CiderHider Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 No. Ron decided of his own volition to join in this thread. Is Ron is an official of the Trust and speaking on their behalf ? Or voicing his own opinion ?Ron still goes to school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Bristols Cider Army Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 So do I have to sign up to the supporters trust forum, or is it this forum here that is being managed by the ST in 20 minutes time??! Hello Dolly!Hi Lord in answer to your question no you don't have to sign up for the ST forum, although that has plenty of information on what is happening with regards to the trust, information that you might find interesting and information which is available to anyone with interest.This forum will not change, all that is happening is that members of the supporters trust will be moderating it, me being one of them. It will not affect people on here, no will it affect our members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 I suggest that any ST Trust Committee members (or however you are named) lay off this for a while and quickly consult as to how to answer these questions and have 1 spokesperson. I'm worried that this PR disaster is a prelude as to what is to come.Horrified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Hi Lord in answer to your question no you don't have to sign up for the ST forum, although that has plenty of information on what is happening with regards to the trust, information that you might find interesting and information which is available to anyone with interest.This forum will not change, all that is happening is that members of the supporters trust will be moderating it, me being one of them. It will not affect people on here, no will it affect our members.So are you lot intending to answer any of the questions about why this was done in the dark and why mods were only chosen from the party with no say for the rest of the users?Nibor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Maybe.I am questioning if a well meaning, hard working lad of 14 or 15 should be privvy to Trust information.We are then cos I am too. I'm also questioning why the trust had that info in the first place.Nibor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 I suggest that any ST Trust Committee members (or however you are named) lay off this for a while and quickly consult as to how to answer these questions and have 1 spokesperson. I'm worried that this PR disaster is a prelude as to what is to come.Horrified.agreedthe annoying thing is the cloak and dagger aspect of it all and long standing members ofthis forum were not consulted, why is that? hmmm i guess they dam well knewa lot of people would not like a few of the mods that were or are to be chosen. it's shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 We are then cos I am too. I'm also questioning why the trust had that info in the first place.NiborI think you already know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Hi Lord in answer to your question no you don't have to sign up for the ST forum, although that has plenty of information on what is happening with regards to the trust, information that you might find interesting and information which is available to anyone with interest.This forum will not change, all that is happening is that members of the supporters trust will be moderating it, me being one of them. It will not affect people on here, no will it affect our members.No offence meant, but, who are you?I view this forum quite often and this is the first post I have seen from you even though you have made 635 apparently!Did you previously post under another alias?Just intrigued. Sort of a get to know your mods kind of question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 No offence meant, but, who are you?I view this forum quite often and this is the first post I have seen from you even though you have made 635 apparently!Did you previously post under another alias?Just intrigued. Sort of a get to know your mods kind of questionSence the darkside in him do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 let's get this right..well i've said in theory the ST is a good idea but i've also said i'm not committing a pennyuntill i know who is running what as everything and everyone is in an acting role intheir jobs on the ST, elections i'm told are to happen? shouldn't the trust as a organizationget that sorted before they worry about sodding mods on a forum???now going by forum cock ups my money is staying in my wallet.this thread tops it off.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbert Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 No offence meant, but, who are you?I view this forum quite often and this is the first post I have seen from you even though you have made 635 apparently!Did you previously post under another alias?Just intrigued. Sort of a get to know your mods kind of questionNo offence meant, but, who are you?Did you previously post under another alias? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Sence the darkside in him do you?A Sith Lord he might be. Disturbing this is.I fear he has taken Dolly as his apprentice. Darth Fool has returned and this time she has PMT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 No offence meant, but, who are you?Did you previously post under another alias?Yes, but why is that relevant as i'm just a lowly member; this person is moderating our forum on our behalf.Simply trying to establish who he is. Don't really see what your problem with that would be. Hey-ho! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Bristols Cider Army Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 And you are ?I did post as North Bristols Cider Army, changed my name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 I did post as North Bristols Cider Army, changed my nameThanks for that See god bert. Not a big deal was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Bristols Cider Army Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Thanks for that See god bert. Not a big deal was it? And honestly nothing is going to change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted February 1, 2006 Admin Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Yes, but why is that relevant as i'm just a lowly member; this person is moderating our forum on our behalf. And it shouldn't take a mensa member to work out your previous moniker............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB. Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 let's get this right..well i've said in theory the ST is a good idea but i've also said i'm not committing a pennyuntill i know who is running what as everything and everyone is in an acting role intheir jobs on the ST, elections i'm told are to happen? shouldn't the trust as a organizationget that sorted before they worry about sodding mods on a forum???now going by forum cock ups my money is staying in my wallet.this thread tops it off..Hasn't this forum issue all but been forced upon them though?If it wasn't for them wouldn't it be shut now?We don't know how the modding will be yet, it might be fine and dandy.As for Ron answering our questions, I wish the club would take a leaf out of his book and be more honest about things. If they had of been, then a 14 and a half year old lad wouldn't have been in this position.I wander what else the Club aren't openly telling us. I wish their policy was honesty! If someone knows the real reasons as to why the forum was moved and the club distancing themselves from it, are they allowed to say or not? What about other things too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbert Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Yes, but why is that relevant as i'm just a lowly member; this person is moderating our forum on our behalf.Simply trying to establish who he is. Don't really see what your problem with that would be. Hey-ho! Ok, so I couldn't resist it and I am kind of curious as to if you were who i think!In fairness though, this person is moderating on behalf of the Supporters Trust, less so on our behalf as lowly members Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 And it shouldn't take a mensa member to work out your previous moniker.............i'm trying to forget those dark times. Please let it be in the past. I'm in to wookies and light-sabres now; screw flying around the internet reading binary code; it's not for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Hasn't this forum issue all but been forced upon them though?If it wasn't for them wouldn't it be shut now?We don't know how the modding will be yet, it might be fine and dandy.As for Ron answering our questions, I wish the club would take a leaf out of his book and be more honest about things. If they had of been, then a 14 and a half year old lad wouldn't have been in this position.I wander what else the Club aren't openly telling us. I wish their policy was honesty! If someone knows the real reasons as to why the forum was moved and the club distancing themselves from it, are they allowed to say or not? What about other things too?forum shut? dunno for sure but i can't see tom letting it go.fair points but reading other posts in this forum it has already raised questions,about modding, read the gas site about pm's..like i said otib should be independently run as should the trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbert Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 i'm trying to forget those dark times. Please let it be in the past. I'm in to wookies and light-sabres now; screw flying around the internet reading binary code; it's not for me.Ah excellent, pleased to hear that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Bristols Cider Army Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Ok, so I couldn't resist it and I am kind of curious as to if you were who i think!In fairness though, this person is moderating on behalf of the Supporters Trust, less so on our behalf as lowly membersI can honestly say that the modding will not change in the slightest, peoples opinions and views will considered at all times. People will always have different views and debates and thats not going to change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Ok, so I couldn't resist it and I am kind of curious as to if you were who i think!In fairness though, this person is moderating on behalf of the Supporters Trust, less so on our behalf as lowly membersoakily doakily Aplogies for my aggressive tone. Luke had just landed his X-Wing in the swamp again and I was consumed by the dark-side for a moment. I'm getting fed up with these impetuous fools Obi-Wan keeps sending me.Finally lost it I appear. Rest I need! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Bristols Cider Army Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 oakily doakily Aplogies for my aggressive tone. Luke had just landed his X-Wing in the swamp again and I was consumed by the dark-side for a moment. I'm getting fed up with these impetuous fools Obi-Wan keeps sending me.Finally lost it I appear. Rest I need! Use the force Yoda, use the force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Hasn't this forum issue all but been forced upon them though?If it wasn't for them wouldn't it be shut now?No. They could have told SteveL to act openly and ask the users of the forum. He didn't have the power to shut it since he doesn't own it. He could have removed funding, at which point I guess clik would step in and consult us on how to go forward.None of this should ever have been done so underhandedly.We don't know how the modding will be yet, it might be fine and dandy.It might be but it's off to a terrible start because there has been secrecy, no consultation, and moderators forced on a community which has been around a very long time.As for Ron answering our questions, I wish the club would take a leaf out of his book and be more honest about things. If they had of been, then a 14 and a half year old lad wouldn't have been in this position.I wander what else the Club aren't openly telling us. I wish their policy was honesty! I 100% agree and am rapidly finding myself becoming more and more anti Lansdown. And a year ago I was a certified happy clappy.If someone knows the real reasons as to why the forum was moved and the club distancing themselves from it, are they allowed to say or not? What about other things too?The "rumour" mill says that the club are embarrassed by what the forum has become and not happy about how it exposes them. With reference to the numerous posts on here slating BTC after they were announce as sponsors. Further, I'd guess that not using the standard messageboards provided by PremiumTV was a bit of a pain too.Nibor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordofthebling Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Paul, I thank you for your time and reassuring notes.However, I still think you are missing the point that for many posters, this is the first we had heard about this change and feel this has gone on behind our backs. Why was this? I for one wouldnt of minded, I just feel thinking back to the badge, the shirt etc etc - this is becoming increasingly the norm.I worry what this will do for the credibility of the ST in that you guys wont be tarnished with this brush. I also hope you wont be "used" by Lansdown in order to take on labour intensive supporter initiatives.And as for the promotion of ST "members" as moderators, I also think has not been handled inappropriatley and feel you guys misinterpreted the impact it had for some of the posters on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE23Red Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 oakily doakily Didn't know The Simpsons was broadcast on Dagobah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatcham red Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Just back from a Trust meeting, which is indeed why nobody has been on here to respond to your questions apart from Ron.OK. So this clearly needs some explanation, so here goes.The Trust agreed to take on the running of OTIB for a period of 6 months. The running costs are being met by the club for 6 months, which is the agreed trial period with the club. There is advertising and sponsorship opportunities to raise money to make the forum self funding after 6 months. Noone envisages the site being overrun with advertising, it will be tested first. No Trust members subscriptions will go toward the running of the site. If the trial period doesn't work, there is an option to review the running of the site at 6 months. As previously stated, the club took the decision to close the SteveL forum.The moderating is being done voluntarily by a few fans who are currently involved with helping establish the Trust. It also is being moderated by Tom and Geoff. I can't recall the full list of moderators at present, but nobody will be anonymous. I personally would welcome other offers of help here to help run websites and forums.The distinction between the two forums is that OTIB stays exactly as it is, just not "officially" the club's forum. It remains a site for the fans, but now run by the fans. The other forum is used mainly for taking questions and planning trust activities. Thereby is the basic distinction. in future, it is hoped that these types of Trust related questions would be dealt with on the Trust forum, so as not to clog up this forum too much. The exception is clearly tonight, where answers are needed.The question about the working party needs to be addressed. We are a hard working bunch of supporters holding the fort to get the Trust established. Tonight we spent most of the evening working out how a fair and democratic process could be achieved to elect board members in and around May. Details will be released very soon. If new initiatives are to get off the ground, someone has to get on and do something. I would welcome everyone on this thread and others to get involved in a constructive way. Sometimes decisions have to be made. The more fans involved, the wider the representation of fans views.In this instance, nobody has committed any of the Trust's money, just people's time. Any major investment decisions will only be taken after a fully democratically board is elected. All are welcome to run for these positions.Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 I'd be very grateful for an answer to the following questions:Why was there no consultation with the 4000+ users of otib before the small number of people on the working party decided to take it on?Why was there no consultation on selecting moderators?Why were some posters secretly given moderator rights before any announcement was made?Nibor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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