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[Flaxbourton Red]

I guess you're right. Otherwise Yeovil would have lost.

yes thats right. All this manager talk about getting behind the lads and cheering them on, this 12th man business; its all meaningless, its just a cynical drive to fill seats and the club's coffers.

Johnson is being played like a puppet with his talk, he doesn't need your support, he needs your money.

[Redtilldead]

Not at all - just advising you and anyone else what you can do if you want to change the philosophy of the SC and the way its run.

Still not answering my question are you, you choose to answer ( and I use the word 'answer' loosely) to other posters on something you obviously feel 'safe' answering, so I take it from your silence, that I am correct in my opinion that you actually don't do anything as your role of Chairman of the supporters club, (except drink in a privileged bar) yet you like to keep on telling everyone who you are, bit of a ego boost is it?.

don't forget either, except for a few people on here, the majority of City fans haven't a clue who you are, and the people who post on here haven't a clue what you actually do.

I would like a reply please.

[Meh]

Robbored. You are a disgrace to your position at Bristol City Football Club.

I just hope that enough members of the S.C. who can vote this year, see this thread (and the others where you laugh or evade questions from your fellow fans), and decide enough is enough.

Let's be fair, if they can't find somebody more suitable, then there is a real problem.

[WhistleHappy]

I promise you I'm not winding you up, but, as I don't have a clue who you are, could you please just answer me one question, because I'm a little confused by all of this...

What is your input, and what do you actually achieve as chairman of the supporters club, please just tell me because I honestly didn't even know till now that you are the chairman, as I understand it (and please let me know if I'm wrong) you can't contribute to board meetings, or relay any information from said meeting back to us, (the Fans, which I believe are the backbone of this football club).

As far as I see it, it is absolutely pointless having you there, because if I'm correst, your input and output is Zero.

Please let me know, as I promise you I'm not winding you up.

By the way it's Christmas not xmas,

Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year.

Thanks.

RedTillDead... I think its totally out of order for Robbored STILL NOT to have answered your perfectly reasonable question.

You have asked it several times always with respect & politness, you have not resorted to personal abuse, as a payed up Supporters Club member you have asked a question of your Club Chairman - your representative - how dare he dismiss you & your legitimate inquiry as not worthy of a response?...

As you rightly say, youre not going away..you want an answer, youve posed your question (more than once) & you have every right to expect your elected representative to respond openly & honestly -as befitting his position.

I'm sure many other forum users are equally interested to know the answer....

Come on Mr Supporters Club Chairman..-surely you don't want to be seen to be treating your members with contempt?.. with the position comes responsibility, no State Secrets are at stake, youre not a Government Minister theres no excuse for evading 'difficult questions'... along with the sunshine you must expect a little rain sometimes, gotta take the rough with the smooth.. etc

So is RedTillDead getting an honest answer here? .... Or will you be hearing chants down Ashton Gate?.. er I dunno, like :

.. 'Robbo, Robbo, Robbo, Robbo,

.. Will You Answer Red Til Dead?

.. Will You Answer Red Til Dead??' (to tune of 'youre not singing anymore')

& if that starts.. expect many other chants to come your way mate...

You seem so keen to label fellow City fans & posters as abusive, -well maybe they'll be tempted to live up to your view of 'em in which case I dread to think what chants they'll come up with!!.. (you can bet yer membership card they wont be as polite as the chant above..)

Answer the question Robbo its in your own interests to be open & honest, or are we heading into a 'RobboGate' situation of secrets & lies?..

[bristolcitysweden]

RedTillDead... I think its totally out of order for Robbored STILL NOT to have answered your perfectly reasonable question.

You have asked it several times always with respect & politness, you have not resorted to personal abuse, as a payed up Supporters Club member you have asked a question of your Club Chairman - your representative - how dare he dismiss you & your legitimate inquiry as not worthy of a response?...

As you rightly say, youre not going away..you want an answer, youve posed your question (more than once) & you have every right to expect your elected representative to respond openly & honestly -as befitting his position.

I'm sure many other forum users are equally interested to know the answer....

Come on Mr Supporters Club Chairman..-surely you don't want to be seen to be treating your members with contempt?.. with the position comes responsibility, no State Secrets are at stake, youre not a Government Minister theres no excuse for evading 'difficult questions'... along with the sunshine you must expect a little rain sometimes, gotta take the rough with the smooth.. etc

So is RedTillDead getting an honest answer here? .... Or will you be hearing chants down Ashton Gate?.. er I dunno, like :

.. 'Robbo, Robbo, Robbo, Robbo,

.. Will You Answer Red Til Dead?

.. Will You Answer Red Til Dead??' (to tune of 'youre not singing anymore')

& if that starts.. expect many other chants to come your way mate...

You seem so keen to label fellow City fans & posters as abusive, -well maybe they'll be tempted to live up to your view of 'em in which case I dread to think what chants they'll come up with!!.. (you can bet yer membership card they wont be as polite as the chant above..)

Answer the question Robbo its in your own interests to be open & honest, or are we heading into a 'RobboGate' situation of secrets & lies?..

Who is RedTilDead then? Never heard of him. What makes him entitled to speak for the fans? Perhaps he should answer his owns questions;

I don't have a clue who you are, could you please just answer me one question, what is your input, and what could you actually achieve as chairman of the supporters club, please just tell me because I didn't even know till now that you where a possible candidate as chairman, as I have understand it (and please let me know if I'm wrong) you can contribute to board meetings, and relay any information from said meeting back to us, (the Fans, which I believe are the backbone of this football club).

If you are the voice of the Supporters Trust you will have our support!!

Tommy

[Redtilldead]

Who is RedTilDead then? Never heard of him. What makes him entitled to speak for the fans? Perhaps he should answer his owns questions;

I don't have a clue who you are, could you please just answer me one question, what is your input, and what could you actually achieve as chairman of the supporters club, please just tell me because I didn't even know till now that you where a possible candidate as chairman, as I have understand it (and please let me know if I'm wrong) you can contribute to board meetings, and relay any information from said meeting back to us, (the Fans, which I believe are the backbone of this football club).

If you are the voice of the Supporters Trust you will have our support!!

Tommy

Hold on my Friend, I have asked Robbored a perfectly legitimate question, I didn't realise that he was the Chairman of Our Bristol City Supporters club, so in light of that, I asked the aforementioned question, and until today he has still not answered my question,and then later this evening Robbored sent me a PM and has, (very politely) offered to meet me sometime, if I wish to have a chat with him.

As for the sarcasm of your post, a copycat letter of the one I sent to Robbored, Why????, what in my questioning of Robbored upset you so much?

Firstly, I never expected you to hear of me, Secondly, have I ever said I was speaking for the fans? Thirdly, when did I ever put myself forward as a candidate for Chairman of the supporters club?

I don't wish to sound rude, but it was a simple question to the Standing Chairman of the Supporters Club, of which I am (and so are many others) members., and, I'm sure you will agree, we are entiitled to ask questions of that person.

Lastly I am not, and have never stated I am the voice of the Supporters club, and do not wish to be the Voice of the Supporters Club.

[WhistleHappy]

Who is RedTilDead then? Never heard of him. What makes him entitled to speak for the fans? Perhaps he should answer his owns questions;

I don't have a clue who you are, could you please just answer me one question, what is your input, and what could you actually achieve as chairman of the supporters club, please just tell me because I didn't even know till now that you where a possible candidate as chairman, as I have understand it (and please let me know if I'm wrong) you can contribute to board meetings, and relay any information from said meeting back to us, (the Fans, which I believe are the backbone of this football club).

If you are the voice of the Supporters Trust you will have our support!!

Tommy

To my knowledge RedTilDead isnt or hasnt spoken on behalf of fans - he's simply a Bristol City fan & member of the Bristol City Supporters Club who has asked the Supporters Club Chairman (Robbored) a question (several times) relating to the SC & the role of the SC chair, for some reason Robbored has so far chosen to ignore what appears to be a perfectly legitimate question from one of his members. (If Redtildead is mistaken in his view of how the club he is a paid up member of (the SC) is run/or should be run - I think Robbored should answer to clear the matter up.. don't you?) or at least give a frank & honest response to a member, .....or maybe the role of Chair to the SC carries no responsibility to its membership at all?... in which case annual supporters club membership fees would appear to be for nothing more than a door entrance charge to a bar.

[WhistleHappy]

Hold on my Friend, I have asked Robbored a perfectly legitimate question, I didn't realise that he was the Chairman of Our Bristol City Supporters club, so in light of that, I asked the aforementioned question, and until today he has still not answered my question,and then later this evening Robbored sent me a PM and has, (very politely) offered to meet me sometime, if I wish to have a chat with him.

As for the sarcasm of your post, a copycat letter of the one I sent to Robbored, Why????, what in my questioning of Robbored upset you so much?

Firstly, I never expected you to hear of me, Secondly, have I ever said I was speaking for the fans? Thirdly, when did I ever put myself forward as a candidate for Chairman of the supporters club?

I don't wish to sound rude, but it was a simple question to the Standing Chairman of the Supporters Club, of which I am (and so are many others) members., and, I'm sure you will agree, we are entiitled to ask questions of that person.

Lastly I am not, and have never stated I am the voice of the Supporters club, and do not wish to be the Voice of the Supporters Club.

Good on Robbored (at last)... & good on you Red/T/D, hope you get an open & honest answer mate, pity RR doesnt see fit to share his reply with the rest of the forum though, I'm sure others would be interested in the answer too.

(ps, soz my previous reply was bit late, started writing it then made a cup of tea before posting it... didnt realise you'd already replied! ..)

[bristolcitysweden]

Hold on my Friend, I have asked Robbored a perfectly legitimate question, I didn't realise that he was the Chairman of Our Bristol City Supporters club, so in light of that, I asked the aforementioned question, and until today he has still not answered my question,and then later this evening Robbored sent me a PM and has, (very politely) offered to meet me sometime, if I wish to have a chat with him.

As for the sarcasm of your post, a copycat letter of the one I sent to Robbored, Why????, what in my questioning of Robbored upset you so much?

Firstly, I never expected you to hear of me, Secondly, have I ever said I was speaking for the fans? Thirdly, when did I ever put myself forward as a candidate for Chairman of the supporters club?

I don't wish to sound rude, but it was a simple question to the Standing Chairman of the Supporters Club, of which I am (and so are many others) members., and, I'm sure you will agree, we are entiitled to ask questions of that person.

Lastly I am not, and have never stated I am the voice of the Supporters club, and do not wish to be the Voice of the Supporters Club.

If I have any complaints about how things are runned by the football club, supporters club or trust I should try to affect things as a member and get involved. What is the point in saiyng that some people are in it "just for a drink in priviliged bars" or as "I understand it (and please let me know if I'm wrong) you can't contribute to board meetings, or relay any information from said meeting back to us, (the Fans, which I believe are the backbone of this football club)?". You are humiliating people although you are very, (very, very) polite.

[Dollymarie]

If you are the voice of the Supporters Trust you will have our support!!

Tommy

Robbored is the Chairman of the Supporters Club (SC). The Supporters Trust (ST) exists entirely seperate to the Supporters Club and is independant of the Club. We are not connected apart from the fact that our members comprise of fans of this Club.

Just wanted to clear that up.

[bucksred]

Robbored is the Chairman of the Supporters Club (SC). The Supporters Trust (ST) exists entirely seperate to the Supporters Club and is independant of the Club. We are not connected apart from the fact that our members comprise of fans of this Club.

Just wanted to clear that up.

And Thank God we have an ST, and not have to rely on the Drinking Cl...sorry supporters Club too Dolls.

[Redtilldead]

If I have any complaints about how things are runned by the football club, supporters club or trust I should try to affect things as a member and get involved. What is the point in saiyng that some people are in it "just for a drink in priviliged bars" or as "I understand it (and please let me know if I'm wrong) you can't contribute to board meetings, or relay any information from said meeting back to us, (the Fans, which I believe are the backbone of this football club)?". You are humiliating people although you are very, (very, very) polite.

How on earth have I humiliated anyone (especially Robbored) on this forum, by asking that person a serious question?, that, surely is what this forum is all about.

[RedZepperin]

Robbored is the Chairman of the Supporters Club (SC). The Supporters Trust (ST) exists entirely seperate to the Supporters Club and is independant of the Club. We are not connected apart from the fact that our members comprise of fans of this Club.

Just wanted to clear that up.

But surely, if the Supporters' Trust is made up of fans who are members of the Supporters Club whose chairman is Robbored, you can't talk of independence as there is a very clear link here.

[tompo]

But surely, if the Supporters' Trust is made up of fans who are members of the Supporters Club whose chairman is Robbored, you can't talk of independence as there is a very clear link here.

Some members of the ST may be members of the SC and vice verse. From time to time both organisations will work together (the end of season player of the year awards being one example). However, the day to day running of both organisations is completely independent of each other.

[Guest forest4evergreat]

ARE YOU DERBY FANS JUST AS THICK AS THEM

[Flaxbourton Red]

ARE YOU DERBY FANS JUST AS THICK AS THEM

Thank you for your contribution to the debate. I believe it is time for you to creep back down the pit with your whippet, pigeons and mangled vowels.

Mind how you go.

[bucksred]

But surely, if the Supporters' Trust is made up of fans who are members of the Supporters Club whose chairman is Robbored, you can't talk of independence as there is a very clear link here.

I can assure you, I have NO ASSOCIATION with the cosy club, I am a fan who wants the best for this club. The others on the ST I know aint either.

[Robbored]

But surely, if the Supporters' Trust is made up of fans who are members of the Supporters Club whose chairman is Robbored, you can't talk of independence as there is a very clear link here.

I'm a member of the Supporters Trust as well as the Supporters Club.Lots of fans are.The Trust and SC work together on various maters but we are not linked.

The Supporters Club is so called because it is a club.We have two clubrooms and provide something that over 4000 fans want - a newly furbished, comfortable on-site place to eat,drink and socialise before,at half-time and after games.

[bristolcitysweden]

How on earth have I humiliated anyone (especially Robbored) on this forum, by asking that person a serious question?, that, surely is what this forum is all about.

Read your post from the 21th of December once again. In my opinion your attitude is very poor.

Especially Robbored..

Happy new Bristol City year 2007 to all of you!!

Tommy

[Jay]

I'm a member of the Supporters Trust as well as the Supporters Club.Lots of fans are.The Trust and SC work together on various maters but we are not linked.

The Supporters Club is so called because it is a club.We have two clubrooms and provide something that over 4000 fans want - a newly furbished, comfortable on-site place to eat,drink and socialise before,at half-time and after games.

I'm a member of the ST and the SC but I'm only a member of the Supporters Club as I want to use the Dolman Exhibition Hall before a match sometimes (mainly foir ST related issues) . I would otherwise not be a member of the SC but, like everyone else, I was given the unfortunate ultimatum of either paying for & becoming a SC member or not using the DEH. Ok, so it's only a fiver but, at the time, I had also just written the Club a cheque for £275 for my season ticket. I believe that the use of the DEH should remain open to anyone who wants to use it. No fees & maybe not exclusively season ticket holders either.

If it weren't for my ST activities, I'd probably look at going back to using one of the locals like the Ship & Castle or The Robins. The beer is cheaper, served in real glasses, good atmosphere & the bar staff use these cracking little words like "please" and "thank you" (sorry, but I do find most of the staff in that place quite rude).

This isn't a dig at the SC but I do feel that the Club put fans over a barrel when they announced the forced membership scheme. Thing is, to my understanding, the bar takings are almost 3-4 times the amount of a match day when the rugby lot are using Ashton Gate. I wonder if this is because of a difference in drinking culture or because more will use the bar because they haven't got to pay to get in?

[WTFiGO!?!]

I'm a member of the ST and the SC but I'm only a member of the Supporters Club as I want to use the Dolman Exhibition Hall before a match sometimes (mainly foir ST related issues) . I would otherwise not be a member of the SC but, like everyone else, I was given the unfortunate ultimatum of either paying for & becoming a SC member or not using the DEH. Ok, so it's only a fiver but, at the time, I had also just written the Club a cheque for £275 for my season ticket. I believe that the use of the DEH should remain open to anyone who wants to use it. No fees & maybe not exclusively season ticket holders either.

If it weren't for my ST activities, I'd probably look at going back to using one of the locals like the Ship & Castle or The Robins. The beer is cheaper, served in real glasses, good atmosphere & the bar staff use these cracking little words like "please" and "thank you" (sorry, but I do find most of the staff in that place quite rude).

This isn't a dig at the SC but I do feel that the Club put fans over a barrel when they announced the forced membership scheme. Thing is, to my understanding, the bar takings are almost 3-4 times the amount of a match day when the rugby lot are using Ashton Gate. I wonder if this is because of a difference in drinking culture or because more will use the bar because they haven't got to pay to get in?

The two must surely be merged...

like Scott Brown being given the number 4 shirt and the return of the East End to the dissilusioned craicest's - I do passionately believe these things...

[Jay]

The two must surely be merged...

Personally, I'm not so sure. IMO one of the attractions of the ST is that it is independant of the Club. We are not ultimately governed by them and, whilst we hope for a harmonious relationship, we are not opposed to digging our heels in & opposing issues that have been proposed by the Club.

Just out of interest, why would you merge them?

[Robbored]

This isn't a dig at the SC but I do feel that the Club put fans over a barrel when they announced the forced membership scheme. Thing is, to my understanding, the bar takings are almost 3-4 times the amount of a match day when the rugby lot are using Ashton Gate. I wonder if this is because of a difference in drinking culture or because more will use the bar because they haven't got to pay to get in?

Actually the beer takings in the DEH were very considerably down at the rugby compared to a City game.Where the difference was made up was through the other beer outlets that aren't available at football matches due to the different regulations and culture.Fans able to take several pints to thier seats for example.

[Guest Jan Mollars Gloves]

Personally, I'm not so sure. IMO one of the attractions of the ST is that it is independant of the Club. We are not ultimately governed by them and, whilst we hope for a harmonious relationship, we are not opposed to digging our heels in & opposing issues that have been proposed by the Club.

Just out of interest, why would you merge them?

As has been mentioned previous, I think the SC should make more of their increased membership & open up more debate to use the voice of it's 4000 members.

The ST, as I understand has a membership around 350? And to date, have shown great effort in organising events etc etc. But these events should be more akin to what the club should be doing. And I feel this leads to the ST being seen as being less independant as they should be. Everything that is being done by the ST, seems to be very much hand in hand with the club.

No issue with this, but as you say, I think the digging in of heels & opposing the views of the club, is when supporters begin to feel more relaxed about what the ST is doing for the fans.

As it stands, many see the ST as an events commitee for the club. Great organisation, but not addressing issues head on, when it comes to East End etc.

[Jay]

As has been mentioned previous, I think the SC should make more of their increased membership & open up more debate to use the voice of it's 4000 members.

The ST, as I understand has a membership around 350? And to date, have shown great effort in organising events etc etc. But these events should be more akin to what the club should be doing. And I feel this leads to the ST being seen as being less independant as they should be. Everything that is being done by the ST, seems to be very much hand in hand with the club.

No issue with this, but as you say, I think the digging in of heels & opposing the views of the club, is when supporters begin to feel more relaxed about what the ST is doing for the fans.

As it stands, many see the ST as an events commitee for the club. Great organisation, but not addressing issues head on, when it comes to East End etc.

That's an interesting & insightful perception you have of the ST - thanks for posting it.

What events do you feel the ST have organised that are hand in hand with the Club? As far as I can see it, the only events that may be seen as 'hand in hand' are the Ask The Chariman events that have been held at the Club & on the road. Other events such as our launch night, poker evenings, Wine & Cheesley, Sportsmans Dinner etc have been completely independant of the Club.

However, that said, your second point about addressing issues head on & ones that are representative of fans is something that we are wanting to deal with more. We are currently sorting through the Ashton Gate 8 (2nd Feb) and the Wine & Cheesley 2 (11th Jan) events & then we aim to sit down are look at some of the pressing issues. We aim to work on the back of the results given by the survey we conducted recently. In a perfect world, we'd be able to do all this at the same time but the ST is still desperately short of active members.

[Avonmouth Docker]

I'm of the opinion that Steve L isn't the great City supporter he likes us to think he is!!.

Those old enough to remember standing in the terraces, singing and chanting their hearts out down at the Gate, know what a great atmosphere there was to be had, and we rarely lost a game.

The EastEnd is under used by most Away clubs who visit us, so why don't the Board just bite the bullet for 4 home games and find out if it really does make a difference!!,

How soon the Board have forgotten about it's development, then the separating of the ground into a different company,

Don't you just wonder, how much better the club could be under different leadership??.

[Guest Jan Mollars Gloves]

I'm of the opinion that Steve L isn't the great City supporter he likes us to think he is!!.

Those old enough to remember standing in the terraces, singing and chanting their hearts out down at the Gate, know what a great atmosphere there was to be had, and we rarely lost a game.

The EastEnd is under used by most Away clubs who visit us, so why don't the Board just bite the bullet for 4 home games and find out if it really does make a difference!!,

How soon the Board have forgotten about it's development, then the separating of the ground into a different company,

Don't you just wonder, how much better the club could be under different leadership??.

I think Lansdown likes the power of being a football Chairman. Impressive on the business front.

It would be interesting to know if he seeks outside investment. The likes of Mr Manderic etc?

[Guest]

I'm of the opinion that Steve L isn't the great City supporter he likes us to think he is!!.

Those old enough to remember standing in the terraces, singing and chanting their hearts out down at the Gate, know what a great atmosphere there was to be had, and we rarely lost a game.

The EastEnd is under used by most Away clubs who visit us, so why don't the Board just bite the bullet for 4 home games and find out if it really does make a difference!!,

How soon the Board have forgotten about it's development, then the separating of the ground into a different company,

Don't you just wonder, how much better the club could be under different leadership??.

Yes I do; hes holding us back; let the handbrake off Steve.

[WhistleHappy]

Personally, I'm not so sure. IMO one of the attractions of the ST is that it is independant of the Club. We are not ultimately governed by them and, whilst we hope for a harmonious relationship, we are not opposed to digging our heels in & opposing issues that have been proposed by the Club.

Just out of interest, why would you merge them?

Stay independant, the ST is just an acorn at the moment - but has the potential to grow into a mighty oak.

An independant voice enables it to freely work for the good & best interests of fans & Club alike, supporting good policies & opposing bad ones.. (the chair of the SC has already indicated the *impotance of the SC when it comes to doing anything other than 'sitting in' at board meetings & effectively just handing in bar profits with little or no say on how they should be spent)..

The ST has the potential to be much more productive & effective than that, & afterall, at the end of the day the fans will always have the best interests of BCFC at heart, not just business wise but just as importantly upholding the spirit of what a football club should be about -its people, big & small, rich & poor!

(anyone can get a pint anywhere, plenty of public houses around - but for a Bristol City Fan theres only one football club - BCFC, its in the blood - thats why the independant ST is so important in these days of the football businessman.. something to remind the accountants not to overlook the hearts & spirits of the grassroot fan, without which there would be no football & no profits to be had)

I believe that the current chairman, Steve Lansdown understands the value & importance of a ST, to his credit he's endorsed it, the ST's role will become even more crucial as time goes by, who knows what lies ahead boardroom wise in the future?

To establish and maintain an independant voice for Bristol City fans is absolutely the way to go!

(*impotance - no 'r')

[WTFiGO!?!]

Just out of interest, why would you merge them?

Fair question and I read your post too, must let it be known the festive season has been a little nuts..

..personaly though.. we firstly have one group with energy, drive, (potentially) political influence, genuine motives etc etc imo, and the other who have hoodwinked The People out of a hell of a lot of money, a Chairmam elected who does not seem to have any effin' regard for The people - not only that but seems to delight in baiting them - and generally one that sits down doin' bugger little... basically one of no meaning to me personally or to The Club.. an I just can not be assed with it.....''useless/pointless'' are the words/sentiments communicated....

..that is what I reckon anyhow...

A big political pawn for the ST would be The East End....a bit confused why you lot have't realised this yourselves..