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That's rubbish, as they are called Wolverhampton Wanderers.

I'm with tom. Thats rubbish. Bloody cheating Aizoon

It's a cheeky one

VOWELS=WOLVES

As it was I misread his post thought is said didn't contain any vowels. I can't believe I got done by a anagram!

There is one team in England whose name is composed entirely of vowels.

Go on. Apart from qpr (not the full name) I can't think of one. Is it non league.

Only one team has only letters that are not enclosed like e o g b q etc.

It wasn't directed at you TRL. More at idiots like Monkeh

The blame can't solely be placed at Baldocks door. You're right those that sanctioned it are at question too, especially when Pitman was literally given away.

Me personally I feel underwhelmed by the money paid for him. Don't think we have had value for more and his lack of composure doesn't represent value for money. I've had my say on this many times and always like to think I offer constructive debate. I wouldn't start calling you an idiot just because you don't share the same view like some clowns on here do

No worries.... that said I am a idiot and I have no plans to change

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May I remind you Noggers that you are not allowed an opinion on Baldock or any other player unless it is 100% positive.

I think you sum it up well when saying he could have easily doubled his tally even without scoring a lot of the easy ones. That's not making him a scapegoat, it's stating the bleeding obvious. It's almost as if SB can't possibly be challenged because he is captain or works hard.

I think it says it all when he himself has acknowledged he has to do better. So next time he misses a sitter are we as fans not allowed an opinion? Shall we all just brush it all under the carpet and pretend the catalogue of misses actually never happened?

I can handle him missing chances but it's the complete and utter lack of composure and lack of ideas that is startling. It's almost as if it's a hit and hope every time. No thought process or clever execution behind a lot of the poor misses. I think every fan is entitled to feel underwhelmed that a striker we signed on bloody good money and was expected to be championship quality isn't proving worth the outlay. Even more frustrating when a proven striker in Pitman was literally forced out the door for pittance.

Not really. I just don't see the point at blaming the bloke for being a crap 1 one on 1 finisher because we bought him for loads from a premiership team. What he earns, where he comes from and how much we bought him for are all completely irrelevant to him missing one on ones. All that is the choice of the people that bought him. He hasn't scored that many or been prolific before we bought him, so for a 22 year old (when we bought him) he was very much a gamble.

He is rubbish at one on ones, but he has scored 14. His goal scoring ratio is improving. Undoubtedly his one on one finishing will improve as hr improves his game.

He is getting slaughtered by many as the sole reason we are shite.

Sorry it is wrong and many of the reasons given (cos he cosy too much) is wrong.

Now I have started sounding like Ian Holloway I'll stop

We're getting off topic, Sam Baldock himself agrees with what I've been saying so that's good enough for me,

Time to leave this thread now as we're not going to agree but for once it's been good to debate without it resorting to to much abuse!!

Without doubt. Easy to debate without abuse.

But like all debates everyone thinks they are right

If Baldock does improve his finishing. I think we can both agree, he won't be here long.

Fair play you must have a decent boss if all they want is commitment and effort - mine demands that but if I did not produce results I would get flack and rightly so.

Aye nearly 1 in 2 ratio this season is awful. Lets find the p45. If you expect a striker to be bettering that god help the rooney's van persies of this world. It seems only Ronaldo and Messi are the ones hitting high enough standards to keep their jobs!

Results may not be based your successes or failures. If baldock hit 50 but we got relegated, would he get sacked because of the failure of the team? If we somehow got promoted this season, but baldock didn't score again, but help set up many goals for others, would he get sacked for not scoring goals, yet as a team we were successful?

You have to avoid Stockhausen's poetic licence!

It isn't just him to be fair it gets banded sbout all over the place and it is just bollocks! Lazy journalism.

But for me he nmanaged 10 at a higher level in a crap team after banging in 10-14 in previous seasons at l1 that I would say is improvement. He now has 14 before the end of January. If he continues he will smash his previoud best. It all adds to continuous improvement.... which is all you can ask for.

I'm just going by

Dropping down a division to join us, Already on a fair bit at West Ham, Beating Charlton and Palace to him who had bids accepted

I would be surprised if he was on less than 15k p/w last year and Less than 10k this year

But my point still stands, He asked for the wages, He should be able to play to those standards

You have no idea what he is on then? Now he has dropped a division and taken a hit on wages that must mean he doesn't have to be as prolific going by that sort of logic, yet he has already scored more goals than last season!

Sorry what he earns has no correlation to what he scores. If he were in a team of nickey hunt's and him, how many do you think he would score?

If he was prolific before he joined us people may have a point. He wasn't.

All you can ever ask for from someone who wants the wages is the commitment and effort. Everything after that is a bonus, due the nature of being in a team you rely on others. No one can call into question Baldocks effort or commitment.

But for 20k a week I'm sure you can find a striker in the prem on that, Like Weiman at Villa, Becchio at Norwich. Then Championship you have Ings, Vokes, That new Forest striker

I'm saying for the wages he's on he should show more quality with the ball in front of goal

What are his wages? From snippets from managers and board members many took a near on 50% hit after relegation.

I have no clue what he is on as I have no access to his payslip, bank account or works accounts.

How? He's the joint 7th top scorer in the league, he's only 24.

If we had a good defence we'd fly up the league, he scored 2 yesterday, yes he missed a few but it wasn't his fault we conceded 2.

Ui had a look at his goals. There is only 1 game (Coventry) where his goals haven't got us a point or 3. So we can argue that his misses have cost us pounts. But the goals he has scored have helped keep us in contention for a chance of getting out of relegation.

He has set up a fair few as well. I haven't looked at those stats. But goals scored he has got us about 16 points

To think we sacrificed 1.5 million for him.

Clearly that was a very poor piece of business.

Maybe. Hardly the players fault though is it?!

You surley have seen the same games as me, the ones where SB has missed very easy chances he should have scored??

So do other teams top marksman. You reckon they get the bile and even booing Baldock has got?

It's just funny isn't it. People jump on the "unclinical" bandwagon, and he's been one of the most clinical in the league.

But hey, let's not let facts get in the way, they don't mean anything.

Indeed. He misses chances, so do many others. But only Bristol City would he be moaned at and called shit. I wonder what Peterborough and Bradford fans were saying abouttheirtop goal scorers? Wells shit drop him assongalonga spl shit drop him.

Oh, and for what it's worth, according to the stats Baldock has scored 20.6% of his shots this season.

In comparison to the top premier league scorers, Aguero is a wee bit more clinical at 28%, whereas Suarez is 25.9%. Not exactly ground breaking is it. Looks like they both have plenty of efforts that don't result in goals too, the difference is their teams are challenging for the premier league whilst we are languishing at the bottom of division 3. No one would be talking about this if we had conceded fewer and got more points on the board.

Not interested in the Premier League?

How about our own league then. Let's look at those who have scored more than Baldock:

Ryan Lowe - 42%

Britt Assombalonga - 23.2%

Sam Baldock - 20.6%

Leon Clarke - 20%

Nakhi Wells - 19.2%

Callum Wilson - 18.9%

Patrick Bamford - 16.9%

Clayton Donaldson - 16.8%

What does this tell us? Lowe (bit of a freak stat, that one) is well ahead of the trend in terms of clinical finishing, but of the others, only Assombalonga has been more clinical than Baldock this season.

Funnily enough, Patrick Bamford and Nakhi Wells - both mentioned in this thread as prolific strikers and both transferred to a higher league - have been less prolific than Baldock this season.

Oh bugger don't go all factual on peoples asses. That will result in name calling.

Now this 22 one on ones missed. Still waiting for proof from those saying it is so.

The same guy who said something along the lines of Walcott deserving to have his legs broken for a bit of banter with the crowd.

Enough said methinks.

Ah right. Says a lot about someones mentality.

Are you 5 years old? I mean really? My "bum chum"?

Get a life mate.

Let's hope we can get some more average players on board to get ~20 league goals

Corleone

Straight out of the playground. Bumchum giggle giggle snigger snigger. Lets have a fag around the back of the bike sheds.

I do wonder the mentality of some people. Unless of course I am doung him a disservice and he is between 11 and 15 years of age.

Don't you know, we're the mighty Bristol City. Our strikers should score 75 a season and we should at least be competing for the Europa League!

Funny, someone was chanting 'you have no history' to the MK Dons fans and someone shouted back 'so what, we have 120 years of **** all'

Made I larf!

:laugh: so very true

I keep getting the same at work. Swindon fans saying we are shite, me giving some back. Then the killer. Ever been in the premiership ever won a major domestic cup?

And as much as they are scummy pig towners, there is no real getting away from that fact. I just have to be happy knowing I don't have to live in their town!

If I could be bothered I would go back through player!! However I can't so for that reason I will stop quoting that number until it's proven.

Righto you can't be bothered. But are willing to let the player take a load of shit for it. To such an extent that people are phoning up radio stations stating it as fact. So maybe you should list them maybe the flack can then be justified?!

It was on here the other day it was 20 missed 1 on 1s.

No one seems to be backing it up thougj. Yet plenty are referring to it. Even on radio.

It seems to have become a truth to hang baldock with.

Baldock has had 38 shots on goal scoring 15 meaning 23 shots haven't gone in are you telling me 22 if those are 1 on 1?

Dunno that is the question I am asking. People seem to be saying he has missed 22 one on ones. I want to know where they are getting these facts from. 38 shots is completely different to 22 one on ones

No idea where 22 has come from, but prior to today Baldock has had

12 goals

36 shots on target.

I'd be suprised if 22 was accurate

That is good to know as so many people are stating as fact Baldock has missed 22 one on ones

There is absolutely no way that SB has had 22 one on ones.

That is what I am thinking. But so many seem to take it as fact. I want to see the proof.

Has he scored any goals he had no right to? (Like JET has for example)

Not for me, so with the 22 missed 1 on 1s I believe he should be on more and City should be higher in the league.

Come on list them you are mentioning this 22 one on ones he has missed. You could be right, I'd like to see this fact people keep mentioning.