Lrrr

39 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

Plus agents fees. We would have paid Weimanns agent from our end to move him on early and Twines to negotiate the loan here.

You assume the negotiations weren’t just straight club to club for Twine?

59 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

And 99.9% probability that we paid a loan fee. 

You can frame it as he's just taking over Weimanns wages but to send Weimann there we agreed to buy TGH and therefore committed to pay him over 3 years. 

Unless you know what that loan fee is then it’s impossible to say whether we’re paying too much 

4 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Translated to "We've had to change our strategy once again because we need to prove that we are not incompetent and that we made the right choice and we'll continue to throw money at it just like we did with LJ" 

Again you say we're throwing money at it by loaning Twine without any evidence that this is the case  We've loaned out Weimann covering you'd imagine is a good amount of Twine's wage so we've swapped one we wouldn't have used much due to his clause for an extra year and got in one that Manning will use.

5 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

They have done temporary television camera gantry points before (they were in the Dolman during the redevelopment, think Gary Johnson was there)  but that comes at the expense of available seats.

The best spots would be middle tier, Lansdown. But they are the most profitable seats in the ground, and for what at the moment is likely to be 3 or 4 occasions a year, more coin in leaving the hospitality and premium seating to sell.

You'd probably have to dig out a good few rows at the front of the upper tier where the media are as you'd need the first row of fans behind to be able to see over the people standing on the new gantry. Then you have the issue of the current gantry built into the stand unless you tried converting that to media area with desks running the whole way along

Hate coverage where the camera is too close to the pitch and the main camera feels on top of it,  the amount of turning the camera has to do then being too close.

27 minutes ago, BCFCGav said:

Well it’s interesting now because the 343 worked well. Seemed to give us so many more passing options. But doesn’t utilise a 10 where I assumed he’d been signed to play.

Question is, did we change shape tonight because a) Knight was poorly, b) Manning thought it a good fit for this particular opposition or c) Manning sees it as a better option for us going forward. 
 

I think Twine starts Saturday. Tonight was wonderful but we’ve still scored two goals in our last 5. But the shape we use Saturday will be very interesting.

I've said for a while I think Manning will want to play a box midfield moving forwards, so my guess is Twine/Knight top of the box, 2 of TGH/Williams/James bottom of the box with Mehmeti coming on top of the box later when gaps open up. 

I think we should always ask if the game was in doubt, never know when one of those Watford rain storms could happen again 

27 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

We're unlikely to ever know the figure. 

However he's certainly not cost us 50p. Loans are expensive. 

If he were to lead us to the premier league, that's value for money. But let's be honest, we wrote this season off a long time ago and he's not going to be leading us to the premier league. So in that sense I don't really see the point in bringing in a short term costly signing. May aswell concentrate on the future. 

Not necessarily

19 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

throw money

Would love to know how much something has to be in your mind for it to be a case of us ‘throwing money’ at something rather than value for money 

How much did they pay him to say he liked the kit?

13 minutes ago, Feral Williams said:

Chair an option if it all goes south for QPR ?

I prefer a sofa

13 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

I like Piercy and would say that he doesn't deal in bullshite and can only print what he's heard.

But I still can't see anyone actually paying 5m for Twine.

Anyone reporting a loan yet ?

He's not saying its what anyone is paying though, he's saying its what Burnley's asking price was/is, from their perspective Twine is a Champ ready player who could be part of their squad should they drop down, why would they sell cheaply? (with Prem money in mind when I say cheap)

Just now, Lew-T said:

There must be something more to it, if true?

He’s currently on loan at Hull, why move here on loan?

Getting to work with Manning again would be a pull for us, could move back to the area if only until the end of the season at least. 

2 minutes ago, Loosey Boy said:

How does him moving to us on loan, benefit Burnley?

At a guess, they have so many options in that 3 behind the striker, reportedly interested in Benson/Zaroury from them as well they may think he might not get as much game time when everyone is in/fit?

If we want Knight in the CM slot rather than 10 then it opens an easy hole for him to get consistent game time. 

Do I want new owners? Unsure, do I want a chairman experienced with footballing history and decision making very sure

57 minutes ago, Jose said:

Troy Deeney is a clown. Some of the rubbish he spouts on podcasts is comical. 

And yet I pretty much believe everything he's said in that

7 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Truly remarkable he was ever appointed in the first place.

Since they lost Rob Edwards to Watford Vince has veered all over the place appointing loads of odd choices as head coach.

They’re going back to non league & it won’t be easy for them to return, nowhere near the fan base of Yeovil.

You could at least understand Burchnall, but yeah after that its been a mess

3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Yes, thanks..was his passing known in real time though? Clearly highly serious.

I suspect a joint decision between Safety Officer and ref, weighing up safety, Proportionality etc.

I'm not sure if it was in ground or en route to hospital or in hospital but its the point that there's a level of seriousness about the situation regardless of EFL guidance. What happens if they continue the game while tending to the crowd incident and something like a Lockyer situation happens on the pitch? I get each club has a doctor whose usually pitch side as well its better to avoid the risk. 

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

We tended to “press” (block more than press) with Knight and Mehmeti either side.  It wasn’t really a 541.  They played with Conway not either side of Williams hd TGH.

I'll be interested to watch parts back, being sat where I was the depth was hard to tell at times but often looked more like Conway being left alone and we wanted to contain rather then go after them.

6 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I believe Leyton Orient v Lincoln was abandoned in the Autumn?

It was and that fan passed away which is why I believe it comes down to how serious the paramedics say the health issue is, regardless of EFL guidance. 

2 hours ago, Jerseybean said:

For me Anis and Sam we’re not in the game enough and when they had the ball they were poor. Tommy Conway wasn’t far behind and just didn’t influence the game. Again I think this game highlighted our lack of creativity and goals, thats no goals in our last three league games.

I felt sorry for Bell in a way, first half out of possession being required to drop in as a RWB in a back 5 but then as soon as we get possession being expected to be near their defensive line, lots of transition work for him and hard being in position. You needed someone like the right footed equivalent of Pring, still capable of attack but has the defensive quality needed being asked to be in the defensive line. Sam was probably being asked to do it because of his physical capacity to be able to do so. 

Conway for me doesn't suit the system and role he's being asked to play, he's at his best when he can run in behind, run channels, use his movement in the box off cut backs etc but nothing in possession for us today helped him, all he had was back to play barely even a good pass into feet, more often in the air when he's got a CB behind him whose half a foot taller then him. Even out of possession, being asked to press their entire defensive line because we were 541 where as other games he's had Knight up with him properly in shape and worked much better. 

Similarly I don't think the system suits Bell at all, his strength is ball at feet in some space being able to drive at players, linking up off quick movement, being slid in behind as well yet in this system he's being asked to come to Tanner to receive facing our defenders tight to the touchline without much space to operate in. Bell isn't a player whose going to wriggle his way out of tight spaces like that. 

They were poor yes, either we need to accept they're the players we want and work out a way to incorporate their strengths, that Preston back line would have hated a whole game of channel balls with Tommy and Sam chasing them down, they put so many out for throw ins in their own third rather than be brave on the ball. OR we're going to end up selling Tommy and Sam because they don't fit the system that Manning will play. 

It’s probably dealt with on a case by case basis, how much attention from the paramedics in attendance do they need etc. I was at a game earlier this season where there was a medical emergency at the start of half time, the second half was delayed by a good 25 minutes, todays game seemed to have a similar time after players taken off the pitch before announcement of the abandonment