Trouble After?

[littlerobin]

If you think that was bad imagine milwall (home and away.)

If you think that was bad imagine milwall (home and away.)

[PhatWill]

Me and my mates witnessed it all.

It started on this Radcliffe Road when about a dozen or so Forest started fighting with 4/5 City. Gradually more and more Forest joined in and these City were getting chased back down towards the end of the road where many more City were pouring out of the ground. Loads of young kids (some of whom were even wearing Forest shirts) then went outside the wine bar and took metal chairs and began throwing them at these City lads who were now slightly more in number. One Forest kid had a massive wooden plank (it was twice the size of him, 8ft maybe) and threw it towards the City.

Then, as the trouble got to the far end of the road it was clear that dozens of City trouble makers had turned up. Around 40/50 of them charged the Forest down the street. Forest were running for cover, hiding down side streets etc while a few of them tried to stand.

Most of the metal chairs (or pieces of them that were left) were now in the hands of the City lot. They made their way all the way down the road to where we were. Now plant pots, more chairs, stones were being hurled by City and the Forest lot were clearly being over-run. Most of them corned into the wine bar (Amico?) and were continually pelted with anything the City lot could get their hands on. CCTV camreas were being pelted with stones by City. Windows were smashed on cars, vans (some of which had passengers in them) and the bars.

As the Forest account said, one Forest lad (skinhead chap) was kicked to the ground and appeared to be lying on the road unconscious. Can't have any sympathy as he was clearly involved in the fighting. One City lad walked by us with a large cut under his eye that was bleeding heavily.

No doubting this was a major disturbance and we weren't surprised to hear about it on 5 live. Unfortunately I have to report that it was mostly City lads that were causing the damage as well. It takes two sides of course, but the large amount of hooligans from City ended up dismantling a bar and my thoughts are with the poor bar staff many of whom were young girls trying to flee the area. Likewise for the people in their cars who ended up with smashed windows and the rest of it, must have been terrifying.

The police were a shambles, how did it take 10+ minutes for them to turn up?

That'll be the last time we take 4,000+ to Forest in the near future I'd imagine. Swansea caused trouble their last season and as a consequence were only allowed 1,500 tickets this season to season ticket holders only.

BBC Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/6074906.stm

[sephjnr]

They had 3-4 minibuses hemmed in outside the away end too. Let all fans on feet through their line but these particular buses had been put right outside the ground where they could be stopped from moving on. Wonder if these were the same buses?

I was on Coach 6, which tailed this convoy. They'd stopped about 10 minutes after leaving the match because a fan was running down the road full-pelt after one of the vans, which picked him up. Shortly afterwards the police stopped the convoy and this man got out, assumingly to be arrested. I believe they made him get back into the van, as just heading out of Nottingham the police vans herded the entire convoy down a country lane for a mass arrest (or mob hit? you decide). We almost joined them, as our driver was thick as two short planks. We managed to turn off and head for the motorway before we could find out exactly what was up with the minivans- they could have all been carrying people involved in the street fight.

And our driver was thick as s__t by the way - managing to do wrong turns THREE times just to find the ground :D

[redmeanie]

I didn't hang around long enough to see the bar or cars get smashed up.

official coaches for next year then!

[Guest Kermit]

Did any of you go to the City Centre???

[cider head]

this was forests doing, as i belive 30 forest came put of the bar and attacked 6

yes 6 city fans who were not dressed in colours, what forest didn't bank

on was these chaps defending themselfs and as it progressed other city fans ran

to their aid and forest got pushed back inside the bar, this was not firm

related as the city lads were under police escort at the time as i left the ground

4 mini buses were under police guard.

[Nibor]

this was forests doing

I normally have a lot of respect for what you post but in this case you're talking utter s___.

Noone from Forest forced a bunch of brainless moronic #######s to travel up from Bristol and smash up a wine bar, end of.

If we apologise for these scumbags or condone what they do then they will keep on turning up and there'll still be kids getting caught in the crossfire. They all need to be locked up, they can kill each other inside for all I care.

[cider head]

I normally have a lot of respect for what you post but in this case you're talking utter s____.

Noone from Forest forced a bunch of brainless moronic #######s to travel up from Bristol and smash up a wine bar, end of.

uteer shit mabe! thats true ABOUT BEING FORCED.

not agreeing with it just stating forest lit the fuse paper, that's all.

[PhatWill]

this was forests doing, as i belive 30 forest came put of the bar and attacked 6

yes 6 city fans who were not dressed in colours, what forest didn't bank

on was these chaps defending themselfs and as it progressed other city fans ran

to their aid and forest got pushed back inside the bar, this was not firm

related as the city lads were under police escort at the time as i left the ground

4 mini buses were under police guard.

You're probably right CH. It certainly looked like these 6 City lads were 'attacked' by Amici. But they were intent on defending themselves despite being heavily outnumbered and facing kids with metal chairs.

This Forest lot didn't bargain for 40/50 City turning up and were soon on their toes.

The City firm did appear to being held back, even outside the away end there were a few scuffles and a stand off in which the police had to intervene.

In the wine bar riot I was amazed to see a older looking City fan with this season away shirt hurling a chair towards the Forest lot. That goes along with your thinking that it wasn't solely firm instigated. A lot of it appeared to be spontaneous.

[Tales From The Front]

I normally have a lot of respect for what you post but in this case you're talking utter s____.

Noone from Forest forced a bunch of brainless moronic #######s to travel up from Bristol and smash up a wine bar, end of.

If we apologise for these scumbags or condone what they do then they will keep on turning up and there'll still be kids getting caught in the crossfire. They all need to be locked up, they can kill each other inside for all I care.

Your right but by the same token you should also acknowledge that no one from Bristol expected to be attacked by, to use you quote a bunch of brainless moronic ######s from Nottingham. My mates and I walked past this bar and it was clear persons attaching themselves to NFFC were "mobbing" up for trouble. We were certanly looked up and down as possible victims.

It however sad, did not surprise me to hear of what has subsiquently happened. Bullies getting bullied.

[gamon]

But they were intent on defending themselves despite being heavily outnumbered and facing kids with metal chairs.

Well done to them. Nobody likes bullies and I would have stuck up for myself if it was me. Don't knock them for looking after themselves.

[BS10 RED]

Well if that is the true story of 6 city fans being started on then fair aplay to them for sticking up for themselfs.

[Nibor]

not agreeing with it just stating forest lit the fuse paper, that's all.

How do you know those six city "fans" hadn't done something previously that day to light an earlier touch paper?

Making excuses for scumbags who smash up a bar with kids in is completely wrong. By doing so you totally undermine the good work you're doing trying to get the east end opened.

Just because they were apparently outnumbered to start with doesn't mean that they're any less to blame, or in any way excuse the actions of the complete ######s who came along to join in for fun.

There are morons on both sides, true, but don't pretend our shit doesn't stink.

[PhatWill]

How do you know those six city "fans" hadn't done something previously that day to light an earlier touch paper?

As a witness, I can say that these City fans had already walked past the Amici bar but it appeared they were followed/chased and then set upon by Forest outnumbering them.

Making excuses for scumbags who smash up a bar with kids in is completely wrong.

The same kids that were wielding planks of wood and metal chairs. Oh and trying to dismantle some nearby fencing around a builders site. No-one who was involved in thr trouble at the Amici can be excused. Why were kids in a bar in the first place?!

[WTFiGO!?!]

Making excuses for scumbags who smash up a bar with kids in is completely wrong. By doing so you totally undermine the good work you're doing trying to get the east end opened.

This type of person will come out to play three times this season, Millwall, Forest and Swansea.

I'm confident in saying there will be no trouble inside the ground, so leave the EE out of it yeah?

[Northern Red]

It however sad, did not surprise me to hear of what has subsiquently happened. Bullies getting bullied.

This may sound pessimistic, but I knew this would happen yesterday. The sheer number of fans that City brought meant there was clearly going to be a greater contingent of idiots than we usually attract. The way the game has been ridiculously over-hyped by some on this forum over the past week is merely a reflection of how a wider proportion of fans were feeling, meaning defeat was always going to be hard to take.

[Tales From The Front]

How do you know those six city "fans" hadn't done something previously that day to light an earlier touch paper?

Making excuses for scumbags who smash up a bar with kids in is completely wrong. By doing so you totally undermine the good work you're doing trying to get the east end opened.

Just because they were apparently outnumbered to start with doesn't mean that they're any less to blame, or in any way excuse the actions of the complete ######s who came along to join in for fun.

There are morons on both sides, true, but don't pretend our shit doesn't stink.

Again you are right but the way in which you wish to lable "City fans as soley responsiable for this nasty incident, does not give the full picture. Two groups of fans who should have been properly surpervised as is the norm were not. They clashed and the horric scences were the result.

But be clear persons from the Nottingham area were willing partcipants in this incident and from the reports from witnesses intiated this particular event. I certainly reiterate from what I saw they were organising themselves to attack targets of their choosing.

I would also ask you to confirm you comments.

Are you saying that it was OK to attack the "outnumbered" people in the first instance. The fact that they defended themselves is imiterial.

[Nibor]

As a witness, I can say that these City fans had already walked past the Amici bar but it appeared they were followed/chased and then set upon by Forest outnumbering them.

Yes, and were you there to witness what they did all day? Can you say that they absolutely did nothing to make themselves a target all day? Or perhaps they were part of the group of "fans" who walked past the same bar before the game chanting "CSF"? I find it very unlikely that they were randomly selected from passers by for a kicking.

The same kids that were wielding planks of wood and metal chairs. Oh and trying to dismantle some nearby fencing around a builders site. No-one who was involved in thr trouble at the Amici can be excused. Why were kids in a bar in the first place?!

Nope, the 7-8 year old kids that had to be taken out the back onto the fire escape.

Why shouldn't kids be in a bar with their parents?

Again you are right but the way in which you wish to lable "City fans as soley responsiable for this nasty incident, does not give the full picture. Two groups of fans who should have been properly surpervised as is the norm were not. They clashed and the horric scences were the result.

But be clear persons from the Nottingham area were willing partcipants in this incident and from the reports from witnesses intiated this particular event. I certainly reiterate from what I saw they were organising themselves to attack targets of their choosing.

I would also ask you to confirm you comments.

Are you saying that it was OK to attack the "outnumbered" people in the first instance. The fact that they defended themselves is imiterial.

I'm not labelling city fans as solely responsible, I'm labelling the sort of ######wits that fight at football games for being solely responsible irrespective of which side they're on.

It wasn't ok to attack anyone, but being outnumbered doesn't make them somehow in the right.

[PhatWill]

Nope, the 7-8 year old kids that had to be taken out the back onto the fire escape.

Why shouldn't kids be in a bar with their parents?

I hadn't heard that reported, where did you get that from?

I can't imagine they would've seen any of the trouble so long as their parents were responsible and took them out the fire escape imediately. It's the female bar staff I felt most sorry for. The Forest fans drew trouble to that bar by using the garden furniture outside as weaponary.

[KnowleUtd City]

I was on Coach 6, which tailed this convoy. They'd stopped about 10 minutes after leaving the match because a fan was running down the road full-pelt after one of the vans, which picked him up. Shortly afterwards the police stopped the convoy and this man got out, assumingly to be arrested. I believe they made him get back into the van, as just heading out of Nottingham the police vans herded the entire convoy down a country lane for a mass arrest (or mob hit? you decide). We almost joined them, as our driver was thick as two short planks. We managed to turn off and head for the motorway before we could find out exactly what was up with the minivans- they could have all been carrying people involved in the street fight.

And our driver was thick as s__t by the way - managing to do wrong turns THREE times just to find the ground :D

I was on one of the minibuses and NO ONE from the buses was involved in the trouble outside the wine bar, the reason why the police were so late on the scene is because they were all in the car park rounding us up to get on the vans, not realising what was going on down the road, they new something was happening cos it came through on their radios but they still just concentrated on penning us into our vans. they then escorted us all the way to Tamworth! at 50mph. right pain in the ass. The forest lads tried it on with 6 or so City lads and when more City turned up they got a slapping. Shame if any innocents were affected but the Forest lads started it off and came unstuck.

[port marine red]

I certainly think that the behaviour of the Forest stewards and the shoddy performance of the Police didn't help the cause one bit. The stewards, one in particular, was flexing what little muscle he had in very abusive manner. To be honest, even I would've like to put one on the ####. Doesn't it annoy you that this little weasle can put on a fluorescent bib and talk to you like a piece of s**t?? In the section where I was sat, HE was responsible for 99.9% of the trouble due to his over-zealous behaviour and actions. The police should've kicked him out, the jumped up ######ing upstart.

[bcfcchris2016]

First of all this is bcfcchris dad.......

Sat AM I told chris how unwise it was to wear a City shirt to away games especially when you travel by car and go for a drink before and after ba game. I personaly hate any violence of any description and after watching city for 40 years home and away unfortunately I have seen plenty of football violence and you have to condone it. 4 of us were returning to our car after the game when we passed a pub/wine bar and there was a bunch of Forest fans singing Nottingham Nottingham Nottingham and in my opinion there was about 50 or so the with no reason they charged down the road with bottles in hand and hitting anybody they could see in shirts or any body who got in their way, if we had our shirts on we would have had a hell off a beating, if these lads met their match i cannot feel sorry for them as anybody who goes looking for trouble and finds it are morons, it is the innocent bystanders I feel for.

[KnowleUtd City]

Did any of you go to the City Centre???

Yeah, in the goose on the square from 10.45am, nice cheap boozer!

[Nibor]

I hadn't heard that reported, where did you get that from?

I can't imagine they would've seen any of the trouble so long as their parents were responsible and took them out the fire escape imediately. It's the female bar staff I felt most sorry for. The Forest fans drew trouble to that bar by using the garden furniture outside as weaponary.

Mention of kids being taken out the back here and here. I may well have misread the "7" bit as an age, but still. As for drawing trouble - it shouldn't be there to draw in the first place and if you want to have the "who started it" discussion you could equally blame a mob of city fans walking past the bar chanting "CSF" before the game. Realistically it's always both sides to blame.

[old spot]

Passed this bar before the game and outside were dozens of what were obviously forest hooligans (i've followed CITY all over the country and know the type to avoid). They were staring at and trying to intimidate the away fans as they passed!

But what struck me most was the complete lack of any police presence!! I didn't see one. This is a road right next to the ground, leading to the away end where 4500 fans were expected and where in the next half hour all the away fans further down the road drinking in various pubs were going to use. I was amazed this trouble hadn't happened then and not after!!

By the sounds of it there weren't any police there after the game either. You have to ask yoursef why?? There were cctv cameras everywhere and the forest mob should have been easy enough to spot to a trained policeman. And apparently CITY have a reputation for a certain type off following so why didn't all the establishments where forests mob where likely to be have at least one van full of coppers nearby monitoring things, there were plenty enough of them on duty!!

Maybe they let the trouble happen so they could get cctv evidence, otherwise it is mystifying as to how they let it occur. Surely they couldn't really couldn't have been that incompetent!!

[Guest Kermit]

Yeah, in the goose on the square from 10.45am, nice cheap boozer!

Did you not see any trouble in the centre?

[KnowleUtd City]

Did you not see any trouble in the centre?

No none, the police escorted everyone from the pub down to the Norfolk pub about 1pm.

[mottymorgan]

are car was parked at tht cross rd the 6 lads tht got started i knew and they did nothing then all you seen was about 30-40 forest wlkin up rd shout and it was kids about 14-15 in shirts from tht amici bar tht had the chairs then they stared throwin them at the 6 lads from bristol then someone told the boiz and they came a dun forets over bigtime sum bloke came up 2 me and asked if i was bristol i sed yh he sed "you boiz dumped us today" he had a chip paper on his cut to the back of the head

FOREST STARTED THE WHOLE THING AND CITY BOIZ HELPED THE LADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOOK AT THE POOR BAR THT IS WT CITY BOIZ DO IF HOME FANS START!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Stoke_Gifford_Red]

More on BBC website. Three arrests by the bar and two elsewhere. Sad things is it isn't just 'teenagers/youth' as one was 43 and one 44.

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[Pilnin]

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