned to parent club Leeds United. He made 10 appearances for the Championship strugglers after joining on loan in January.

Also signed Tottenham Hotspur midfielder Alfie Devine on loan until the end of the season. The 19-year-old spent the first half of the campaign at Port Vale where he scored three goals in 26 appearances. They also signed Lino Sousa on loan after the England Under-19s left-back joined Aston Villa from Arsenal.

In December they lost their gaffer Steven Schumacher to Stoke City, https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67753445, they named former England Under-20 manager Ian Foster as their new head coach, in January. The ex-Liverpool academy player, 47, was working as Steven Gerrard's number two at Al-Ettifaq, in Saudi Arabia.

Head-to-head record:

Won: 27

Lost: 23

Drawn: 13

Sports Mole preview: https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/plymouth-argyle/preview/preview-plymouth-vs-bristol-city-prediction-team-news-lineups_540101.html?cQx=NN&newsnow

On Good Friday they lost 2-1 away at Norwich, with both the Canaries goals coming from corners. They currently occupy 20th  place with 41 points.

Referee is Keith Stroud. He will be assisted by Matthew Smith and Robert Hyde; David Rock is the fourth official.

Played for both teams:

Kieran Agard, Paul Anderson, Ian Baird, Tyreeq Bakinson, Andre Blackman, Yannick Bolasie, Joe Bryan, Richard Davis, Keith Fear, Arnold Garita, Rene Gilmartin, Trevor Jacobs, Joe Lennox, Guy Madjo, Sean McCarthy, Alan Miller, Kevin Nugent, Karleigh Osborne, Scott Partridge, Forbes Phillipson-Masters, Bobby Reid, Gary Sawyer, Steven Sessegnon, Enoch Showunmi, Phil Starbuck, Ryan Taylor, Robbie Turner, Zak Vyner and David Burnside.

Well known fans include:

• Michael Foot - Former politician.
• Josh Widdicombe - Comedian.
• Jeff Brazier - TV presenter.
• Evander Holyfield - Heavyweight boxing legend.

In April Argyle’s return to the second tier for the first time since 2010 was confirmed, https://youtu.be/jybZxpN06gE

They were crowned League One champions after coming from behind to win at Port Vale on the final day of the season.

Guide to Home Park: https://footballgroundguide.com/leagues/england/league-one/home-park-plymouth-argyle.html

We last faced them in the league in 2010 when they beat us 3-2 with a 90th minute winner, we have played them twice in the League Cup since.

Our 2010 team was:

Dean Gerken

Louis Carey

Jamie McAllister

Liam Fontaine

Bradley Orr

Jamal Campbell-Ryce

Marvin Elliott

Cole Skuse

Ivan Sproule

Stefan Maierhofer

Nicky Maynard

Our bench:

Stephen Henderson

Christian Ribeiro

Lewin Nyatanga

Paul Hartley

Lee Johnson

David Clarkson

Danny Haynes

We played them in a pre-season friendly in July 2022. A late goal from Nahki Wells was enough for us claim victory on a day of sizzling sunshine at Home Park: https://youtu.be/PZfqdGnsvPI?si=ytJoeoZcDYQtLm59

Plymouth facts

Unbelievably, 50 years ago the Pilgrims managed to beat Pele and his Santos side. March 14, 1973, saw almost 40,000 fans crowd both inside and outside of Home Park to watch the spectacle between Plymouth Argyle and Santos FC - who were taking part in a European tour that brought them down to the South West. The friendly match resulted in a 3-2 win to Argyle, the three goals by the home side being scored by Derek Rickard, Mike Dowling and Jimmy Hinch. While Pele and Edu clawed back two, it wasn’t enough to avoid defeat.

Plymouth has always caught the attention of prominent Naval powers, but in 1815 it was a Naval power that caught the attention of Plymouth. After Napoleon Bonaparte’s defeat at the Battle of Waterloo in 1815, he surrendered himself and was held on the HMS Bellerophon. After nine days of sailing, the boat arrived first in Brixham but then moved to Plymouth Sound where he was temporarily held. The news spread and for 10 days the Sound became an absolute hotbed, attracting tourists not just from the South West but all across the country. In one day, 8000 people took to the water in small boats hoping to get a better look at this notorious enemy.

The bakery that supplied the Pilgrims is still open. Jacka Bakery and Delicatessen on the Barbican is Britain's oldest commercially working bakery, dating all the way back to 1597. In the over 400 years it has seen 20 reigning monarchs and is said to have supplied the Pilgrim Fathers with biscuits on their maiden Mayflower voyage of discovery.

On the topic of old buildings, Plymouth’s Orthodox Jewish Synagogue dates back to 1762. It holds the European record for over 250 years of uninterrupted use. The history behind the building is incredible, having survived not only a hostile religious climate against Jews, but also being one of just two buildings that survived the German bombing on Catherine Street. It also narrowly escaped being literally wiped off the map by Patrick Abercrombie, a town planner who was responsible for rebuilding demolished post-war buildings. The humble building still operates today and is open to pre-booked visitors practising and not.

The local coastline has attracted some interesting aquatic animals. One of the most popular was Snorkel the Loggerhead turtle, which washed up on a Cornish Shore in 1990. Snorkel lived in the National Marine Aquarium for 15 years and reached her late 20s until she died as a result of health complications. Mad Jack’ is one of the city’s slightly less well known aquatic characters. The lobster was caught by a Plymouth fishing crew back in 2008 and weighed in at 12lb 9oz (5.7kg), this monster was thought to be somewhere between 50 and 100 years old and also became a resident at the Aquarium. But perhaps the most daunting is the barrel jellyfish that washed up on the Turnchapel Wharf slipway. These are the UK’s largest species of jellyfish, weighing up to 35kg (a staggering 5.5 stone) - thankfully their size is the only terrifying thing about them, as their stings are relatively harmless to humans.

The original fort of the Citadel was built in the 1590s under Sir Francis Drake’s advice, allowing for the strategic defence of the city’s waters. But years later, the civil war which drove Parliament into a brutal battle against the monarchy put the city in the bad books of King Charles II as we, unfortunately, picked the losing side. The Royal Citadel was then built by Bernard De Gomme under the King’s directions, but its strange design incorporated the ability for the guns to turn on Plymouth folk if they ever made the choice to revolt against the monarchy again.

Plymouth Gin is arguably some of the finest in the country, although the locals love of it may very well be to their detriment judging by how the Barbican looks on a Saturday night. Plymouth Gin is distilled in Plymouth’s Black Friars Distillery, which is the oldest working gin distillery in England - operating since 1793. Not only this, but the building was originally a monastery built in 1431 which housed some of the Pilgrim Fathers on their final night in England.

Plymouth Tea opened Devon’s first tea plantation, on the banks of the River Tavy. It’s only the second plantation in England. Also, somehow, Plymouth managed to nab the title of oldest pasty recipe from their pasty-loving neighbours. Discovered within one of the Plymouth Borough account books, the nation’s oldest pasty recipe dating way back to 1510.

Plymouth sweets are a global phenomenon too, gum made in Plymouth’s Wrigley factory is enjoyed in over 180 countries globally. The factory produces a jaw-dropping three million packets of gum per day.

Janner was originally an 18th and early 19th century seafarer's term of contempt for non-nautical people who lived in ports (literally "Johns"). In other places this has died out, but in Plymouth it's still used and adopted as a badge of pride.

Although the club nickname themselves "the Pilgrims" no Pilgrim, or any other passenger on the Mayflower, came from Plymouth. One, Francis Eaton, did come from Bristol however. 

Pubs

James Street Vaults, 24 James Street, Plymouth, PL4 6EQ, https://www.jsvplymouth.co.uk Almost engulfed by the ever expanding university campus, this is a predominantly student pub. Up to four ales can be available, with Dartmoor Jail Ale and Legend, and St Austell Proper Job supplementing the Tribute. Butcombe Bitter, Brains SA Gold and Caledonia Golden XPA also feature occasionally.

Britannia – a Wetherspoons outlet around 10 minutes from the ground by foot – welcomes travelling supporters.

Cherry Tree pub on Ham Drive, PL2 3NH, https://www.craftunionpubs.com/cherry-tree-pub-pennycross?utm_source=gmb&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=homepage

Hyde Park Social Club, 5 St Gabriel’s Avenue, PL3 4JQ is also 10 to 15 minutes from the stadium (but in the opposite direction) also welcomes away fans. https://www.hpscplymouth.co.uk

Further away from the ground try one of these three: https://thegoodpubguide.co.uk/?s=&gpg=Plymouth&pub_category=2-worth-a-visit

Let’s be loud and proud and make it a six point Easter at the Theatre of Greens.

 

Janners are ways claiming the Mayflower set off from Plymouth, but its home port and the beginning of the voyage was actually Southampton, it merely restocked in Plymouth and it also stopped in the Azores before leaving European territory. 

55 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

Does anyone know how Evander Holyfield became a Plymouth supporter?

On a different note HMS Bellerophon, which you mentioned, has an interesting history. The logbooks have survived and give an insight into life on board in the 1800s. There were several ex slaves on board who had escaped from slavery by swimming to the ship. In those days anyone who put one foot onboard one of His Majesty’s ships instantly became a free man. One of the ex slaves was a white American who had been captured whilst sailing off the coast of Africa. The logbooks show a level of meritocracy that didn’t exist outside of the navy. No mere sailor could rise to become an officer but they could rise to the top jobs below officer class. For example, black ex slaves became “top men”. This was one of the most difficult and dangerous jobs as they had to climb to to top of the masts in all weathers, storm or no storm, to manage the sails

Enough of the history - City to win 2-0

Top men - much admired by Geoff Twentyman

[Silvio Dante]

4 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said:

 it is also not what you say but how you say it. 

….and that’s what gets results…

 

[Robbored]

1 hour ago, johnwilkinson said:

I note that yet again a certain poster has succesfully derailed a serious thread into an irrelevant siding.

It happens of pretty much every thread Johnny. Threads rarely stay on topic. As you’re a new poster I’m sure you’ll get used to it eventually 

[The Original OTIB]

48 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

….and that’s what gets results…

 

Thought it was "behaviours".

[SomeRandomBristolian]

5 hours ago, BrizzleRed said:

Absolutely this.  

I detest cancel culture and totally believe everyone should have a right to express their views, whether popular on not.

That’s a very different thing to tossers who keep reappearing on here under a variety of different names, with the sole purpose of winding people up and trying to ruin what is a great forum. 

Maybe they get a twisted satisfaction that they’ve achieved something, but it detracts from many more peoples enjoyment of this board.
 

Spot on this BrizzleRed. I enjoy reading the froum. I don't tend to post to much myself, but I like reading people's opinions and thoughts. Its a good forum, and it shouldn't be ruined by a few people who troll or have nothing better to do with their time. 

[JP Hampton]

17 hours ago, The Original OTIB said:

Timing is important. I can understand lurking and not posting, but we've had much higher and lower times over the years, so often one thinks, "why now?" whilst also looking at other context. As you mention, it is also not what you say but how you say it. 

Yes true. For me, albeit a City fan for years, being too busy, often unwell or unavailable on Saturdays, it’s only in the last 6yrs or so that I’ve been a ST holder. I think it’s a completely different thing watching live games, as opposed to catching stuff on the radio or the occasional televised games, so it becomes more absorbing. So engaging in discussions post match becomes more compelling. 
  It was really the NP sacking that drew me in. 

[harvey54]

18 hours ago, Robbored said:

It happens of pretty much every thread Johnny. Threads rarely stay on topic. As you’re a new poster I’m sure you’ll get used to it eventually 

I never get used to it. My opinion is my opinion. If somebody doesn't agree I encourage constructive argument. Not just someone saying I'm wrong with baseless grounds. 

I've left this forum alone for long periods in the past because every thread seems to deteriorate into abuse and irrelevance. It's disappointing but then again it's symptomatic of people's inability nowadays to accept that someone else might not agree with them. 

(Stands back and waits for face palm emoji) 

[Sir Leigh of Somerset]

20 hours ago, Homer Simpson said:

Named my dog Penalty, after Lee Tomlin.

Every time I took him to the park the ****** took off and I couldn't find him.

I named my first dog 'Engineer' because every time i kicked him in the balls, he made a bolt for the door.....

(Apologies to all animal lovers - i didn't really - i named him 'Harley' because i wanted a motorbike and the wife wanted a dog - we compromised - i got to name the dog!)

[Robbored]

1 hour ago, harvey54 said:

I never get used to it. My opinion is my opinion. If somebody doesn't agree I encourage constructive argument. Not just someone saying I'm wrong with baseless grounds. 

Leaving the forum because of criticism is a snowflake attitude Harvey - a bit like cutting on your nose off to spite your face.

I suggest that you ‘man up’.

[42nite]

On 31/03/2024 at 11:00, Davefevs said:

Is there anything we can do to stop new accounts?

this Lez, Chris, Dog, etc thing is becoming a joke.

can we restrict posts to say 1 per day for 10 days, or something like that?

 

Simple solution I would imagine is to enable OTIB Supporters to view, add Emoji's and post. Cost £5.

People who don't want to pay £5 per year.... Members,  view only, no Emoji's or posting.

That should make  new posters think twice and would be a fair way of doing it...... In my opinion.

 

 

 

 

[JP Hampton]

1 minute ago, 42nite said:

 

Simple solution I would imagine is to enable OTIB Supporters to view, add Emoji's and post. Cost £5.

People who don't want to pay £5 per year.... Members,  view only, no Emoji's or posting.

That should make  new posters think twice and would be a fair way of doing it...... In my opinion.

 

 

 

 

I get your meaning but really I doubt £5 is going to stop most posters, even if it’s opening a few accounts, after bans . 

[Mike Hunt-Hertz]

20 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

"I think the current owner and management of Bristol City is great!"  signed Stan Leavesdown. 

And his loyal squire Brendan Tinpot is also blummin' brill too.

[Super]

I think newbies should have to take an exam 80% allows them onto the forum.

[cider hoss rules]

22 hours ago, Robbored said:

Over 4300 likes would suggest differently Red……….……..

38000 likes locked out……..

[Homer Simpson]

21 minutes ago, cider hoss rules said:

38000 likes locked out……..

You're confusing him with Robbogas.

[harvey54]

1 hour ago, Robbored said:

Leaving the forum because of criticism is a snowflake attitude Harvey - a bit like cutting on your nose off to spite your face.

I suggest that you ‘man up’.

Manning ups not an issue.

Suffering fools? Now that's different 

[Porto Red]

22 hours ago, JP Hampton said:

I was literally going to say the same thing. I don’t think there’s a post from RR that someone doesn’t pop up and make some bullying scathing comments! 
 Even perfectly measured comments from him come under attack. It’s not like he’s ever particularly controversial.
  Only yesterday when he was describing, on another thread, the state of the men’s toilets of old, he was referred to as having a “perverted fantasy”!!!  It didn’t even make sense.
It doesn’t sit well with me. Just bullying. 

I find your thought process valid and you're clearly a decent person. Having said that, let's re-evaluate once you've had to put up with him for 20 years. 

(See rest of thread for corRobboration.) 

[JP Hampton]

4 hours ago, Porto Red said:

I find your thought process valid and you're clearly a decent person. Having said that, let's re-evaluate once you've had to put up with him for 20 years. 

(See rest of thread for corRobboration.) 

  Well ok I’ve not “put up” with him for 20years, but we’ve all had people in our lives who irritate us, who we can’t escape, if you can be civil to people like that, then it’s surely much easier on a forum.

  It’s pretty simple not to engage with people and there’s no justification for some of the responses just because you’re finding someone annoying or whatever the problem is. 

[Charlie BCFC]

On 31/03/2024 at 11:00, Davefevs said:

Is there anything we can do to stop new accounts?

this Lez, Chris, Dog, etc thing is becoming a joke.

can we restrict posts to say 1 per day for 10 days, or something like that?

Out of interest what have they done? 

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

On 31/03/2024 at 16:39, Red-Robbo said:

"I think the current owner and management of Bristol City is great!"  signed Stan Leavesdown. 

Me too!

Or perhaps it should be - # me too.

[Davefevs]

24 minutes ago, Charlie BCFC said:

Out of interest what have they done? 

Got banned, not allowed to return under a new user name.

[Superjack]

6 hours ago, harvey54 said:

Manning ups not an issue.

Suffering fools? Now that's different 

Don't often see 'Manning' and 'up' in the same sentence.