TRL

Have they equalised yet?

Of course not, we haven't got 2 goals in front yet

And he is going to score today.

Mystic smeg

Oldham winning again, at Bradfords dispense.

What?

Chelsea ?

They play in the premier league, surprised you haven't noticed

Dunno, TRL, quite a big one on Player by the sounds of it.

:laugh:

 

never mind, good result again

Wade Elliot booked.

what time delay are you listening to this game in?

we score 3, who would have thunk it?

Inspired injury nice one Pack

yeah 20-50mb as advertised,  well it is all lies, I'm lucky if i get 5

Gas conceded a 2nd as well

At last, after his goal scoring form in preseason.

 

Good job Oaf, keep em coming

True. There's your Christmas present to me sorted.

:laugh:

Crowd seem to have gone a little quiet, shame thy were making some good noise earlier.

 

Come on, nail one just before half time

How did I not know this? Although, maybe due to the fact I'll rarely listen to a home game and that I don't have a MW radio might have something to do with it.

Well it is the reason I kept a couple of old radios, always good to keep some old gear, new kit is all well and good, until they stop supplying certain basics with it.

 

As the home game has always been on MW  I would have thought  its good to have a MW enabled radio so you are covered.

No radio commentary today then?

 

Why are the broadcasting the gas heads, no one even supports or cares about them anymore.

Eh?, it is on MW, just like every week we are at home, that has been like that for years!

My point was that apostasy as a crime and (it's punishment) is not unique to Islam. I assume that the point you and a couple of other people are trying to make is that there is something uniquely bad or violent about Islam. My argument is that there's no real difference between the three Abrahamic religions. the problems you see are down to politics and power mongering. 

 

Out of interest would you say that the troubles in Ireland were caused by religion?

And my point is, I am fully aware of that, but how many religions practice it now in 2014?  IMO all religions are as bad as one another and prey on those needing guidance.  But some seem to be so archaic they is no place for them in this day and age.  At the end of the day, I think anyone who believes in religion to be slightly barmy, but to choose one that won't let you leave, seems tome just a little daft.

 

Irish problems, I'm not sure it started through religion, more a dislike of governance and rule by another country, it may well have had religion thrust to the front as years passed by, to give some half arsed justification for the violence. 

Its also an absolute monarchy based on vast wealth.

 

Thats not Sharia Law thats a Monarch abusing power.   http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/saudi-arabia-uses-capital-offence-apostasy-stifle-debate-2012-12-24

Where does the apostasy law come from davros?  it comes from somewhere to invoke!

 

Blame everything but the religion if you want, if it wasn't in the Religion to hide behind, there wouldn't be a problem would there?

Looking through your list TRL, it would appear that whilst most of these countries do indeed have a possible death penalty for the crimes you list, people are very rarely executed for these crimes and it tends to be a theoretical punishment that is discouraged by law. I would be interested if you had examples of where people were actually executed rather than just threatened with it though.

 

On the other hand, shouldn't we be getting more concerned with China that executes several times more people every single year than the rest of the world put together!

I think there are plenty of people and countries going on about China, and have done so for years.  So it is not a unknown, but as I said you have to do something to be executed there, not be something!  Big big difference

 

Take a look at the section death Penalty here  http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/middle-east-north-africa/saudi-arabia

 

It may not be fully reported,but it is happening,I may take a look for Iran Pakistan etc a bit later

SX225 -

 

All he is doing is trying to explain that the atrocities being carried out are not typical of Muslim culture, which they are patently not. Nowhere does he try and defend that behaviour, in fact he actively condemns it, yet you refuse to see this and instead carry on with your hate filled tirades against him. In my minds eye I see you red in the face with rage spraying spittle all over the screen as you type. You claim to have the majority of the forum behind you, but in reality you are making yourself look a fool.

 

Davros is obviously a reasonable person who happens to be a Muslim. You are upset that an apparently intelligent person can believe in God, that is the case for intelligent people the world over, though not including myself, I wouldn't dare call myself intelligent nor believe in any God (Bob Taylor excepted).

 

I seem to remember you defending the actions of football hooligans in past posts, is that the reasonable behaviour of an intelligent person?

Trouble is, it is a typical Muslim Culture

 

Note the Countries below, these have been the very centre of the Islamic world, as it has spread out across the world, other countries have become Islamic, but not taken on such Brutal laws.  Islam may have a gentle side, but at its core is a hate for those turning their back on Islam, a hate of Homosexuals.  yes people hate Homosexuals, religions have a bad outlook on homosexuals, but none, other than Islamic countries push out death by law!  That is all I need to know about Islam, I care not about the gentle undertones that westernised Muslims try to bring to the table, hell they may not even agree, as Davros suggests with what these countries do, but wake up, this is Islam, This is at the centre of Islam that this is happening, not the nice westernised Islam that Davros seems to be suggesting is the real Islam.  

 

If Davros and other Westernised Muslims felt so detached from the real Islam, then they would not be going to places like mecca, and would be splitting from true Islam and its brutal culture in it's traditional home.  Or marching on mass to mecca, and protesting for change. But i would have thought this may have a bad outcome if this happened.

 

Anyway here is the list of countries, I went searching for countries that kill for crimes that hurt no one.....  i couldn't find any, other than crackpot north Korea and China, which has death for things like embezzlement, Fraud and Arson.

 

Afghanistan Death for Homosexuality Apostasy

Bangladesh Death penalty for Sodomy

Brunei  I won't mention as he has just changed the laws, but you know what has happened

Iran Death penalty for Homosexuality and Apostasy

Pakistan Death for Blasphemy

Qatar Death for Apostasy

Saudi Arabia Death for Apostasy Homosexuality, Atheism, Adultery

Yemen Death for Apostasy, Adultery, Homosexuality

its ok to use Africa and its many problems to bash Muslims but when we talk in Christian terms Africa and its issues disappear ? I raise you death penalty in Christian countries for homosexuals, and equally other crazy laws.

Take a look at this

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_country

 

Take a look at what you can be put to death for, then come back an try and defend it.  I dare you

Apostasy and heresy are very much part of Christianity and the penalty is death - usually by stoning. Most of these barbaric laws and penalties come from the Old Testament you know, the OT is part of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. I'm not sure exactly how many people the Inquisition burned for heresy and apostasy but it's substantial and of course the Reformation and Counter Reformation burned a fair few more here. If you're interested have a look at the history of the Cathars in France - Christianity in its full glory. Of course Christians tend to ignore the laws of the OT these days, there's no reason to believe Islam won;t do the same.

I know this. Along with spit roasting babies on the crusades etc etc. Difference is, it stopped. In many Muslim countries just by leaving your religion or joining another you are on a death sentence. I am purposely leaving out fundamentalist killings now, just the bare bones of a unforgiving religion. If anyone can point to another religion that does this in 2014 I'd be interested to know.

That's a different argument though. I'm an atheist but I don't really see that Islam is any worse than the other Abrahamic religions, they all share a common root after all. The Old Testament is full of terrible genocidal and misogynist violence and plenty of modern day Christians interpret the Bible to suit their political agenda. 

I did say the sooner it is gone, along with all other religions, they are all as bad as one another,, interpreted, rewritten and altered for the population and politics of the day.  Yet people bizarrely still follow them, an interpret them, into a meaning that they think is right!  I would just not make sense in any other walk of life, to go through life believing rewritten twaddle!

 

I think it is worse though, not many other religions you can be killed for leaving,or joining another religion... unless of course that is to be interpreted differently as well