Lrrr

Just now, Davefevs said:

Of all the on-the-grass coaches we chose one that plays a fundamentally different style to the “job spec”?

You’re gonna have to try harder to explain the logic of that?

14 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

So you’re saying they outwardly specified they wanted to recruit an on-the-grass coach to play the style I suggested above that I can’t be bothered to type again (as I find it a bit insulting ), and ended up with an on-the-grass coach to play completely different?

The only common ground was the on-the-grass bit?

This was a LM that said he wasn’t fixed in his thinking too!

This is a triangle of “porkies” between hierarchy / Head-coach / fans!!!

He was primarily recruited because he's an on the grass coach.

The play style bit also is obviously a big factor but we could have recruited an on the grass coach with different styles of play but we chose Manning with his style. 

4 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Clearly a better coach than player.

Absolutely embarrassing that we ever signed him, peak waste of money era signing under LJ.

He did exactly what we was signed for, provide an extra keeper for training and then coach in the academy

2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Was he?

I thought JL and Tins specified - front foot, high press, forward thinking, attacking football

Which of those match?

He is a - modern on-the-grass coach though

I’m not being facetious either.  He did not match the description of the style of football they wanted.  It’s buzzword bollox.  That’s not to say he is or isn’t a good head-coach.

Even LM himself uses some of those buzzwords, e.g. high-press, but he’s not being 100% truthful to them.

You don't recruit a head coach as fixed in their way as Manning if you're not comfortable with them bringing their style of football with them as well, regardless of whether it being the on the grass style coach that is the main point you want.

3 hours ago, Loco Rojo said:

New season, normal service resumed. Yawn fest here we go.

I miss F1 of old.

What just over half a second separating 1st and 9th? Max didn't even have the quickest lap in the 3 sessions, his lead in Q3 would have been the slipstream off Piastri he got starting his lap.

I will say I'll be very disappointed if Ferrari don't have this blasting out, horny Horner it seems

17 hours ago, SydneyCity said:

I’m not saying that’s wrong as such, but it does support the narrative of Manning forcing the squad to bend to his style, rather than him bending to the players he has.

Why would he bend his style? He was brought in for his style 

Thought Tommy's answer to the contract question was absolutely fine, personally I don't think he will sign but he's not going to commit one way or another to a question mid season so he batted it away comfortably.

47 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Watching the clip of them passing it hard along the strip, are they deliberately trying to make the reciever miscontrol the ball? If so, how is this beneficial?

Its a game by the looks of it, if the player miscontrols it and the ball goes out of the lines they’re eliminated, the risk for the passer is too much power over control and you risk passing outside the lines and you’re eliminated. So the game focuses on the how quickly/accurately can you pass the ball as well as your ability to receive heavy passes under pressure 

8 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Looks like we've been strengthening links with Weston of late which I'm pleased with. Wish we'd have sent Yeboah down here. 

Why would we send someone to Weston over Bath if Bath want them? Jerry Gill has been very good for a lot of our younger players and he's in a promotion push rather than a season thats fizzling out. 

13 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

Oh well… I guess, like Ayling, he can’t have been doing it in training.  

He certainly wasn't doing it in U21's games when he was given the chance to impress

Frankly he needed those seasons in L1 to improve himself, only thing we could have said was for us to loan him out instead of sell. 

25 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

With our season fizzing out why not keep him here and give him minutes? 

He can always return from the loan at Bath, for the here and now he gets competitive first team minutes. 

1 hour ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said:

He is struggling to get minutes in our under 21s at the moment, can't see him getting many starts at Bath...

Think he will after scoring in his first start 

27 minutes ago, David Brent said:

Tommy hadn’t made his debut by that point.

It’s been suggested by the club previously that Yeboah’s development would be better suited by him staying with the first team squad. I appreciate that can change.

He’ll also improve by getting minutes for the first team. It will give Liam some brownie points too. 

He won’t get minutes for our first team in any game where we don’t use wingers so you kill the amount of minutes he may get instantly anyway 

Objectively it’s a great move for Yeboah, playing at a standard where he has a real chance to have a big effect on games, he’s at Bath at a younger age then Conway was for reference. 

1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Indeed, but for Manning insert the name Pearson and you have a similar answer.

More time is fine but we need to show a better baseline to underpin standards. We don't seem to have that atm.

Pearson wasn't sacked for performance though regardless what was said in public

3 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Rooney at Birmingham, Edwards at Millwall, Ian  Beale at Sunderland, Moore at Huddersfield?

Nor saying Mannng out yet nor do I want us to become some hire-fire club but it's fair to ask the question.

All of who were either fighting for staying away from the drop zone or in Sunderland's case trying to cling to the play offs, at this point play offs aren't an option for us and its very difficult to think we'll go down so what's the real benefit of sacking him atm rather than giving him some more time?

8 hours ago, Robbored said:

Hopefully Jack Leach will be fit for this summers tests. If he’s available then surely he’d be first choice? If not then Bashir.

Obviously two or three spinners are essential overseas + Root but over here only one usually plays - seam and pace are generally more effective in English conditions. One exception to that would have been the late, great Shane Warne of course.

Not sure Bashir has the control for test matches on English pitches yet, best thing for him probably would be getting him to play every game for Somerset and develop if they're serious about him as a serious test player for the next decade. At home Dawson would probably be available who'd offer more in the here and now. 

And to think we found out spinner from tiktok 

Great effort from Ross to have got himself back 2 months ahead of schedule, how many players would have taken it easy at the rate their club were saying was advisable.

Equally, they've taken some knocks on here and elsewhere from time to time but huge credit to our physio/medical department those who are here now and those who departed to even help Ross save his career

15 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I see @Mr Popodopolous and @Tim Monaghan have posted more on the Kieffer Moore “fit”.

Imho we play very different to Ipswich.  Manning has said he’s only playing one forward.  So, had we signed Moore, it would be instead of Tommy.

So, why question is - what is the tactical fit to an Liam Manning Bristol City for Kieffer Moore?

I’m asking mainly because I’m not sure.

Well on the basis Conway doesn't fit Manning's style of play one who does would have been a benefit whether that have been Moore or someone else 

7 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I’ll set up the crowdfunder!!!!

@Lrrr how much is Statsbomb 360 or SkillCorner?

Tens of thousands of pounds.

Dave - you’ll have to trust your eyes for now!

You’re in full on data scientist levels there, with the tens upon tens of thousands quids worth of data you then needs someone capable of creating voronoi polygons and evaluating special control then building models to evaluate it 

3 minutes ago, David Brent said:

Nigel gave opportunities to Scott and Conway. They weren’t inherited readymade. 

Some players you missed. Holden’s last staring 11 included Mariappa, Moore and Lansbury.

So if anything Nigel inherited even more options, whether or not he chose to use them, Manning's had to have benches full of academy players too at the start. Conway/Scott discussed above, they were in the building and training regularly with the first team whether they'd made their debuts or not, that was down to Holden choosing not to play them. 

2 minutes ago, t_b said:

I think you’re taking some big leaps with NP’s squad. 

Pring, Conway & Scott hadn’t even played before NP took over. Vyner would’ve been departing if we brought in any additional players summer 2022.

You can have good academy players but to be forced into gambling on them as part of your core squad… can’t really call them strength until they’ve proven themselves. 
 

Scott was more then ready for Championship and showed almost straight away, he wasn't the key player he became sure, but he was definitely a squad player. Conway came in and had an almost immediate impact, again not as a starter or key player but remember him also having a couple of disallowed goals and positive performances. 

6 minutes ago, glynriley said:

Mawson, Baker, Dasilva and Weimann were all injured for the majority of the season Pearson took over

So you can take all of the players out who were injured when Manning arrived as well then in that case, the statement was based on squad when the manager took over, Mawson, Baker, Dasilva & Weimann were all squad members when Pearson took over, he inherited them as players, the original post claimed Manning has inherited better players. 

3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

@Lrrr the big issue for the squad Nige took over was it was a “cosy club” on pre-covid contracts.  Ability levels wasn’t really relevant!

I'd say it was as that's the way the statement was phrased, it wasn't 'the best state the club has been in' or anything it was purely a statement claiming Manning has inherited the best squad of players, which I don't think it is, the squad as a collective was better when Nigel arrived, now that obviously has the factor as you mention that the squad would have cost more and a discussion of the best value for money squad could be a different answer, but I responded to the statement that was given.