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  1. The Bristol City v Cardiff City Match Day Thread 16

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    34 minutes ago, alexukhc said:

    Well I’m off to work seeing as I booked Friday off initially for the game and then went to change it back I wasn’t allowed, grr, my own fault, should’ve booked the whole weekend off! By the time I’m on my lunch break the game will be over, it’s pissing it down, the misses is time of the month and in my face, my work team is about as good as a chocolate tea pot, Wright is suspended and Tomlin’s still fat as ****, I hate Warnock, anyway I had to get that out! So 3 points to make my day please City, failing that 1 is ok but 3 would be the best

     

    Your not alone, we work one weekend in three so when the game changed to Friday offered to work the weekend so I could have a weekend owed, then they go and change it back. so I am stuck at work, can't even listen to it on the radio as I will be stuck on a reception.

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  2. The Bristol City v Cardiff City Match Day Thread 16

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    34 minutes ago, red angler said:

    You mean 2pm, lunchtime KO, :)

    Seriously you had to quote the entire bloody thing to do that, who else do you think people thought you were replying too ?

     

    Seriously annoying just reply to the thread don't quote the whole thing.

     

     

    1 hour ago, havanatopia said:

    There are more than 10 million sheep in Wales which accounts for over 80% of the Welsh agricultural economy. In New Zealand, while the number has fallen as the country has diversified into beef and swine, there are 30 million sheep. That is about 1 person for every 7 sheep and in Wales the proportion is 1 for every 3. The subject of sheep is relevant to the subject of football because in the relatively distant past a sheeps bladder was used in the manufacture of a football although it was usually procured from the pig family. I have no statistics on the best sheep bladder but if one assumes that the wool from the Welsh mountain sheep has historically been considered of inferior quality to the English sheep, according to Robert Trow-Smith in his book 'A History of British Livestock Husbandry' , the so too the internals. Sheep have often been used in a derogatory fashion, including on this forum, to talk about football fans from the other side of the bridge. Aside from it being a slight on a football fan, debatable for some, it is also for the sheep. And since I have written much about Cardiff, the city and Cardiff the club I was left with Cardiff the fan. May I request, therefore, that the large part of this opening to a thread is not considered my own personal slight on a Cardiff fan but merely to put forward or hypothesise on the subjects place in the hyperbole of the average English fan and how it all really came about.

    To set the tone, in the lightest possible way, I derived a commercial from Toyota which, at the time of airing on New Zealand television in 2006, caused an equal measure of hilarity and outrage. The diaspora of British ancestry in New Zealand may very well have pointed toward a Welsh and English divide in those polarised opinions but, alas, that we shall never know. Perhaps it is more subtle in the New World.

    The New Zealand Advertising Standards Authority determined the phrase 'sheep shagger' , as depicted in the TV commercial, was not viewed as offensive to the majority of New Zealanders. And so ended the issue. I have a friend who lives in Christchurch and he echoes my opinion that in New Zealand the authorities tend to debate an issue firstly and then, if they cannot decide, they usually allow it to be trialled and if nobody is hurt and if there is benefit to the local community then whatever it is one usually finds it being adopted. This pragmatic approach seems to have placed New Zealand in good stead down the years. I suspect this commercial would not even be aired let alone be debated, after the event, back in the motherland.

    In Prestatyn the phrase was the subject of a 2013 court case, after Anthony Taaffe, yes that was his surname, from Bolton and a guest at a holiday park in Gronant, called an off-duty policeman and security staff "a bunch of sheep shaggers". In Taaffe's defence he claimed that the phrase was "a term for people living in the countryside". He also admitted a second similar offence in which he called a police officer at the custody unit to which he had been taken, a "Welsh sheep shagger". Taaffe was fined £150 after he admitted racially aggravated disorderly behaviour. They clearly don't like it 'up and at em' in Wales. 

    There is not a lot of depth or need for such in understanding where this expression derived; in New Zealand, Like Wales, there are more sheep than people and Australia and England respectively have derogatively used the term because of it. Although the following conversation may have happened at some point in history and places a slightly different slant on the origin making out that the Welsh are perhaps rather cunning and the English, taking something at face value, deferentially fair. 

    Englishman "You are going to have your hand chopped off with an axe because you stole a sheep." 

    Welshman "I was in fact taking the sheep to f--k." 

    Englishman "Oh, thats good then our law endorses sheep shaggers. You will only have to lose a finger.

    In the Lleyn Peninsula and on the upland plateau between Abergwessin in Brecon and the Devils Bridge in Cardiganshire, to this day, live the purest breed of Welsh sheep. In almost all other areas of Wales the sheep is an amalgam of English and Welsh breeding. The Rhiw Sheep of these two areas is a small tan faced animal light in frame and fleece and virtually unfattable. No wonder Sheep from out yonder were bred in much greater numbers leaving these skinny mountain runts to engage in other obscure pursuits or provide meagre rations of sheep wool for tea towels and old rags. Wales will forever be known for sheep regardless of whether they are of a majority English blood line.

    The Yorkshireman in charge of the highest placed Welsh team in the football pyramid crosses the border this morning full of outward bravado and not a little confidence. The Welsh may or may not have the last say on this thread. Marvellous folk they are really entrusting their rise to an Englishman who has certainly so far been doing is usual sterling job. That Wales even have teams in an English league is a unique anomaly that much of the world would not understand. I don't really understand it either but thats for another day. Many say this match is a barometer of how much the club have progressed. I doubt it and, moreover, we should simply place faith in the management to do their homework, set up their team and motivate them with their usual knowhow. The end result will not be season defining but it will be very satisfying to witness broad smiles on our faithful flock come 5pm.

     

     

     

    Nice write up Hav. 

    Ooops:P

     

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  3. Bristol R*vers dustbin thread

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    3 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

    No. They are under the Bristol Sport umberella. 

     

    3 hours ago, richwwtk said:

    I believe they were Bristol Academy after dropping the rovers name and before joining Bristol Sport weren't they?

     

    Yes they then changed their name and came under the Bristol sport umbrella. 

     

    I think we need to be clear that Bristol sport are a company that offer marketing, legal advice, expertise in sports and commercial facilities. They as far as I know do not own any of the entities. So if any of the sports teams wanted they can go elsewhere. I think it makes perfect sense to outsource all this stuff myself, and until Bristol sport **** up I can't see why any of them would want to part ways.

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  4. Bristol R*vers dustbin thread

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    14 minutes ago, bert tann said:

     

    This article accompanied the photograph at Boston University.

    It should provide some entertainment for you all.

    I didn't know City stole our ladies team ?

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    http://www.aipsmedia.com/2016/10/04/19637/jordan-2016-bristol-rovers-wael-al-qadi-fifa-u17wwc-u-17-womens-world-cup-rayane-moussallem

     

     

     

    When it comes to the women's team, Al Qadi had a clarification to make about their local rivals, saying: "Bristol City didn't invest in women football, they stole our team. Their women's team was Rovers'. The former owner decided to stop funding the women's team. Our job is to recapture it."

     

     

     

    wow, no one owns them, they are a club in their own right are they not?

  8. Bristol R*vers dustbin thread

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    8 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

    In relation to Matty (they really cant let it go)........got to love ‘em........

     

     
    		kingswood Polak

    yesterday at 8:25pm     		Quote
    trymer said:
    astafjevs said:
    We've barely missed him at all, in my opinion.
     

    Come off it,the first few games after he left Rovers couldn't score at all ,even though the Chairman had said that he wouldn't be missed as the team had other players who could score.

    In my opinion Rovers would have got to the play offs last season if Taylor had stayed.

     

     

     
    And that’s precisely the reason SL didn’t just sanction it, he ordered it. Imagine how bad it would make him and that club look if we had attained championship football without spending the many many millions he has shelled out. 
    I’ve personally never hated them but that purchase showed them up in a very bad light & the welcome to Bristol campaign was just something that should embarrass them, however I feel they have no sense of shame 



    Read more:  http://gasheads.org/thread/6822/seasnake#ixzz4x7iRlNlj

    SL didn’t just sanction it, he ordered it

    he ordered it

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    he ordered it

    he ordered it

    he ordered it

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  10. Bristol R*vers dustbin thread

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    26 minutes ago, bert tann said:

     

    I understand your logic Rich and of coursed I admit I am biased. The examples you give of single club cities are good ones and, Coventry aside, a common factor is that those clubs tend to hold their support at very respectable levels even through periods of under achievement on the pitch.  

     If Rovers had a benefactor willing to risk a sizable amount of cash, albeit not on the Lansdown scale, then of course my viewpoint would be different. But we haven't and so we have to use some lateral thinking to get out of the situation we are in and try to preserve our football club. To ask (beg) Stephen for help would be ludicrous but i believe what I have proposed has some merit.

    The scenario you put forward of Rovers' elimination leading to greater opportunity for City is plausible on the face of it but in reality I think it is flawed for two reasons. Firstly, the vast majority of newcomers to the area or undecided football fans are clearly going to favour City anyway due to the standard of football and the facilities at Ashton Gate and I don't think this will change even with a fan owned club alive in North Bristol. Secondly if Rovers were to fail then I cannot see our hard core supporters switching sides to City but instead they would either follow a reconstituted club at a very low level or switch to another recreational activity. So the benefits to City of Rovers disappearing would, I believe, be minimal.

    But my point really was about Stephen Lansdown and his commitment to sport in Bristol and how a revitalized Rovers under a unique and dynamic fan ownership model could provide an extra dimension to his achievements on behalf of the community and to his his legacy.  If he could be convinced that the presence of a "new model" Bristol Rovers  would benefit sport in Bristol as a whole, do no harm to City  and possibly even spur you on to greater things then maybe there is hope ?        

      

     

    I would kind of support a small stadium somewhere like this, but I would be disappointed if it happened at the Mem. Maybe if SL bought the Mem and made it into community facilties and Rovers use the money to make a small 10,000 seater somewhere shared with a non league team maybe.

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  23. Bristol R*vers dustbin thread

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    48 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

     

    This works if the value of the assets - i e the ground - is greater than the debt - i e the money they have put into the club. If all reports are to be believed, about the rate the debt is increasing, then it won’t be long before the debt is greater than the assets. If the Wael family act quickly and sell then they could break even or make a small profit. If they delay too long then it’s a loss. The problem is finding a buyer. Selling Rovers as a football club for £10m plus would be difficult, so the nuclear option would be administration, the ground is sold and Rovers have to ground share with ??? 

     

    I still don't understand what people think they have spent money on.

  24. Bristol R*vers dustbin thread

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    5 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

    This is where the whole situation is a bit odd. The mortgage / loan, whatever, used to buy Rovers came from himself and / or the family. The interest payments seem to be going back to himself / the family via Dwane Sports, or possibly used to cover some of the  losses. (Perhaps someone else could give a more accurate summary). He hasn’t got the option of putting Rovers into administration to clear the debt as then it is the creditors who lose money and he / his family are the main creditors. But, as you say, with each interest payment it gets worse and he moves into negative equity  - i e the value of the asset is less than the total loan 

     

    But have they really put any money into the club ? They paid some of the previous stakeholders Higgs etc - but how much ? Higgs was about to lose everything as all lines of credit had been used up to the point they needed Wonga loans. They may have got the club for very little. The outlay has been, well contracts and they are obviously paid over the length of the contract e.g. Darrell over 5 years, all the new staff etc being paid monthly. We know they had their season tickets cash injected at the beginning  of the season, so how much money have they actually put in ? The land at the colony was cheap and probably worth more than they paid (maybe why it's been put into a separate company so they can keep it if the club goes under). But other than consultants, legal costs they cannot have spend much. The disabled "Stand" was paid for by supporters, I cannot see what they have actually bought/paid for/invested other than the Europa league ready sprinklers.

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