spudski

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

Pato was the master of drifting infield and make little attempt to get back into position, often asking / pointing at Weimann to cover him.  Love,y technical player but not a grafter by any stretch (imho).

Weimann not too bad really!  

I watch other teams at our level and above, and more often than not they don't have players like Weimann. They are well drilled, read the game, cover one another, let the ball do the talking. They move when they have to...not running aimlessly. Understanding when to run, or cover, its far more effective than running for the sake of it. A lot of chasing and running is done to overcome mistakes in positioning and reading the game. A skilled player can move very little if he reads the game well. 

We have three energetic runners who imo don't read the game well. Weimann, Odowda and defensively Massengo. The latter reactionary and can be often seen hurtling back to cover where he hasn't read well.

All three seen as ' busy'...but would all be far more effective if they read the game better. 

For me...both Weimann and Odowda are busy and energetic. Take that away from them, what are you left with? Not much at this level imo.

4 hours ago, Davefevs said:

No way has Pato similar work rate to Weimann.  8 goals and 4 assists….Nige alluded to the fact that he would’ve liked to have kept Pato and that he was unlucky to have not got a deal. Pure speculation but I reckon Pato might’ve been wanting far too high a wage.  Ideally Nige would’ve kept both and managed to move Palmer on.  Alas!!

I saw Patos energy and movement far better quality to Weimann. You can run all day, but if it's not quality movement, what's the point? I find Weimann has a lot of wasted energy. 

3 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Is that the same Pato that has scored less goals than Weimann this season? And has a slightly inferior 'minutes per goal' ratio too?

As alluded to...Weimann wastes more chances than he's given imo. He also runs into areas when there is no need.

Read the game better, find space, create angles, let the ball do the work.

Weimann could cut down on wasted movement and concentrate on better control and being on the same page as his team mates. 

He does my head in...can't fault his ability to run all day, give his all etc. 

But he has a foot like a banjo... watching him trying to control a ball is painful..it's foot, shin, knee...freeking everywhere. It's never fully under control. Like a rubber ball tied to a piece of string. So frustrating to watch at this level. 

If we play him, I prefer him central and high.

He's best when not dribbling or running into the corners. Keep him high and central. He can finish...just don't give him time on the ball. Better instinctive than when with time. Use his energy when defending, closing down. Keep him highest upfield and central when offensive.

Would rather have kept Pato with similar work rate, but far better technically and can score.

All imo of course. 

That night was what football should be all about more regularly.

Building memories, full on entertainment, hope, dreams.

That and Man City away will stick in my memory forever 

10 hours ago, RonWalker said:

And Lee Johnson is *checks notes*... 40.

Yes...and when he was here, he spoke openly about how he had to adjust his man management skills to the youngsters, as when he played, it was different. That was my point...the times have changed very fast. 

9 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said:

Woke central 

Answer is that you need more than a glorified drill sergeant. Archaic autocratic coaching styles have more or less evaporated because they are completely useless coaching younger players. All current academic research on coaching and learning processes says that the personality and style of a coach needs to mesh with a player. A generation of footballers who don't want to be shouted at unnessecarily? You need to adapt or you'll die off.

Move with the times or be consigned to the dustbin of history. 

Yep...I know...I was a professional coach in another sport, and dealt with the younger generation. So I know exactly what older coaches have to adapt to. 

12 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Yes so presumably to be in healthcare in the first place they’ve had some level of qualification and training unless I’m mistaken?

If you’re wanting more staff you’re talking about getting people from outside the industry surely? As moving people around health care doesn’t solve the problem, that’s a Tory way of adding staff like the “new” hospitals.

You can’t just take joe blogs of the street, show him a 30 minute video and let him look after a patient 

No...but you can deploy these people if there was an overload in beds due to covid spikes

...I remember this lad, he had a lot of promise when I watched him play. From memory we released him. Sad to read he was killed this way. 

This is from when we signed him.

https://bernews.com/2017/02/bristol-city-football-club-signs-osagi-bascome/

18 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Already qualified clinicians… I’ll assume you knew that and were just being funny 

The new online tool, developed by Imperial College London, Imperial College Healthcare NHS Trust and Fundamental VR, allows these redeployed clinicians to gain the key knowledge they need for ventilating patients in just 30 minutes. The training consists of a short how-to video that teaches the essentials of operating ventilators.
 

Read it again...redeployed clinicians from other aspects of health care. 

4 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

How long do you think it takes to train nurses and medical staff?

”during the height of covid” there was probably social distancing, keeping patients isolated etc so not surprised if it appeared empty.

I agree with your sentiment but it’s not as easy as just recruit staff. We’ve got record levels of job vacancies in this country, so there’s as many if not more jobs than people looking for work. A pandemic at the same time as Brexit was a recipe for disaster. I know we didn’t see it coming, but we probably should have postponed some of the settlement changes

30 minutes apparently... https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/196933/online-tool-quickly-trains-doctors-nurses/

21 minutes ago, Edgy Red said:

Sorry for your loss Spudski and i agree entirely with your previous post.

We have become obsessed with trying to extend life via an array of medication but the answer is healthy eating and exercise etc. The life we live has to be about quality and not necessarily longevity.  My Dad developed Parkinsons and Dementia in his early 60's and (this is awful to say) the last 5 years of his life were prolonged for no great benefit.

I haven't got involved in the Covid debate on this forum but i believe the average age of death from it to date, is approximately 83. Now whilst all lives are precious we have to put that in context and realise that none of us are immortal. If i reach the age of 83 having lived a decent quality of life (without cancer, dementia, heart disease) then i'd be pretty content.

Anyway, i don't want to spark any kind of Covid confrontation because this forum has been overflowing with it recently. I am double jabbed, with my booster booked shortly but as Spudski intimated in his post, i do feel that we need to look at the bigger picture.

I totally agree with your sentiments. 

10 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Should we be building more hospitals and investing in a better healthcare infrastructure? Quite possibly yes.

Does that make it “bollocks” to say that the NHS has a finite capacity and, as things stand, a rapid rise in Covid admissions threatens to overstretch capacity both in terms of beds and availability of staff? And if allowed to completely unravel, threatens treatment for emergencies (of any kind) and other illnesses? Absolutely not.

Certainly our beds-per-citizen ratio is well down on other comparable Western countries, so there’s a strong argument to say we should be investing further (and I would agree).

But the NHS will always have a finite capacity. And it wouldn’t be remotely economically viable to ever have enough redundancy built into the system to cope with a huge spike in demand at any given moment. There will always be a threshold where society has to do it’s bit to stop it bursting at the seams. Rightly or wrongly, Omicron may well require us to do our bit.

We are as a population all getting older and living with illnesses, kept alive by medication.

Many have underlying health issues.

If we are to continue with this, then yes, we need to invest in more hospitals, more staff, that are paid well and not taken for granted and overworked.

One of the biggest investments is the pharmaceutical industry. An an industry that makes billions.

Keeping people alive that that kept other industries going...fast food, smoking, alcohol.

Then you get a virus come along and we are supposedly all screwed. How anyone can't see this is beyond me...it's totally about money.

If this was about health...the mandate would be clean eating, keeping fit and healthy, building our immune system up and looking after ourselves. 

But there is no money in that. The system makes you I'll, then trys to keep you alive with drugs

6 minutes ago, Moments of Pleasure said:

How's your dad?

He past away in the summer.

19 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Yes the greater problem is the finite number of qualified medical personal rather than "beds".

Each COVID patient on a ventilator needs a "team" of staff to monitor and treat them.

Once we start losing those staff in large numbers to COVID themselves then ..................

It would be better to specify the numbers of intensive care beds available (or not) as a gauge.

 

Exactly...but the general public didn't even question this. Most just presume it's beds and staff...anyone.

4 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Sadly those Nighting Gale hospitals were just for show and positive publicity. Even this disaster of a Government would have been well aware there were no staff to run them.

COVID patients need intensive care beds (on the whole) with specialist nursing care and ventilators.

General wards may well not seem full in this scenario.

So it's all bollox as I said.

Ask the general public and the way it's been reported and the majority will think the hospitals are bursting. It's simply not true.

Certain wards may get to capacity...and we have a shortage of specialised staff. We've had two years to rectify this.

How everything is reported to the public is complete and utter nonesence. But as I say...the majority haven't a clue as they rely on mainstream media for their info, and believe every the scientists and Government say...all for the greater good. It's a compete joke and incompetent.

Just now, Davefevs said:

That is logical Spud.

Why isn’t it happening?  We know the answer don’t we!

Same with many other services too.

Let’s make it look shit so that when we put a spin on selling it off, the public aren’t aghast at the proposals, and will believe arguments like “they” just waste lots of money too, it’s better in private hands.  There are probably parts of the NHS that could be more efficiently run privately, but the main healthcare part is just a ruse for an insurance backed health service with the likes of Aaron manually manipulates (no I spelt it right) providing the insurance “vehicle”.  

 

There is definitely talk that maybe the reason. 

There are too many hypocritical things in place that give me reason to think this is not about our health perse anymore. Too much of it doesn't make any sense.

The fact we are two years down the line, with no change, same old excuses...and yet people fall for this shit every day. 

6 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Exactly this.

Even if it was “just the flu” (it isn’t), if flu cases were at 90k and doubling every two days, we would STILL have a massive problem coming our way with both NHS bed capacity AND staffing levels. Likewise other key workers.

Ignoring Covid does absolutely nothing to help cancer or any other illnesses - as Whitty made abundantly clear yesterday.

 

Tell me if I've misunderstood this...but this is bollox. We built at the beginning of covid temporary covid hospitals throughout the country.

They all got dismantled and never used, as we were told there wasn't enough drs and nurses ' specialised' to deal with covid.

During the height of covid this year, my father was in Southmead with Brain cancer. The hospital and wards were empty when I visited. Empty... literally.

So it's not beds that are a problem...it's staff. 

Surely we should be building more hospitals and educating staff, and paying them a decent wage. That should be the foremost action, especially as it's been two bloody years now and not expected to stop.

Two friggin years...that we've just accepted to live with and not change.

6 hours ago, LondonBristolian said:

Indeed. It literally doesn’t make sense as a comment. I can only assume @spudskidoesn’t actually on know what ‘woke’ means and is really searching for a different word instead. He seems to be talking about people being over-sensitive whereas being ‘woke’ means someone is aware of and passionate about social injustice, not being sensitive to criticism.

Yes...I probably should have used another word, but I do find 'wokes', 'karens', overly/easily offended tend to go hand in hand. I do know what they mean.

And I'm fine with social injustices being corrected.

My point was more along the line of football being used as a platform and players being more aware and it prioritising their lives more.

For any manager...living in a more 'woke' society, where social media rules and takes over, it must be harder to keep the players focussed to the job in hand. They don't live for football anymore. They have to think about everything else Clubs/football connects itself with. 

It's harder for a manager/ coach these days imo, to get players fully focussed to the job in hand, and it actually to mean something.

NP has alluded to players not being focused/motivated. 

The world has changed quickly and the way people think and react is different. Anyone over 40 will think and react differently to a 20 yo. We got brought up differently. The older generation are constantly having to check themselves. Our views, what we can and can't say. How often do you hear the quote..' you can't say that anymore'. What we socially grew up with is ingrained. Being aware you can't ' be yourself' because someone will find fault or be offended. 

Managers of a certain age will be dealing with that. You've got to say something these days and you are put up before the media and judged.

And that will happen in football in dealing with a different generation of players. Constantly having to be aware. Must be tiring. 

Look at the way NP interviews...it's painful. Constantly checking in his mind before he speaks, knowing every word can and will be used against him in needed. You just be 'you' anymore. You have to conform. 

It's a crazy hypocritical world we live in. This forum reflects that.

Everything is analysed/ dissected about, club, players, social, political, what's right, what's wrong...but you only have to read the match day threads each week, or be at the stadium to hear/ see the reactions and what people say and expect. 

Everything said during the week goes out the window...it's laughable.

I often look at the bigger picture. Everything is so symbolic these days, just ticking boxes. 

Right time for work

Even at LJs age, youngish, it must be a nightmare man managing players in their 20s and younger.

The world has changed so fast in recent years. 

Playing Professional football was like being in the Army...you went to war every game.

And in going to war...you fought...and didn't think about offending anyone. It was full on. Take no prisoners, win, say whatever to get results.

Now ..it's just woke central.

I'm really not sure how you go about it these days.

Didn't LJ say you had to put your arm around some to motivate and tell them how great they were, to get a result. Then others responded to a kick up the arse. 

How do you motivate multi millionaires, set up for life, to give a damn about kicking a ball. 

5 hours ago, phantom said:

It's quite simple, this thread is clearly discussing Carlisle and didn't need to go into detail about covid again, we've numerous threads already within this forum where this is being discussed. 

With respect, it's clearly not 'about' Carlisle. It's about rules put in place due to covid. My part in the conversation was pointing out that mask wearing inside the ground was mandatory but not in hospitality. Pointing out the hypocrisy of it. I don't think those points have ever been mentioned elsewhere....

2 minutes ago, phantom said:

Yeah we have many threads already discussing this and yet another one closed yesterday due to people taking the thread off topic 

Serious question...is it mandatory to keep threads on topic? 

I've always viewed threads as conversations that meandor as in real life.

Not being funny...just interested.

6 minutes ago, Curr Avon said:

Yes, and with the infection rate doubling every two days, further restrictions seem inevitable. 

As long as not massive hospitalisations I don't see the point of more restrictions. It's said to be more contagious, but less viscous. Fingers crossed it stays that way. Maybe getting it and having few symptoms, and gaining antibodies will be more effective.

It's such bollox... government guidelines are bollox, as are the Club's statements above.

What's the point of making face coverings mandatory outside and inside the ground...but not mandatory inside  hospitality wtf

Seriously does anyone not question all these guidelines. 

7 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

Don’t disagree with most of the points you make, but most of your solutions are long term ones, though clearly should be things we’re aiming for.

What bothers me is what you seem to be proposing for the short term though.  The way I see it, there are two choices; either continue with some restrictions as we’re doing, or what it appears you’re suggesting.  

Let’s not sugar coat it, as it seems you’re basically saying the young, fit and healthy should be able to go out and live life as normal.  On the other hand, the elderly, those with fragile health, or just plain fat b******s should all lock themselves in their houses until either their healthy relatives eventually infect them after ‘living their lives freely’, or their ill health or old age finally overcomes them.

Have I got that one right, because that seems to be what you’re saying?

No...I'm saying be cautious if you are vulnerable.

As I said in my earlier post, all the restrictions in place, passport, pcr, mask do not prevent spreading. They are all easily manipulated. If you are going to restrict for health reasons, do it properly. It's so symbolic.

The fact is...there are many old in society, many with underlying health issues, many just unhealthy due to their poor life choices.

Vaccines just give a false sense of security. So do boosters.

You either do it correctly or not...not symbolically.

Are you happy for society to just keep on living like it is, with increasing vaccines, boosters, restrictions, years if it, ever increasing? Happy to accept that.

Yet people less happy to accept changing their lifestyle to help themselves? 

The fact is, we have a huge amount of an elderly population, living with underlying health issues, relying on medication to keep alive. If it wasn't for medication keeping them alive...they wouldn't be. Often just sat or led all day. No life. Just surviving. Sat watching TV and eating and drinking. It's no life. That's what many do. Sad as it is. Popping pills. 

Sounds harsh...but it's true. And it will only get worse in the future. Living longer, with health issues, kept alive by drugs. So vulnerable to any virus in the future. Where does it end? It's a downward spiral.

There is no short term fix for this...we need to think long term. 

23 minutes ago, Harry said:

Yep, it’s purely a moral stand on my part. As said, I could access AG if I wanted to and flash my pass at the steward if I wanted to. But I always said to myself, way back in the spring this year when I knew this was coming (I actually thought it was gonna be September initially), that I simply didn’t want to participate in such a process. I find the idea of showing a medical status to gain access to an event to be abhorrent to be honest - yes I could do it if I wanted to, but as I said, I’m thinking bigger picture here. I could go down on Saturday with my daughter and we could both get in. But what happens in March next year when I’ve got my pass but I now need to get my daughter jabbed in order for her to be able to come down with me. 
You’re right - my stance won’t change Boris de Pfizer Johnson’s mind, but I’m happy in the knowledge that I won’t be contributing to a future where my children have to be unnecessarily vaccinated in order to enjoy society. As I said in a much earlier post - my soul will be pure and my conscious will be clean. I can look my daughters in the eye and honestly say “I didn’t want this and I didn’t play any part”. 
 

I appreciate that many people won’t understand this and just say “it’s only a pass, mate”. Yep, I know. But I just can’t bring myself to participate in something that I feel will result in my children having to comply with in the future. If that particular future doesn’t happen then brilliant, I’m the fool, egg on my face, and will humbly say I was wrong and I was an idiot. But the way I’ve felt since early this year was this tiny tiptoe toward my kids being required to vaccinate, and I just don’t agree with that and never will. 

Totally agree with your sentiments, and exactly how I feel.

Especially when you look at all the other things being put in place in other countries.

What annoys me most, is I really don't think this is about health. If it were, the regulations wouldn't be so easy to manipulate.

What is the point of a vaccine pass...it means jack shit as to whether you have the virus or can spread it.

What's the point of a mask if you've had the same one in your pocket for the past year.

What's the point of showing a PCR test if you can lie as to whether it's negative or positive.

What's the point of wearing a mask in the supermarket when I don't need one in the pub.

Etc etc etc 

It's all symbolic.

8 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Spudski with the greatest respect, there is help available should you need it

Comparing 70 and 50 years ago a situation that's 2 years old, blaming ng everything and everyone for everything seems like someone who needs to take a step back, it appears you've loads going on from your other posts, please take some self care 

 

 

I'm perfectly fine mate...I've felt the same way for many years before covid and my recent situation.

Everyone goes through it...not first, not last.

Covid is here...fact.

A society of unhealthy, overweight, unfit people is here. 

Covid wouldn't be so desperate, if we were healthier as a nation.

I'd rather we looked long term, rather than short term.

They've said there will be further mutations and most likely other viruses.

So why not get healthier so that we can fight better.

Shutting down society isn't the answer.

Vaccine, jab, booster, wear mask, stay at home, work at home, don't travel, make travel harder, don't socialise, stay away from people, restrictions on who can see loved ones...within two years, people are willing to accept that as the new norm.  For it to be an everyday normal event.

Perhaps build more hospitals for an older society that lives longer with health issues. Perhaps pay nurses etc more. Perhaps educate children on exercise and how to cook and eat healthier.

I could go on.

Thanks for your concern...but I've always thought this.